Rate before and after leanmaxxing + invisalign, 21 y/o 6'1"

[Slothmaxxer]

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Attracting incels vs women

High effort gotta give it to you, though I mog the morph.

 

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He's capped at high mtn for some unfixable failos he has

Like what?

 

[pinterest]

High effort gotta give it to you, though I mog the morph.

Bro you’re more down grown than the morph

 

[Slothmaxxer]

Bro you’re more down grown than the morph

I haven't measured it but my gonial angle looks ideal, gonions are below the mouth line too so how am I downgrown? If anything my jaw frontal angle is probably a tad too obtuse.

 

[Slothmaxxer]

Like what?

Midface ratio is my biggest flaw

 

[acertyxx_]

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flat face but crazy display of the power of leaning. bravo sigma

 

[acertyxx_]

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what did the invisalign even do? What did you need it for?

 

[Slothmaxxer]

what did the invisalign even do? What did you need it for?

Corrected deep crossbite and a couple of crooked teeth.

 

[tix]

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i think hmtn because low appeal

 

[acertyxx_]

Corrected deep crossbite and a couple of crooked teeth.

very beautiful my smegma

 

[Slothmaxxer]

Peak leanness (~10-12% bf) in motion doing cringe impression (hairstyle min has been corrected now)

 

[Slothmaxxer]

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Bump

 

[Slothmaxxer]

Bump

Bumpedy Bump Bump

 

[monecel]

Low HTN

 

[Slothmaxxer]

Newly discovered old pic and some fresh ones

 

[zemult]

I'm pretty sure that I'm capped by too high of a midface ratio (~1.15) and other issues downstream from that, so I would need a lefort 1 or something to ascend any further, not planning to hardmaxx tho.

The "midface ratio" doesn't tell the full story as it takes into account multiple factors, and it's not 1.15 it's more like 1.13.

Your midface doesn't look significantly compact enough to be a falio (your skull is also meso) - the problem is purely with your eye spacing.

Here's a shitty morph so you can hopefully see what I mean:

All I did here was make your eyes closer. Loses a lot of the weird uncanny look.

Your problem is your ESR. Unfortunately unfixable without extreme procedures like OBO.

 

[Slothmaxxer]

The "midface ratio" doesn't tell the full story as it takes into account multiple factors, and it's not 1.15 it's more like 1.13.

Your midface doesn't look significantly compact enough to be a falio (your skull is also meso) - the problem is purely with your eye spacing.

Here's a shitty morph so you can hopefully see what I mean:

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All I did here was make your eyes closer. Loses a lot of the weird uncanny look.

Your problem is your ESR. Unfortunately unfixable without extreme procedures like OBO.

High effort response bhai, the morph is definitely an improvement though I don't entirely agree.

My esr is like 0.48, which is slightly outside of the ideal range for White men of 0.443-0.477 according to Creating Attractive, and 0.445-0.475 according to FaceIQ. I would certainly benefit from a lower esr (like 0.45-0.46) since currently mine sits in the White female ideal range, though other guys like Orlando Bloom with a similar esr don't have such squished midface ratios (he's like 1.04 iirc). My facial thirds from top to bottom are 33/30/37, with the ideal masculine distribution being 31/33/36, so my nose is definitely too short, and that doesn't even take into consideration that my philtrum is very short too. At least my unideal high chin to philtrum ratio is very masculinizing and might balance out some of the feminizing effect of having such a short midface. My eyes are simply too big, since they are like 0.93 eyes apart iirc, while the esr is too high. What would you rate me in my most recent pics?

 

[zemult]

High effort response bhai, the morph is definitely an improvement though I don't entirely agree.

