rate cycle

[AtrophicPyra]

8 iu hgh dose

taking test testosterone enanthate twice a week 150mg monday 150mg thursday and arimidex 0.25mg when you start seeing high estrogenic symptoms then build up if symptoms dont improve in a week up it to 0.5mg.(or take aromasin) taking HCG during whole cycle 500 iu , then clomid as a pct

hgh 5ius if u can fund it 8-10 ius

tb500 and bpc157 for androgen and igf1 sensitivity.

RU58841 for no baldness from dht from testosterone

all this for 20 weeks

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opinions on teriparatide idc abt you follower niggas saying its cope give me real answers

 

[MindOfBeni]

sell vapes and you have money for hgh

 

[AtrophicPyra]

sell vapes and you have money for hgh

old retarded thread,
everything i listed in my stack is cool and all im sticking to min 8 instead of 5 and i researched all abt bones ik that teriparatide is cope as shit now

you got any info on how to prevent prostate growth due to dht tho?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

you got any info on how to prevent prostate growth due to dht tho?

Dutasteride, its the standard treatment for enlarged prostates for a reason

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

old retarded thread,
everything i listed in my stack is cool and all im sticking to min 8 instead of 5 and i researched all abt bones ik that teriparatide is cope as shit now

you got any info on how to prevent prostate growth due to dht tho?

Or you could dip a dildo in ru58841

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Dutasteride, its the standard treatment for enlarged prostates for a reason

dont wanna block dht fully, 3-5x more androgenic than testosterone when it comes to bone androgen receptors

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

dont wanna block dht fully, 3-5x more androgenic than testosterone when it comes to bone androgen receptors

Still has no effect on any relevant looksmetric, theres a reason 5ar deficiency has little to no effect on facial aesthetics, ar's dont affect much nor do they have a high ceeling in terms of that type of growth, its highly regulated we are not rats so supraphysiological levels has no benefit. And 2 ar receptor activation doesnt say much, its a highly complex receptor with a fuck ton of genes it controls expression of, the nitty gritty would be important if 1 didnt disprove the theory

But if you wanna be a coping retard do pussy doses to only partly lower it, but if you dont wanna lower it systemically at all, the dildo might be your best bet, make sure its a 12x8inch dildo or its ineffective

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Still has no effect on any relevant looksmetric, theres a reason 5ar deficiency has little to no effect on facial aesthetics, ar's dont affect much nor do they have a high ceeling in terms of that type of growth, its highly regulated we are not rats so supraphysiological levels has no benefit. And 2 ar receptor activation doesnt say much, its a highly complex receptor with a fuck ton of genes it controls expression of, the nitty gritty would be important if 1 didnt disprove the theory

But if you wanna be a coping retard do pussy doses to only partly lower it, but if you dont wanna lower it systemically at all, the dildo might be your best bet, make sure its a 12x8inch dildo or its ineffective

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28067796/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18595795/

trust me dht is more powerful than u think.
Androgen receptor signaling does affect bone growth, especially periosteal expansion

ill keep the dildo idea in mind shit might actually work

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28067796/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18595795/

trust me dht is more powerful than u think.
Androgen receptor signaling does affect bone growth, especially periosteal expansion

ill keep the dildo idea in mind shit might actually work

Did you read these?
First study
"Here we investigated the mutual effects of androgen and GH on osteoblastic marker expression using mouse" not even gonna read the rest of that bullshit

its highly regulated we are not rats

The second study also does not mention anything applicable to you in any sort of way, they very clearly describe it as lacking density by talking about strentgh and quality, which is not relevant what so ever

Stop coping man

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Did you read these?
First study
"Here we investigated the mutual effects of androgen and GH on osteoblastic marker expression using mouse" not even gonna read the rest of that bullshit

The second study also does not mention anything applicable to you in any sort of way, they very clearly describe it as lacking density by talking about strentgh and quality, which is not relevant what so ever

Stop coping man

mouse bones and human bones r nearly the same in composition lol wtf.

wym, the second study says this

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

mouse bones and human bones r nearly the same in composition lol wtf.

