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[Olivecel]

That’s like saying the Finnish are closer to the Japanese and Koreans because they wear suits.

If you are here to start the argument tell me exactly what is so different about (traditional) Greek culture from me/na and then maybe I can see where you are coming from.
By the way the Greek culture you know today is not what it always was..

 

[Olivecel]

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[Marsiere214]

If you are here to start the argument tell me exactly what is so different about (traditional) Greek culture from me/na and then maybe I can see where you are coming from.
By the way the Greek culture you know today is not what it always was..

Greeks are Christians who reside in democratic societies with completely different mindset which is shaped by their close interaction with various european culture. Even before Christianity Greeks lived in vastly different societies in comparison to the menas (which u would’ve known if u studied history). Greeks have European architecture and are in European institutions while menas have their own architecture and are Islamic autocracies. Greeks have been under the ottoman yoke for 300-500yrs depending on the region but they were highly isolated and lived in segregated communities.

 

[Olivecel]

That’s like saying the Finnish are closer to the Japanese and Koreans because they wear suits.

Well their traditional attire are entirely different.
The fact that they both wear suits today is a result of globalist culture, not their original cultures.

Costumes themselves do not make them the same necessarily. They’re rather a symbol of connectivity. It shows a history of involvement in the same realm at some point. If the Finnish had a similar folk costume to the Japanese then YES there is a level of connectivity (that is not the case anyway). But the “suits” are not.

 

[Marsiere214]

Well their traditional attire are entirely different.
The fact that they both wear suits today is a result of globalist culture, not their original cultures.

Costumes themselves do not make them the same necessarily. They’re rather a symbol of connectivity. It shows a history of involvement in the same realm at some point. If the Finnish had a similar folk costume to the Japanese then YES there is a level of connectivity. But the “suits” are not.

Culture changes throughout the generation. What defines an original culture? During Roman times everyone from Britain to anatolia wore the same attire. The Phoenician attire can be found as far as Ireland and even in Bulgaria and in Russia. The world has always ben somewhat globalized but what makes these different is not their attire but their mindset which is shaped by the societies they grew up in.

 

[Olivecel]

Greeks are Christians

So are Armenians. Chaldeans. Assyrian and 50% of Lebanese.

who reside in democratic societies with completely different mindset which is shaped by their close interaction with various european culture.

That’s why I stated a shift in culture. Greek culture was not always like this. 150+ years ago Greeks had to be introduced to Enlighment ideals that were not familiar to them.

Even before Christianity Greeks lived in vastly different societies in comparison to the menas (which u would’ve known if u studied history).

Not necessarily. If you go back far enough, prior to the rise of the Roman Empire, Greeks would have been much more involved with with Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Anatolians and other pre-Islamic me/na’s through trade and cultural exchange, by far more than other Europeans. Even war. Not all connections were peaceful. The Greeks of antiquity did not care much for other Europeans at the time, but rather the eastern-Mediterranean and me/na.

Greeks have European architecture and are in European institutions while menas have their own architecture and are Islamic autocracies.

Greece has more than one architectural style.
It has classical, neo-classical, eastern-Roman or ‘Byzantine’, Ottoman and of course local Balkan and Aegean village architecture that you can only find in that specific region.
Half of it is indeed shared with the rest of Europe (the classical and neo-classical). But the latter are shared more with the me/na. Especially Byzantine architecture strongly influenced Islamic architecture, art and religious chants. This not only applies to architecture, but most of Arab music as well, is influenced by Medieval Greek musical styles. You’d be surprised, as much impact Greeks have on the West, the same impact Greeks have on the Middle East.

Greeks have been under the ottoman yoke for 300-500yrs depending on the region but they were highly isolated and lived in segregated communities.

As were all non-Turkish communities.
You think Armenians lived happpily? You think Assyrians lived happily? They didn’t.
Nonetheless they were all involved.
This is why I ask if you read the part of Greek history that makes you uncomfortable to learn. Because in fact Greeks were the MOST involved in Ottoman life. From Janissiers, and even being a big part of the Ottoman economy. Greeks were the biggest merchant group in the Ottoman Empire. Known as Phanariot.

I think you are too brainwashed by Western romanticism, maybe.

 

[Olivecel]

Culture changes throughout the generation. What defines an original culture? During Roman times everyone from Britain to anatolia wore the same attire. The Phoenician attire can be found as far as Ireland and even in Bulgaria and in Russia. The world has always ben somewhat globalized but what makes these different is not their attire but their mindset which is shaped by the societies they grew up in.

Still not to the same extent as Greek (or Balkan in general) and me/na ones.
It’s no coincidence as to why Greek (or Balkan in general) music, costumes and dances are often categorized as ‘oriental’.
However I somewhat disagree with that myself. Because in fact it’s not Greek stuff that are me/na, but rather most me/na stuff as far as music, food, costumes and dances, etc. are Greek. So it’s the other way around, but essentially still my point..

 

[Marsiere214]

So are Armenians. Chaldeans. Assyrian and 50% of Lebanese.

Armenians,Assyrians and Chaldeans follow a different sect of Christianity highly influenced by Islam which tied back to what I said, ur culture is not just attire it’s also about ur mentality.

So are Armenians. Chaldeans. Assyrian and 50% of Lebanese.



Not necessarily. If you go back far enough, prior to the rise of the Roman Empire, Greeks would have been much more involved with with Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Anatolians and other pre-Islamic me/na’s through trade and cultural exchange, by far more than other Europeans. The Greeks of antiquity did not care much for other Europeans at the time, but rather the eastern-Mediterranean and me/

The Greeks have always been more involved with their European neighbors like the Lydians and the Thracians. West Anatolia was largely compromised by Greeks and Thracians. Greeks were also very isolationist during their time, their mindset was different and u can see that in their works. As I said culture is not just about attire.

So are Armenians. Chaldeans. Assyrian and 50% of Lebanese.

That’s why I stated a shift in culture. Greek culture was not always like this. 150+ years ago Greeks had to be introduced to Enlighment ideals that were not familiar to them.

Not necessarily. If you go back far enough, prior to the rise of the Roman Empire, Greeks would have been much more involved with with Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Anatolians and other pre-Islamic me/na’s through trade and cultural exchange, by far more than other Europeans. The Greeks of antiquity did not care much for other Europeans at the time, but rather the eastern-Mediterranean and me/na.