My esr is like 0.48, which is slightly outside of the ideal range for White men of 0.443-0.477 according to Creating Attractive, and 0.445-0.475 according to FaceIQ. I would certainly benefit from a lower esr (like 0.45-0.46) since currently mine sits in the White female ideal range, though other guys like Orlando Bloom with a similar esr don't have such squished midface ratios (he's like 1.04 iirc). My facial thirds from top to bottom are 33/30/37, with the ideal masculine distribution being 31/33/36, so my nose is definitely too short, and that doesn't even take into consideration that my philtrum is very short too. At least my unideal high chin to philtrum ratio is very masculinizing and might balance out some of the feminizing effect of having such a short midface. My eyes are simply too big, since they are like 0.93 eyes apart iirc, while the esr is too high. What would you rate me in my most recent pics?

Your actual midface and skull isn't wide, bro. Plus your skull index is Meso.

If anything, your philtrum itself is the problem along with the dolphin IPD - rather than the actual midface / skull.

A chin to philtrum of 3 is a falio, not a halo like most crimson chin enthusiasts like to yap on here about.

I'd also like to mention that fixing your dolphin IPD fixes your midface ratio for the most part, putting it in the ideal range:

Take this autistic idea of getting a Lefort out of your mind. You don't have SFS, you will become a deformed horse:

If you don't believe me, take a picture of your smile right now - you most definitely have normal upper teeth show, meaning Lefort will not benefit you whatsoever.

 

[Zephyr.psl]

before: LTN

now: high LTN

So real

 

[Zephyr.psl]

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After is high mtn

 

[Dot1]

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ehh looks good but nice zygos

 

[Slothmaxxer]

Your actual midface and skull isn't wide, bro. Plus your skull index is Meso.

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If anything, your philtrum itself is the problem along with the dolphin IPD - rather than the actual midface / skull.

A chin to philtrum of 3 is a falio, not a halo like most crimson chin enthusiasts like to yap on here about.

I'd also like to mention that fixing your dolphin IPD fixes your midface ratio for the most part, putting it in the ideal range:

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Take this autistic idea of getting a Lefort out of your mind. You don't have SFS, you will become a deformed horse:

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If you don't believe me, take a picture of your smile right now - you most definitely have normal upper teeth show, meaning Lefort will not benefit you whatsoever.

If you measure fWHR like that with an almost diagonal line it will give a lower reading jfl, it's closer to 2.1 if you measure correctly. 2.1 is ok by itself but there would be no harm in going lower in the 1.9-2.1 ideal range. My tFWHR is 1.31, slightly shorter than the ideal of 1.33-1.38 so I would benefit from a bit more midface length.

I said my chin to philtrum is unideal, but it is masculinizing and, given my short philtrum/ midface, better than being a chinlet in the 2.05-2.55 ideal range. Without a tall 37% lower third my face would look very neotenous/ feminine.

What is the esr of the morph exactly? Going from 0.48 to 0.46 would reduce my midface ratio from 1.13 to 1.08, which is still well above 1:1. Jordan Barrett gets clowned for being compact and his midface ratio is around 1.08. An esr of 0.48 is quite common whereas a midface ratio of 1.13 is rare in among White men, the further something is from averageness the more important it is to address.

Yeah I have normal tooth show and wouldn't do an extreme surgerymaxx like lefort anyway, but if operations were done on photoshop and I could address one thing it would be midface length rather than ipd.

Anyway what would you rate before and after softmaxxing?

 

[Slothmaxxer]

ehh looks good but nice zygos

Rating before and after bhai?

 

[zemult]

If you measure fWHR like that with an almost diagonal line it will give a lower reading jfl, it's closer to 2.1 if you measure correctly. 2.1 is ok by itself but there would be no harm in going lower in the 1.9-2.1 ideal range. My tFWHR is 1.31, slightly shorter than the ideal of 1.33-1.38 so I would benefit from a bit more midface length.

I said my chin to philtrum is unideal, but it is masculinizing and, given my short philtrum/ midface, better than being a chinlet in the 2.05-2.55 ideal range. Without a tall 37% lower third my face would look very neotenous/ feminine.

What is the esr of the morph exactly? Going from 0.48 to 0.46 would reduce my midface ratio from 1.13 to 1.08, which is still well above 1:1. Jordan Barrett gets clowned for being compact and his midface ratio is around 1.08. An esr of 0.48 is quite common whereas a midface ratio of 1.13 is rare in among White men, the further something is from averageness the more important it is to address.