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wym, the second study says this

Composition ≠ function

Small predated mamals rely much more on androgens and rapid growth as it is essential evolutionarily

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Composition ≠ function

Small predated mamals rely much more on androgens and rapid growth as it is essential evolutionarily

EXACTLY their bone turnover is rapid which is why they r the perfect mammals to test shit on over a short period of time.


like literally their bone layers/structure r nearly identical to humans

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

EXACTLY their bone turnover is rapid which is why they r the perfect mammals to test shit on over a short period of time.

Because the actuall function is totally fundementally different, and thats what matters

like literally their bone layers/structure r nearly identical to humans

I could get all the ingredients myself and sculpt a bone pretty much identical to a human or mouse bone, does that mean its gonna grow if i soak it in dht?

 

[zjss]

2/10 cycle dnr

8 iu hgh dose

taking test testosterone enanthate twice a week 150mg monday 150mg thursday and arimidex 0.25mg when you start seeing high estrogenic symptoms then build up if symptoms dont improve in a week up it to 0.5mg.(or take aromasin) taking HCG during whole cycle 500 iu , then clomid as a pct

hgh 5ius if u can fund it 8-10 ius

tb500 and bpc157 for androgen and igf1 sensitivity.

RU58841 for no baldness from dht from testosterone

all this for 20 weeks

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

opinions on teriparatide idc abt you follower niggas saying its cope give me real answers

 

[AtrophicPyra]

yeah assuming

Because the actuall function is totally fundementally different, and thats what matters

I could get all the ingredients myself and sculpt a bone pretty much identical to a human or mouse bone, does that mean its gonna grow if i soak it i

identical structure = identical function

both have osteoblasts, osteoclasts, osteocytes, bone androgen receptors, etc.

if they got the identical structures then that means they have identical functions

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

identical structure = identical function

both have osteoblasts, osteoclasts, osteocytes, bone androgen receptors, etc.

if they got the identical structures then that means they have identical functions

If they were avtually identical, you said nearly, remove all receptors and the bones are still nearly identical

 

[AtrophicPyra]

If they were avtually identical, you said nearly, remove all receptors and the bones are still nearly identical

bruh my point is that they have same structure and cells otherwise scientists and researchers wouldnt use them as mammals to cunduct experiments on and there is proof of that

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

bruh my point is that they have same structure and cells otherwise scientists and researchers wouldnt use them as mammals to cunduct experiments on and there is proof of that

They are not very similar, the last common ancestor lived about 75-90 million years ago a lot closer than a fish or some ad they are mamals obv but still very different, start by take a look at them. They are very practical ad they grow and reproduce super quickly(which humans cant nor need to do), theres no cultural ethical issues etc which is why you cant do mouse studies then just start human trials, nevermind conclude that it works and sell it.

Its clear that you do not understand the biology even slightly, otherwise you would've made an argument from biology not from reasonable assumption

 

[AtrophicPyra]

They are not very similar, the last common ancestor lived about 75-90 million years ago a lot closer than a fish or some ad they are mamals obv but still very different, start by take a look at them. They are very practical ad they grow and reproduce super quickly(which humans cant nor need to do), theres no cultural ethical issues etc which is why you cant do mouse studies then just start human trials, nevermind conclude that it works and sell it.

Its clear that you do not understand the biology even slightly, otherwise you would've made an argument from biology not from reasonable assumption

nigga wtf does this have to do with how they have structurally identical bones and have identical bone cells

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

nigga wtf does this have to do with how they have structurally identical bones and have identical bone cells

It doesnt, because that was not the argument you made

bruh my point is that they have same structure and cells otherwise scientists and researchers wouldnt use them as mammals to cunduct experiments on and there is proof of that

Your argument was that it was reasonable to assume that to be the case, i refuted that claim because it was fucking stupid

 

[AtrophicPyra]

It doesnt, because that was not the argument you made

Your argument was that it was reasonable to assume that to be the case, i refuted that claim because it was fucking stupid

mb i meant they have the same *bone* structure and *bone cells* otherwise scientists and researchers wouldnt use them as mammals to cunduct experiments on

im still right, they have nearly the same cells as humans, i can show u proof if u want