Greece has more than one architectural style.
It has classical, neo-classical, eastern-Roman or ‘Byzantine’, Ottoman and of course local Balkan and Aegean village architecture that you can only find in that specific region.
Half of it is indeed shared with the rest of Europe (the classical and neo-classical). But the latter are shared more with the me/na. Especially Byzantine architecture strongly influenced Islamic architecture, art and religious chants. This not only applies to architecture, but most of Arab music as well, is influenced by Medieval Greek musical styles. You’d be surprised, as much impact Greeks have on the West, the same impact Greeks have on the Middle East.

it is true that Greece influenced Muslims as well as Europeans in many ways some of which were architecture Islamic architecture and middle eastern Islamic architecture mostly stems from the Arabia. Greece was heavily impacted by the west while barely impacted by the east as during the Byzantine empire they mostly interacted with the venetians and other west and east European groups.

As were all non-Turkish communities.
You think Armenians lived happpily? You think Assyrians lived happily? They didn’t.
Nonetheless they were all involved.
This is why I ask if you read the part of Greek history that makes you uncomfortable to learn. Because in fact Greeks were the MOST involved in Ottoman life. From Janissiers, and even being a big part of the Ottoman economy. Greeks were the biggest merchant group in the Ottoman Empire. Known as Phanariot.

I think you are too brainwashed by Western romanticism, maybe.

It is true that Greeks were involved in the Ottoman Empire they were not the most. The most involved people in the Ottoman Empire were the Bosnians and the Albanians. After that it was the Bulgarians(who were considered the richest ottoman province for awhile.) and then the Greeks. Most of the upper class of the Ottoman Empire were Bosnians and Albanians (there’s a user called tsartsar on here he can explain it to u, he’s a big ottomanboo) and again it is mindset and race that mainly distinguishes people. Greek mindset is vastly different from that of the Arab world.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Are turks hellenized mongols or mongolized greeks?

 

[Olivecel]

Armenians,Assyrians and Chaldeans follow a different sect of Christianity highly influenced by Islam which tied back to what I said, ur culture is not just attire it’s also about ur mentality.

If you can provide cultural or theological examples of this counter argument, I’d love to know.
But as far as I know, Chaldeans, Assyrians and Lebanese are simply Catholic, so they are not much different from European Catholics.
Armenians do indeed have a unique sect. But whether or not it’s influenced by Islam I would need some proof before I just believe what you say here..

The Greeks have always been more involved with their European neighbors like the Lydians and the Thracians.

Lydians were Anatolian, and therefore me/na.
Thracians were not more involved with Greeks as opposed to Phoenicians. Phoenicians and Greeks were the two dominant merchant classes of the Mediterranean with extensive trade and cultural exchange.

their mindset was different and u can see that in their works. As I said culture is not just about attire.

Their philosophical works were not necessarily a reflection of Greek societal culture.
In fact, Greek philosophers heavily criticized Greek society. And that is why they existed.
The Western mindset is partially influenced by Greek philosophy. But NOT the Greek societal culture at the time. The more I read about Greek societal culture, the more bizarre it sounds to me.. and it helps me understand why it was so often criticized by the philosophers.
The Bible is the same way. The Israelite culture was fucked from a Western POV, but the Western mindset can relate to the prophets who were trying to guide the Israelites (especially Christ).

it is true that Greece influenced Muslims as well as Europeans in many ways some of which were architecture Islamic architecture and middle eastern Islamic architecture mostly stems from the Arabia.

Arabia had no architecture of its own. It were tents and sand houses.
The Arabian-esque patterned designs, domed buildings, arches, etc. developed from eastern-Roman or ‘Byzantine’ influences.

Byzantine empire they mostly interacted with the venetians and other west and east European groups.

That’s not true. The Byzantine Empire interacted with traders from around the Biack Sea, Levant as well as along the Silk Road. The eastern-Mediterranean was the pivot-point between Europe and West Asia, and the Byzantine Empire was the center of it.

It is true that Greeks were involved in the Ottoman Empire they were not the most. The most involved people in the Ottoman Empire were the Bosnians and the Albanians.

It depends.
Economically the Greeks were on top of those two.
Albanians and Bosnians played a bigger role in warfare. Greeks did not want to ‘fight’ for the Ottomans.
Greeks were like the Jews of the Ottoman Empire tbh.

Greek mindset is vastly different from that of the Arab world.

Maybe to some extent, but not entirely. A Greek and a Christian Arab are more alike than a Greek and a German. Whether you like that or not jfl.
As long as we have the same religion in common, there is just much more to talk about and relate with with an Arab. Here we can talk about familiar food, familiar habits and jokes, music, celebrations, etc. plus we both hate jews and lgbtq shit, we talk vulgar and speak our minds more blunt even if it seems ‘rude’ to others.. I can’t do that with other Europeans besides maybe Albanians, Bulgarians or Italians..

 

[ngannou]

God bless this lovely orthodox sister, when I got to church ima bring this gem up gayreeks are not racist they treat me very well and love me cos I’m a BBC BVLL they know I can keep their whites entertained

@vrilmaxxer @ngannou see how orthodox stand up to oppose PIssLamb meanwhile prot and Roman carbs allow their daughters to be married off to Mohammedens. We’d never allow such blasphemy we raise our women smart and correctly to not go near subhumans

May the holy theotokos preserve this woman by the will of Jesus Christ @PsychoH takes notes this is what orthodoxy can do for your women meanwhile prot white girls are waving flags to let babatunde and Abdoool in

I am not protestant.
I just read the bible and believe in Christ simple

 

[PsychoH]

God bless this lovely orthodox sister, when I got to church ima bring this gem up gayreeks are not racist they treat me very well and love me cos I’m a BBC BVLL they know I can keep their whites entertained

@vrilmaxxer @ngannou see how orthodox stand up to oppose PIssLamb meanwhile prot and Roman carbs allow their daughters to be married off to Mohammedens. We’d never allow such blasphemy we raise our women smart and correctly to not go near subhumans

May the holy theotokos preserve this woman by the will of Jesus Christ @PsychoH takes notes this is what orthodoxy can do for your women meanwhile prot white girls are waving flags to let babatunde and Abdoool in

Nigga said babatunde. Friendly fire.

 

[Marsiere214]

If you can provide cultural or theological examples of this counter argument, I’d love to know.
But as far as I know, Chaldeans, Assyrians and Lebanese are simply Catholic, so they are not much different from European Catholics.
Armenians do indeed have a unique sect. But whether or not it’s influenced by Islam I would need some proof before I just believe what you say here..

These sects lived under Islamic Arabic rule for most of their existence which is what makes them different this channel delves more into the differences

If you can provide cultural or theological examples of this counter argument, I’d love to know.
But as far as I know, Chaldeans, Assyrians and Lebanese are simply Catholic, so they are not much different from European Catholics.
Armenians do indeed have a unique sect. But whether or not it’s influenced by Islam I would need some proof before I just believe what you say here..