Yeah I have normal tooth show and wouldn't do an extreme surgerymaxx like lefort anyway, but if operations were done on photoshop and I could address one thing it would be midface length rather than ipd.

Anyway what would you rate before and after softmaxxing?

It's still ~2-2.05, my apologies for the slightly slanted line - I was trying to account for the eyebrow edges being low set.
Still within the ideal.

Jordan's FWHR is more like ~2.25. He's known for his squished midface because of this alone.
Midface ratio itself is irrelevant - FWHR and skull index matter more. O'pry has a midface ratio of 1.1 in a lot of pictures.

Your midface is undoubtedly compact, but not significant enough to be a falio on its own.

Your chin to philtrum, IPD, are falios worth talking about.

 

[zemult]

Rating before and after bhai?

LTN to ~High MTN. You look better in some selfies because selfies already dolphinmax the normal person, so it kind of hides your eye spacing falio.

 

[zemult]

You have good bones, judging by this selfie here:

Your eye spacing truly rapes you, without that falio I would rate you mid HTN.

 

[Slothmaxxer]

It's still ~2-2.05, my apologies for the slightly slanted line - I was trying to account for the eyebrow edges being low set.
Still within the ideal.

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Jordan's FWHR is more like ~2.25. He's known for his squished midface because of this alone.
Midface ratio itself is irrelevant - FWHR and skull index matter more. O'pry has a midface ratio of 1.1 in a lot of pictures.

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Your midface is undoubtedly compact, but not significant enough to be a falio on its own.

Your chin to philtrum, IPD, are falios worth talking about.

I get it, it's hard to measure stuff accurately anyway, like if you watch 3 facial analysis videos of the same person each rater will give slightly different ratios, angles etc based on different photo angles/ lens distortion/ misidentification of craniofacial landmarks.

O'Pry is like 1.05-1.08 in most pics where he's not super tilted back in some very tilted back pics I'm above 1.15. Not super relevant since I agree with the point you're making about fWHR and tFWHR being the primary determinants of whether you'll have a squished face appearance or not, unlike most normies I notice the midface failo first because I've been aware of my own for a long time, and roughly calculate the midface ratio of everyone I see in the streets that's how aware I am of it jfl.

I didn't think an esr of 0.48 would be such a noticeable failo given that it's only marginally outside of the 0.445-0.475 ideal range, I think I have uneven scleral triangles too which contributes to this. OBO and moving my mouth lower down to fix chin to philtrum/ the other cause of squished midface would ascend me hard.

 

[Slothmaxxer]

You have good bones, judging by this selfie here:

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Your eye spacing truly rapes you, without that falio I would rate you mid HTN.

This pic was at prime leanness though I had very little muscle mass, currently working on getting to that bf% again.

 

[AuraMaxxing]

Good looking guy, honestly bro keep up the good habits like diet and softmaxxes and just get off here. You don’t need to do much else unless you really want to ascend using the surgery route (which if you do then fine)

 

[Slothmaxxer]

Good looking guy, honestly bro keep up the good habits like diet and softmaxxes and just get off here. You don’t need to do much else unless you really want to ascend using the surgery route (which if you do then fine)

Thanks bhai, I'm cursed with autism so will probably be hanging around on here for a while longer jfl, I've been meeting foids from tinder recently but not NT enough to escalate. What would you rate before and after though?

 

[AuraMaxxing]

Thanks bhai, I'm cursed with autism so will probably be hanging around on here for a while longer jfl, I've been meeting foids from tinder recently but not NT enough to escalate. What would you rate before and after though?

I suck at rating as of now but HTN sounds about right considering it’s rare to see dudes with your bones irl

As for ntmaxxing, I think staying on here will do more harm than good, you’ll be better off logging off this incel shit for a while and watching normie content

 

[julioo27_]

What percentile is high LTN according to your rating scale

dead average but dont listen to him you are around low-midish htn imo