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

mb i meant they have the same *bone* structure and *bone cells* otherwise scientists and researchers wouldnt use them as mammals to cunduct experiments on

im still right, they have nearly the same cells as humans, i can show u proof if u want

Show proof then, please also include their cellular sensence systems compared to ours and that our cells dont WAY easier stop abnormally fast cell growth

And its still the same argument, an unreasonable assumtion, the same argument goes

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Show proof then, please also include their cellular sensence systems compared to ours and that our cells dont WAY easier stop abnormally fast cell growth

And its still the same argument, an unreasonable assumtion, the same argument goes

your right their bone turnover and cell growth is faster which is why they r used to be experimented on

you can google wtv yourself ill just tell u what i know, they have the same bones, muscle contractions, liver, + other animals can compensate for the "different" cells that the mice do compared to humans, one thing ik they have different is their immune responses to certain drugs unrelated to the ones we were discussing abt

animals are 100% reliable to find out whether smth is working or not you just gotta recalculate the dose

their cellular sensence systems r identical in many ways just google it yourself bec im lazy as shit.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

i can show u proof if u want

you can google wtv yourself ill just tell u what i know

Have i missed something? Are you god? Because it seems like your implying that what you know=proof

they have the same bones, muscle contractions, liver,

other animals can compensate for the "different" cells that the mice do compared to humans

one thing ik they have different is their immune responses to certain drugs unrelated to the ones we were

Nigga you relize you just wrote something then no fake no curveball no nothing just contradicted yourself. If they worked the same they would walk on 2 legs, be omnivores and be long distance runners, youd also be able to not see the difference between a mouse and a random dude

animals are 100% reliable to find out whether smth is working or not you just gotta recalculate the dose

But still even though you twice admitted difference you said this?????? Well to bad there isnt any reliable institution of science that would aggree with you, because its so wrong i dont even know where to begin, also i forgot to mention you addmitted they have difference in growth patterns like i said, that implies a totally diffferent system, thats why mice studies arent used to justify efficacy in humans but to create and improve hypothesises. You have 0 clue what you are talking about

their cellular sensence systems r identical in many ways just google it yourself bec im lazy as shit.

Werent you gonna provide proof just a second ago? You realize this statement and

your right their bone turnover and cell growth is faster

Could not be true at the same time? The first statement prevent the other. You saying this also just implies youre not critical of sources at all

Not even gonna waste my time with retards like you from how incredibly stupid this post was

 

[AtrophicPyra]

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Have i missed something? Are you god? Because it seems like your implying that what you know=proof



Nigga you relize you just wrote something then no fake no curveball no nothing just contradicted yourself. If they worked the same they would walk on 2 legs, be omnivores and be long distance runners, youd also be able to not see the difference between a mouse and a random dude




But still even though you twice admitted difference you said this?????? Well to bad there isnt any reliable institution of science that would aggree with you, because its so wrong i dont even know where to begin, also i forgot to mention you addmitted they have difference in growth patterns like i said, that implies a totally diffferent system, thats why mice studies arent used to justify efficacy in humans but to create and improve hypothesises. You have 0 clue what you are talking about


Werent you gonna provide proof just a second ago? You realize this statement and

Could not be true at the same time? The first statement prevent the other. You saying this also just implies youre not critical of sources at all

Not even gonna waste my time with retards like you from how incredibly stupid this post was

having identical structures and cells is not = to identical dna oh my low iq this is why mice dont have 2 walking legs.

yk im right not even tryna be a dick but sometimes u gotta just admit ur wrong. we have been arguing abt 3 different topics in the same subject bec everytime u tried to prove a point abt a topic relating from dht, to bones, to cells, now arguing abt the genes of mice i said smth to counteract that point which disproved your false ideologies and in response u moved onto another topic to try again im crine son

you dont want proof or studies u jus wanna prove your right. i alr linked a study to you and in response u moved onto another topic. if u rlly wanna see if im right or wrong do the research yourself.

mice have different growth patterns because they live for 2-3 years

btw mice r used to for early efficacy testing before human trials. so idk were u got the fact they dont from.