Lydians were Anatolian, and therefore me/na.
Thracians were not more involved with Greeks as opposed to Phoenicians. Phoenicians and Greeks were the two dominant merchant classes of the Mediterranean with extensive trade and cultural exchange.

It is true that the lydians resided in Anatolia but they were indo European and genetically were close to the Greeks and Thracians. As a matter of fact The byzantine chronicles at the time state that the Bulgars originated from Anatolia (Turkic theory was later pushed by the soviets to get Bulgaria into the union) and Greece and Bulgaria absorbed many anatolians into their empires and the bulgars were called slavicized mysians( Anatolian people most likely from Lydian origin)


That is like calling modern Australians not European because they live in Australia. And what ur saying about Greeks being more involved with the Phoenicians is simply not true. The Greeks traded slaves with the thracians, they had the same artwork, the Odrydian kingdom was structured exactly the same way as the other Greek societies. As a matter of fact the Thracians even wrote in Greek and spoke Greek as a secondary language.

Their philosophical works were not necessarily a reflection of Greek societal culture.
In fact, Greek philosophers heavily criticized Greek society. And that is why they existed.
The Western mindset is partially influenced by Greek philosophy. But NOT the Greek societal culture at the time. The more I read about Greek societal culture, the more bizarre it sounds to me.. and it helps me understand why it was so often criticized by the philosophers.
The Bible is the same way. The Israelite culture was fucked from a Western POV, but the Western mindset can relate to the prophets who were trying to guide the Israelites (especially Christ).

their philosophical works shed light into what Greek society is and it shows that it was vastly different from their middle eastern counterparts. Greeks had a different government, religion(although it overlapped to an extent with the mena religions, like all pegan religions at the time), language etc. to help u understand the differences think about how people today dress the same, use the same internet etc but still have different mindsets. For example the Americans watch anime and so do the Japanese, the Americans have high rise buildings so do the Japanese but what makes them different is their mindset.

Maybe to some extent, but not entirely. A Greek and a Christian Arab are more alike than a Greek and a German. Whether you like that or not jfl.
As long as we have the same religion in common, there is just much more to talk about and relate with with an Arab. Here we can talk about familiar food, familiar habits and jokes, music, celebrations, etc. plus we both hate jews and lgbtq shit, we talk vulgar and speak our minds more blunt even if it seems ‘rude’ to others.. I can’t do that with other Europeans besides maybe Albanians, Bulgarians or Italians..

I am both greek and Bulgarian( my ancestors spoke Greek as their first language do maybe fully Greek but I don’t see the two as that different due to them being genetically and culturally identical.) and I do feel closeness to south Europeans but but definitely not to menas. I find some similarities there and there especially in the food but overall their mindset is very different and I live in the US so I’ve met all kinds of Arabs.

 

[sigma boii]

DM me. We need to team up

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Nigga said babatunde. Friendly fire.

Did I say anything wrong though? And I don’t see it as friendly fire, if you don’t adapt to the land of the people and their culture your a foreigner and yes many blacks who come to Europe do not adapt there’s nothing wrong with me point this out (most happen to be Muslim to the surprise of nobody because that cult is antithesis to western civ).

 

[flippasav]

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[Olivecel]

These sects lived under Islamic Arabic rule for most of their existence which is what makes them different this channel delves more into the differences

Thanks. I’ll look into that.

It is true that the lydians resided in Anatolia but they were indo European and genetically were close to the Greeks and Thracians.

I don’t think being IE-speaking has anything to do with it. Iranians are IE, Kurds are IE, Armenians are IE, but that doesn’t make them any less me/na.
Culture is primarily based on local geography.

That is like calling modern Australians not European because they live in Australia.

Australians are a direct import from Europe. Lydians started and developed in Anatolia, which is in West Asia. So it’s not the same. Anatolia was always more connected to other West Asian cultures than they were to most of Europe.
Even their writing systems were in cuneiform and/or based Phoenicians abjad symbols (like the Greeks). Anatolian mythology, as well as Greek, had many parallels with Canaanite and to a lesser extent even Mesopotamian mythology.

And what ur saying about Greeks being more involved with the Phoenicians is simply not true. The Greeks traded slaves with the thracians, they had the same artwork, the Odrydian kingdom was structured exactly the same way as the other Greek societies. As a matter of fact the Thracians even wrote in Greek and spoke Greek as a secondary language.

It is true.
You want to bring up artwork? Greek pottery were a direct influence from Phoenicians styles,

(left is Greek, right is Phoenician)
All of that patterned decor you see in me/na art & textiles started in the eastern-Mediterranean by the works of Greeks, Phoenicians and Mesopotamians.
I do agree that Thracians also had similar artwork. Like I stated already, the me/na affect not only extends to Greeks, but also the rest of the Balkans and even sorta southern Italy.

As for slaves, a majority of Greek slaves were captured Greeks from other city-states because they went to war with each other more than they did non-Greeks.

their philosophical works shed light into what Greek society is and it shows that it was vastly different from their middle eastern counterparts.

Not really. Because like I said, Greek society was heavily criticized by the philosophers. Most of their values, education, political ideas, etc. were literally in opposition to what the Greeks were living.
The philosophers were the elite class and their education was not free to most of the public. Public education is modern Western creation, not ancient Greek.

Greeks had a different government,

Only Athens was Democratic. And still not the same as Western Democratic Republics.
That leads into Plato, who despised the Athenian-style of Democracy in favor of a Republic.
And that is why I say, Greek philosophy is not a reflection of actual Greek society at the time. It was the opposite.

religion(although it overlapped to an extent with the mena religions,

Exactly.
But no, not all pagan religions at the time.

For example the Americans watch anime and so do the Japanese, the Americans have high rise buildings so do the Japanese but what makes them different is their mindset.

That is American and Japanese.
The mindset of a (traditional) Greek and a me/na (especially a Christian one) is not entirely different. Historic examples explain that easily.
To elaborate, what about the mindset of a (traditional) Greek is so different from a me/na? You keep throwing around “mindset”, but as a Greek-American I can easily relate to the mindset of a Christian me/na by far more than to the mindset of most other European ancestries in America besides maybe Italians or other Balkan groups. I feel Armenians to be the most similar to us. We both hate turks and jews, we’re both very business-oriented and have entrepreneurial mindsets (almost kinda jewy in a way even tho we hate them jfl), we both have big families and often still live very close to each other or even in the same homes to some extent with our grandparents (while white Americans barely even know their fucking cousin), we are both loud and temperamental and we speak fast, etc. and the list goes on.!!

I am both greek and Bulgarian( my ancestors spoke Greek as their first language do maybe fully Greek but I don’t see the two as that different due to them being genetically and culturally identical.)

and I do feel closeness to south Europeans but but definitely not to menas. I find some similarities there and there especially in the food but overall their mindset is very different and I live in the US so I’ve met all kinds of Arabs.

Well of course Greeks are more alike their neighboring Balkan countries and southern Europe>>me/na first.
What I’m saying is that Greeks are still more alike me/na than other parts of Europe. Like I stated earlier, the me/na affect not only extends to Greeks, but also other Balkan people and parts of southern Europe too. I don’t believe a culture is confined to a specific continent.

 

[WayneBraaaah]

jfl at the way she put that German lib-cuck in his natural place tfw there's tons of women with bigger ballz than many 'men' have

tagging Greekcels: @GreekGenes @TheVoidInside @Olivecel

very very based

 

[Marsiere214]

Thanks. I’ll look into that.

I don’t think being IE-speaking has anything to do with it. Iranians are IE, Kurds are IE, Armenians are IE, but that doesn’t make them any less me/na.
Culture is primarily based on local geography.

no ur culture is based on who u interact with and the way society functions. Most scholars agree that Greeks had a different culture from mena hence the west and east divide. Example Greeks= western civilization vs Persians= east civilization.

Australians are a direct import from Europe. Lydians started and developed in Anatolia, which is in West Asia. So it’s not the same. Anatolia was always more connected to other West Asian cultures than they were to most of Europe.
Even their writing systems were in cuneiform and/or based Phoenicians abjad symbols (like the Greeks). Anatolian mythology, as well as Greek, had many parallels with Canaanite and to a lesser extent even Mesopotamian mythology.

Lydians moved into Anatolia and pushed out the Hittites they are also genetically European and this is a scientific fact.

It is true.
You want to bring up artwork? Greek pottery were a direct influence from Phoenicians styles,
View attachment 3603079View attachment 3603080
(left is Greek, right is Phoenician)
All of that patterned decor you see in me/na art & textiles started in the eastern-Mediterranean by the works of Greeks, Phoenicians and Mesopotamians.
I do agree that Thracians also had similar artwork. Like I stated already, the me/na affect not only extends to Greeks, but also the rest of the Balkans and even sorta southern Italy.

The Greeks were more involved with themselves and then they were involved mostly with the Thracian as can be seen by their identical way of life and when it comes to artwork let’s see what scholars have to say

Ancient Greek art - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, Greek and Phoenician artwork differ, with Phoenician art being an eclectic mix of Near Eastern, Egyptian, and Aegean influences, while Greek art, particularly during the Archaic and Classical periods, focused on human figures and developed its own distinct styles.

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• Greek art developed its own distinct styles, including the "contrapposto" stance in sculpture and the Corinthian style in architecture.
  
  

As for slaves, a majority of Greek slaves were captured Greeks from other city-states because they went to war with each other more than they did non-Greeks.

Not really. Because like I said, Greek society was heavily criticized by the philosophers. Most of their values, education, political ideas, etc. were literally in opposition to what the Greeks were living.
The philosophers were the elite class and their education was not free to most of the public. Public education is modern Western creation, not Ancient Greek.

Only Athens was Democratic. And still not the same as Western Democratic Republics.
That leads into Plato, who despised the Athenian-style of Democracy in favor of a Republic.
And that is why I say, Greek philosophy is not a reflection of actual Greek society at the time. It was the opposite.

Exactly.
But no, not all pagan religions at the time.

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No most of Greek slaves were not Greeks mainly imported from Thrace and Anatolia.

I never said that Greek society was like their philosophers what I am saying is that these philosophers shed light into what it was like whether they critics it or not. It’s not just philosophers though we have other works which scholars use to draw the divide between western and eastern.
Ancient Greek society, characterized by independent city-states, differed from Near Eastern societies in its fragmented political structure, emphasis on individual citizenship and political participation, and unique cultural and religious practices, while also exhibiting some Near Eastern influences.

Here's a more detailed comparison:


Political Organization:

• Greek:
  Ancient Greece was comprised of numerous independent city-states (poleis) like Athens and Sparta, each with its own government and laws. While some city-states might be dominated by larger neighbors, direct rule by another city-state was rare.
  
  
• Near Eastern:
  Near Eastern societies, such as those in Mesopotamia and Egypt, were often characterized by large, centralized empires with kings or pharaohs holding immense power.
  

Citizenship and Political Participation:

• Greek:
  Greek city-states often had systems of citizenship, with only free, land-owning, native-born men having full rights and the ability to participate in government. Athens, for example, developed a form of democracy where citizens could participate in the Assembly and vote.
  
  
• Near Eastern:
  In contrast, Near Eastern societies often had more hierarchical structures, with limited political participation for most people.
  

Social Structure:

• Greek:
  Greek society included various social classes, such as citizens, metics (resident aliens), women, and slaves. While there was some interaction and movement between social groups, particularly during times of stress, social structures were generally rigid.
  
  
• Near Eastern:
  Near Eastern societies also had complex social structures, with hierarchies based on occupation, wealth, and status.
  

Cultural and Religious Practices:

• Greek:
  Greek culture emphasized humanism, rationalism, and the arts, with a pantheon of gods and goddesses that were often depicted as human-like. Greek religion did not have a clergy or sacred books, and priests simply looked after cults.
  
  
• Near Eastern:
  Near Eastern religions often involved more complex rituals and priestly hierarchies, with sacred texts and a focus on the divine.
  

Influence and Interconnections:

• Greek:
  While Greek culture developed its own distinct characteristics, it also drew upon Near Eastern influences in areas like art, architecture, and religious practices during the Archaic period.
• Near Eastern:
  The Near East, with its rich history and diverse cultures, exerted a significant influence on the development of Greek civilization, particularly during the Archaic period.

Even today people share similar faiths, are u now gonna argue that the Irish are similar to the Lebanese because they share abrahmic faiths?

That is American and Japanese.
The mindset of a (traditional) Greek and a me/na (especially a Christian one) is not entirely different. Historic examples explain that easily.
To elaborate, what about the mindset of a (traditional) Greek is so different from a me/na? You keep throwing around “mindset”, but as a Greek-American I can easily relate to the mindset of a Christian me/na by far more than to the mindset of most other European ancestries in America besides maybe Italians or other Balkan groups. I feel Armenians to be the most similar to us. We both hate turks and jews, we’re both very business-oriented and have entrepreneurial mindsets (almost kinda jewy in a way even tho we hate them jfl), we both have big families and often still live very close to each other or even in the same homes to some extent with our grandparents (while white Americans barely even know their fucking cousin), we are both loud and temperamental and we speak fast, etc. and the list goes on.!!


Well of course Greeks are more alike their neighboring Balkan countries and southern Europe>>me/na first.
What I’m saying is that Greeks are still more alike me/na than other parts of Europe. Like I stated earlier, the me/na affect not only extends to Greeks, but also other Balkan people and parts of southern Europe too. I don’t believe a culture is confined to a specific continent.

I was mostly born and raised in the balkans and I find very few similarities between us and the menas u don’t have to just ask me u can look at other Greeks on the internet as a matter of fact most Greeks I know refuse to even befriend menas. If u lived in the balkans and then moved to the US u would then see it for urself. U can’t compere near easterners who had drastically different upbringing due to Islam and oriental Christianity to us who grew up under secularism.

 

[Olivecel]

no ur culture is based on who u interact with and the way society functions.

Well if you believe that Greeks had no interaction between me/na civilizations then you have no clue.
I’m seriously concerned as to why you believe Greeks only had contact with Thracians exclusively when Greeks were literally a dominant force throughout the Mediterranean and greater-Anatolia as well..

Most scholars agree that Greeks had a different culture from mena hence the west and east divide. Example Greeks= western civilization vs Persians= east civilization.

That’s the over-generalization of Western academia.
If you read sources on your own you can come to your own conclusions I guess..

Lydians moved into Anatolia and pushed out the Hittites they are also genetically European and this is a scientific fact.

Lydians were native to Anatolia.
And “genetically European” is misleading because not all Europeans are genetically the same. DNA is also regional . A Greek is about as genetically distant from an Irishman as they are to a Syrian. Finns are genetically very distant form Sicilians.. and so on..
Lydians were genetically related specifically to Greeks, and not ‘Europeans’ as a whole.
In fact, Greeks and southern Italians are genetically closer to the Levant and greater-Anatolia than they are to northern/western Europeans, and this would include Lydians,

the source is included at the top

The Greeks were more involved with themselves and then they were involved mostly with the Thracian as can be seen by their identical way of life and when it comes to artwork let’s see what scholars have to say

That is true, mostly involved with themselves. And I do agree about the Thracians too. However you tremendously underestimate the involvement Greeks had with me/na civilizations as well.

Ancient Greek art - Wikipedia

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Yes, Greek and Phoenician artwork differ, with Phoenician art being an eclectic mix of Near Eastern, Egyptian, and Aegean influences, while Greek art, particularly during the Archaic and Classical periods, focused on human figures and developed its own distinct styles.

Archaic Aegean styles were naturally similar to the styles of ancient me/na civilizations anyway,

Greek to the left. Mesopotamian to the right.

Greek to the left. Mesopotamian to the right.
Striking similarities.

The Mesopotamians, like the Greeks, also focused on human figures. They were not Abrahamic (i.e. Jewish or Muslim),

However I will note that Greek art advanced tremendously beyond these archaic styles. Afterall, Greek civilization was a newer one compared to Mesopotamian.
The Greeks developed more realistic artwork later-on into the Classical and Hellenistic periods,

As you can see, the earlier forms would have looked much similar to the ancient me/na types.

No most of Greek slaves were not Greeks mainly imported from Thrace and Anatolia.

Thrace, Anatolia as well as Greeks from other city-states.
They did not use Greeks of their own city-state unless they were in debt. Very similar to that of the ancient me/na as seen in Biblical sources.

I never said that Greek society was like their philosophers what I am saying is that these philosophers shed light into what it was like whether they critics it or not. It’s not just philosophers though we have other works which scholars use to draw the divide between western and eastern.

We can divide western and eastern through the works of Greek philosophy. And we can do the same through the values of Biblical prophets (especially in the New Testament). That didn’t make the Israelites any less me/na culturally speaking.
Like Socrates, the Israelites got Jesus killed.

Ancient Greek society, characterized by independent city-states, differed from Near Eastern societies in its fragmented political structure, emphasis on individual citizenship and political participation, and unique cultural and religious practices, while also exhibiting some Near Eastern influences.

Here's a more detailed comparison:


Political Organization:

• Greek:
  Ancient Greece was comprised of numerous independent city-states (poleis) like Athens and Sparta, each with its own government and laws. While some city-states might be dominated by larger neighbors, direct rule by another city-state was rare.
  
  
• Near Eastern:
  Near Eastern societies, such as those in Mesopotamia and Egypt, were often characterized by large, centralized empires with kings or pharaohs holding immense power.

Each city-state was like their own country. The structure of some city-states would have been similar to those throughout the ancient me/na.

Citizenship and Political Participation:

• Greek:
  Greek city-states often had systems of citizenship, with only free, land-owning, native-born men having full rights and the ability to participate in government. Athens, for example, developed a form of democracy where citizens could participate in the Assembly and vote.
  
  
• Near Eastern:
  In contrast, Near Eastern societies often had more hierarchical structures, with limited political participation for most people.

It’s essentially the same thing, only you are wording in differently JFL.
If you believe that Athenian political structure was anything like that of the modern West then you are completely delusional at this point.

Social Structure:

• Greek:
  Greek society included various social classes, such as citizens, metics (resident aliens), women, and slaves. While there was some interaction and movement between social groups, particularly during times of stress, social structures were generally rigid.
  
  
• Near Eastern:
  Near Eastern societies also had complex social structures, with hierarchies based on occupation, wealth, and status.

Again, essentially the same thing, only you are wording it differently.
The citizens were were at the top of Greek hierarchy, the ones in charge of the government, which was extremely limited.

Cultural and Religious Practices:

• Greek:
  Greek culture emphasized humanism, rationalism, and the arts, with a pantheon of gods and goddesses that were often depicted as human-like. Greek religion did not have a clergy or sacred books, and priests simply looked after cults.

Again, same for ancient me/na civilizations. Apart from the Israelites, they were not Abrahamic.
The Bible talks against the humanism and lack of a sacred book among their Mesopotamian and Phoenician counterparts. Like the Greeks, most of their religion was based on mythological stories. Ever read Gilgamesh? It has many parallels to the Odyssey.
You seem to be confusing ancient Israelite culture for all ancient me/na civilizations which is historically false.

• Near Eastern:
  Near Eastern religions often involved more complex rituals and priestly hierarchies, with sacred texts and a focus on the divine.

This is partially correct.
There was no priestly hierarchy in the Greek religion. But they had have complex rituals and focused on the divine.
Ever heard of the Oracle or Delphi?
Or read about the Dionysian cults..

Influence and Interconnections:

• Greek:
  While Greek culture developed its own distinct characteristics, it also drew upon Near Eastern influences in areas like art, architecture, and religious practices during the Archaic period.
• Near Eastern:
  The Near East, with its rich history and diverse cultures, exerted a significant influence on the development of Greek civilization, particularly during the Archaic period.

I do agree that Greek is unique in the same way that all ancient me/na and Mediterranean civilizations were unique in their own ways.
However I believe they were all linked, and this includes Greece, the Balkans and other parts of southern Europe to a greater-extent.

Even today people share similar faiths, are u now gonna argue that the Irish are similar to the Lebanese because they share abrahmic faiths?

Nope.
I said Greeks and Christian me/na are similar. Not Irish.. the Irish are all the way in northwestern Europe JFL.

I was mostly born and raised in the balkans and I find very few similarities between us and the menas u don’t have to just ask me u can look at other Greeks on the internet as a matter of fact most Greeks I know refuse to even befriend menas.

Not most Greeks I know.
There are many me/na Christians who go to Greek churches, and are excited to have conversations about our cultural similarities.
And Greeks have a common brotherhood between Armenians and Assyrians, similar to the brotherhood between Greeks and Serbians.
I’m surprised you as a Greek have never heard of it or seen it,

If u lived in the balkans and then moved to the US u would then see it for urself. U can’t compere near easterners who had drastically different upbringing due to Islam and oriental Christianity to us who grew up under secularism.

That is why I contrasted (traditional) Greek culture from contemporary.
Nowadays Greeks and other Balkan groups are really just tryin hard to blend with the rest of Europe.

 

[Metamorph0sis]

her proportions are terrible, she's like 5ft1

built for bbc

 

[Marsiere214]

Well if you believe that Greeks had no interaction between me/na civilizations then you have no clue.
I’m seriously concerned as to why you believe Greeks only had contact with Thracians exclusively when Greeks were literally a dominant force throughout the Mediterranean and greater-Anatolia as well..

I never said they had no interactions with eastern civilizations what I’m saying is that their primary contact was with other European peoples.

That’s the over-generalization of Western academia.
If you read sources on your own you can come to your own conclusions I guess..

Lydians were native to Anatolia.
And “genetically European” is misleading because not all Europeans are genetically the same. DNA is also regional . A Greek is about as genetically distant from an Irishman as they are to a Syrian. Finns are genetically very distant form Sicilians..

so ur smarter than an academic who’s studied the subject for years on end? I highly doubt so. Europeans are a genetic cluster and that’s a fact whether u like it or not all major dna testing companies and research papers prove it.

Well if you believe that Greeks had no interaction between me/na civilizations then you have no clue.
I’m seriously concerned as to why you believe Greeks only had contact with Thracians exclusively when Greeks were literally a dominant force throughout the Mediterranean and greater-Anatolia as well..

That’s the over-generalization of Western academia.
If you read sources on your own you can come to your own conclusions I guess..

Lydians were native to Anatolia.
And “genetically European” is misleading because not all Europeans are genetically the same. DNA is also regional . A Greek is about as genetically distant from an Irishman as they are to a Syrian. Finns are genetically very distant form Sicilians.. and so on..
Lydians were genetically related specifically to Greeks, and not ‘Europeans’ as a whole.
In fact, Greeks and southern Italians are genetically closer to the Levant and greater-Anatolia than they are to northern/western Europeans, and this would include Lydians,
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the source is included at the top

That is true, mostly involved with themselves. And I do agree about the Thracians too. However you tremendously underestimate the involvement Greeks had with me/na civilizations as well.

Archaic Aegean styles were naturally similar to the styles of ancient me/na civilizations anyway,
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Greek to the left. Mesopotamian to the right.
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Greek to the left. Mesopotamian to the right.
Striking similarities.

The Mesopotamians, like the Greeks, also focused on human figures. They were not Abrahamic (i.e. Jewish or Muslim),
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However I will note that Greek art advanced tremendously beyond these archaic styles. Afterall, Greek civilization was a newer one compared to Mesopotamian.
The Greeks developed more realistic artwork later-on into the Classical and Hellenistic periods,
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As you can see, the earlier forms would have looked much similar to the ancient me/na types.

I never said these people were never involved with each other and u clearly are not able to define traditional Greek style. All art forms at one point used to be identical. My point is that for most of its history Greece had nothing to do with menas and those posts that ur trying to address were not written by me but straight up quotes from academics and there’s no way u know more than someone with a phd?
We in Greeks in Greece do not like Georgians or Armenians in fact they are in many cases seen as being worse than the mena migrants.

 

[whiteegyptian]

this egyptian girl would be considered ethnic and non white cuh muh muslim and cuh her country aint located in europe, but this fucking pakistani lookalike shitskin is white what a world we living in @Arthur the Egyptian

 

[Olivecel]

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[Olivecel]

I never said they had no interactions with eastern civilizations what I’m saying is that their primary contact was with other European peoples.

That also depends on which European peoples.
The Greeks had limited contact with barbarians of the north.
I think a better way to put it was the Greeks’ primary contact were with civilizations around the Mediterranean, which would have included some me/na civilizations as well as some European ones.

so ur smarter than an academic who’s studied the subject for years on end? I highly doubt so.

Any academic can make their own conclusions. I think their sources are accurate, but their labeling is subjective.
I am also a major in arts history (though that is soon changing because it will take me nowhere as far as a career these days).

Europeans are a genetic cluster and that’s a fact whether u like it or not all major dna testing companies and research papers prove it.

They are not. Greeks and southern Italians do not cluster with northern/western Europeans on nearly all studies..
Just to provide a couple study sources,
Rodriguez-Valera,
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Even a Greek geneticist, Lazaridis,
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When a geneticist concludes that Europe forms a cluster, this usually include Europe as well as me/na as a whole West-Eurasian cluster, because technically we are all ‘Caucasoid’ in the grand scheme.
But in more depth, all parts of Europe and the me/na form their own unique clusters.

All art forms at one point used to be identical.

Not true at all, unless you are going as far back as pre-historic ages.

My point is that for most of its history Greece had nothing to do with menas

You still deny even after all of the valid points and evidence I provided.
There’s no more hope. Agree to disagree from this point!

and those posts that ur trying to address were not written by me but straight up quotes from academics and there’s no way u know more than someone with a phd?

So I can provide quotes from other academic sources, with a phd, to prove my point as well.
This is why I stated that even the academics all have their own subjective conclusions.
Agree to disagree!

And much of what you provided is strictly from a political standpoint.
But about the societal culture? You are leaving out a huge part..
The attitude toward women, minorities, etc. Family structure and values. Communication..
All of these of Ancient Greek society would have resembled ancient me/na civilizations.

We in Greeks in Greece do not like Georgians or Armenians in fact they are in many cases seen as being worse than the mena migrants.

Well speaking abroad, Greeks and Armenians are like best friends. I can’t speak for Greece itself. As far as I know, Greeks in Greece are generally xenophobic toward all non-Greeks including their nearest Balkan neighbors who they are culturally similar to.

And that’s kinda ironic in Greece you say they do not like Georgians and Armenians considering a portion of the Greek population was imported from the Black Sea region near Armenia and Georgia

 

[Debetro]

Literally looks indonesian

Turanid like @hopecel

 

[Olivecel]

View attachment 3603927 this egyptian girl would be considered ethnic and non white cuh muh muslim and cuh her country aint located in europe, but this fucking pakistani lookalike shitskin is white what a world we living in @Arthur the Egyptian

The average Egyptian doesn’t look like that JFL.

 

[whiteegyptian]

The average Egyptian doesn’t look like that JFL.

i never said the average egyptian looks like that JFL. but white egyptians look way whiter then gayreek gypsies.

 

[Marsiere214]

Any academic can make their own conclusions. I think their sources are accurate, but their labeling is subjective.
I am also a major in arts history (though that is soon changing because it will take me nowhere as far as a career these days).

They are not. Greeks and southern Italians do not cluster with northern/western Europeans on nearly all studies..
Just to provide a couple study sources,


When a geneticist concludes that Europe forms a cluster, this usually include Europe as well as me/na as a whole West-Eurasian cluster, because technically we are all ‘Caucasoid’ in the grand scheme.
But in more depth, all parts of Europe and the me/na form their own unique clusters.



So I can provide quotes from other academic sources, with a phd, to prove my point as well.
This is why I stated that even the academics all have their own subjective conclusions.
Agree to disagree!

Well speaking abroad, Greeks and Armenians are like best friends. I can’t speak for Greece itself. As far as I know, Greeks in Greece are generally xenophobic toward all non-Greeks including their nearest Balkan neighbors who they are culturally similar to.

And that’s kinda ironic in Greece you say they do not like Georgians and Armenians considering a portion of the Greek population was imported from the Black Sea region near Armenia and Georgia

no greeks are fine with their balkan neighbors with the exception of the macedonians and albanians. Georgians are known as criminals in greece. very few greeks were imported from georgia and armenia the greeks we imported were from western anatolia.
European cluster does not include mena cluster in those studies unless ur talking about studies in America where they define people from pakistan as white. Y DNA studies show that Greeks cluster with other Europeans[c] and that they carry some of the oldest Y haplogroups in Europe, in particular the J2 haplogroup (and other J subhaplogroups) and E haplogroups, which are genetic markers denoting early farmers.[247][251][252][253]

 

[Olivecel]

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[Olivecel]

very few greeks were imported from georgia and armenia the greeks we imported were from western anatolia.

Thats bullshit. A decent portion of Thessaloniki has Pontic ancestry.

Georgians are known as criminals in greece.

Well that is in Greece.
As for Greeks abroad, we feel like Armenians are our best friends. We feel very familiar. Georgians we don’t have a lot in America so we don’t have an opinion.

Also keep in mind Greeks were also associated with crime in America throughout the 20th century as well as Italians.
Many Greeks immigrated to America illegally.

European cluster does not include mena cluster in those studies

They do.
Keep in mind they are zoomed in-depth. Zoom out and compare this to Asians, Africans and other parts of the world, we are a part of one large cluster..

Purple is Europe. Black is me/na

Blue is Europe. Red is me/na.

On both studies, Greeks are somewhere in between.

unless ur talking about studies in America

Nope. Both studies were done by Europeans.
Rodri-Valera are from Spain. Lazaridis is from Greece.

where they define people from pakistan as white.

JFL we do not define Pakistani as white. Pakistanis are defined as South Asian. White, or Caucasian, in America is defined as anybody with ancestry from Europe, North Africa or the Middle East.
Skin color is not anything to do with it, but rather skull structure and genetics.

Me/na people have been considered Caucasian for a long time, even in Europe,

Y DNA studies show that Greeks cluster with other Europeans[c] and that they carry some of the oldest Y haplogroups in Europe, in particular the J2 haplogroup (and other J subhaplogroups) and E haplogroups, which are genetic markers denoting early farmers.[247][251][252][253]

Those haplogroups are found throughout southern Europe, West Asia and North Africa. J and E are me/na types as well.
Northern/Western Europeans do not have them.
Previous Y-chromosome genetic studies of Phoenician colonization have demonstrated that haplogroup J2 frequency was amplified in regions containing the Phoenician colonies of Iberia and North Africa in comparison to areas not containing Phoenician colonies [7].
Y-chromosome studies have investigated the contribution of various Y haplogroups to the spread of farming from the Near East to Europe [8-10]. Haplogroup J2 frequency has been correlated with aspects of the symbolic material culture of the Neolithic in Europe and the Near East (painted pottery and ceramic figurines) [11] and sub-Haplogroups of J2 have also been associated with the Neolithic colonization of mainland Greece, Crete and southern Italy [12]. On

 

[Olivecel]

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[Marsiere214]

Thats bullshit. A decent portion of Thessaloniki has Pontic ancestry.

no they don’t they have Anatolian. Pontic Greeks are different from Anatolian Greeks

Thats bullshit. A decent portion of Thessaloniki has Pontic ancestry.



Well that is in Greece.
As for Greeks abroad, we feel like Armenians are our best friends. We feel very familiar. Georgians we don’t have a lot in America so we don’t have an opinion.


Keep in mind they are zoomed in-depth. Zoom out and compare this to Asians, Africans and other parts of the world, we are a part of one large cluster..

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Purple is Europe. Black is me/na
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Blue is Europe. Red is me/na.

On both studies, Greeks are somewhere in between.

Nope. Both studies were done by Europeans.
Rodri-Valera are from Spain. Lazaridis is from Greece.

JFL we do not define Pakistani as white. Pakistanis are defined as South Asian. White, or Caucasian, in America is defined as anybody with ancestry from Europe, North Africa or the Middle East.
Skin color is not anything to do with it, but rather skull structure and genetics.

nobody in Europe sees menas as European we see them the same thing as pakis and no one said that menas are close to Euros. Being close to Europe does not make u European.

Genetically, Greeks cluster closer to other European populations, particularly those in Southern Europe, rather than to MENA (Middle East and North Africa) populations.
Genetic studies using multiple autosomal, Y-DNA, and mtDNA markers, show that Greeks share similar backgrounds as the rest of the Europeans and especially Southern Europeans (Italians and Balkan populations such as Albanians, Slavic Macedonians and Romanians). A study in 2008 showed that Greeks are genetically closest to Italians and Romanians[257] and another 2008 study showed that they are close to Italians, Albanians, Romanians and southern Balkan Slavs such as Slavic Macedonians and Bulgarians.[258] A 2003 study showed that Greeks cluster with other South European (mainly Italians) and North-European populations and are close to the Basques,[259]and FST distances showed that they group with other European and Mediterranean populations,[260][261] especially with Italians (−0.0001) and Tuscans (0.0005).[262]

 

[Olivecel]

no they don’t they have Anatolian. Pontic Greeks are different from Anatolian Greeks

So where did the all the Pontic Greeks go? They are just mysteriously extinct?

nobody in Europe sees menas as European we see them the same thing as pakis and no one said that menas are close to Euros. Being close to Europe does not make u European.

Genetically, Greeks cluster closer to other European populations, particularly those in Southern Europe, rather than to MENA (Middle East and North Africa) populations.
Genetic studies using multiple autosomal, Y-DNA, and mtDNA markers, show that Greeks share similar backgrounds as the rest of the Europeans and especially Southern Europeans (Italians and Balkan populations such as Albanians, Slavic Macedonians and Romanians). A study in 2008 showed that Greeks are genetically closest to Italians and Romanians[257] and another 2008 study showed that they are close to Italians, Albanians, Romanians and southern Balkan Slavs such as Slavic Macedonians and Bulgarians.[258] A 2003 study showed that Greeks cluster with other South European (mainly Italians) and North-European populations and are close to the Basques,[259]and FST distances showed that they group with other European and Mediterranean populations,[260][261] especially with Italians (−0.0001) and Tuscans (0.0005).[262]

The closest populations to Greeks are indeed Italians, Albanians and Balkan Slavs.
However, it’s deeper than when you include the genetic distances between all human ethnic groups. For example, where exactly do Italians, Albanians and Greeks belong on a principal component analysis distance?
They form their own cluster somewhere in between Europe and the me/na,

And these would be the results if you mixed the distance between European samples and me/na samples,

You get results like Italians, Albanians and Greeks! As well as Ashkenazi unfortunately..

This is why I say. Europe is not one single race.

 

[hopecel]

DM me. We need to team up

to team up about what?

View attachment 3603927 this egyptian girl would be considered ethnic and non white cuh muh muslim and cuh her country aint located in europe, but this fucking pakistani lookalike shitskin is white what a world we living in @Arthur the Egyptian

can you fuck off with your racial identity crisis? idgaf about her blue eyes or pale skin, Europe is for Europeans and Middle East is for Middle Easterners

Turanid like @hopecel

I'm Dinarid you churka boi

 

[xnyozd]

jfl at the way she put that German lib-cuck in his natural place tfw there's tons of women with bigger ballz than many 'men' have

tagging Greekcels: @GreekGenes @TheVoidInside @Olivecel

shed get it

 

[hopecel]

didnt read but she's into bbc, sorry brah

fuck off cuck

i am whiter than her

so what?

*Hates brown people*
*is brown*
*uses culture and history as an excuse to be white and racist toward other browns*
=
Greeks

putting Greeks together with "other brown people" is equally retarded as putting them together with Nordics.. actually, as you know, those "other brown people" are their common enemy and that's what is she talking about

all Europeans are in danger of you know whom

her proportions are terrible, she's like 5ft1
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but gl enough to convince the 50 yo men with sub 90 IQ to vote for her

she fogs Marine Le Pen to oblivon tho

If that's "White" then I'm Nordic

she obviously isn't but she's still European

Idk who that is but Alice Weidel of the AfD fogs with her large green eyes
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she's lesbian + looks like a tranny

I think it doesn’t matter because all Balkan groups looked and behaved like Muslims anyway.
The history of Greeks and other Balkans is all the same as Islam.. constant war and tribal feuds, cousin marriage, turbans, gaudy patterns, oriental music and other stuff associated with the Middle East. So why the hate for Islam? I don’t know. Maybe it’s an excuse to “fit in with the West/white people” now.
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Because as far as theology goes, most Greeks don’t know in depth about Islam or even their own Christianity they just believe in propaganda and romanticist views of Western civilization. But the traditional Greek culture is more similar to Islam, not Western. Even the art, architecture, music, and chants in Islam has its roots in Greco-Byzantine tradition.

because Islam is hostile to Greece as you know

muh some common culture doesn't mean shit honestly

 

[whiteegyptian]

can you fuck off with your racial identity crisis? idgaf about her blue eyes or pale skin, Europe is for Europeans and Middle East is for Middle Easterners

brownest pajeet hands typed this, its ironic because me and @greycelzoomer are whiter then 99% of this forum, yet brownoids have audacity to call us ethnic

 

[hopecel]

brownest pajeet hands typed this, its ironic because me and @greycelzoomer are whiter then 99% of this forum, yet brownoids have audacity to call us ethnic

you are ethnic and so am I

 

[whiteegyptian]

you are ethnic and so am I

difference between me and you. don't group me in with you, please

 

[hopecel]

difference between me and you. don't group me in with you, please

I'm slightly darker than you but it's not a big difference

anyway it's not about skin colour, sir

 

[whiteegyptian]

I'm slightly darker than you but it's not a big difference

anyway it's not about skin colour, sir

dude it is about coloring, if you have white features + white skin, you are WHITE, if you are born in europe, christian, speak a european language, you are european.

 

[hopecel]

dude it is about coloring, if you have white features + white skin, you are WHITE, if you are born in europe, christian, speak a european language, you are european.

I'm European but I'm not white

 

[whiteegyptian]

I'm European but I'm not white

i'm white and not european, where are you from in europe btw?

 

[hopecel]

i'm white and not european, where are you from in europe btw?

Balkan

 

[sigma boii]

i'm white and not european

 

[FiendFiend]

jfl at the way she put that German lib-cuck in his natural place tfw there's tons of women with bigger ballz than many 'men' have

tagging Greekcels: @GreekGenes @TheVoidInside @Olivecel

white aryan cock only

 

[hopecel]

white aryan cock only

keep dreaming

 

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[hopecel]

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my fantasy @sigma boii