Rate me -16, around 20%bf.

[futile_bob2008]

Brutal assymetrys

 

[futile_bob2008]

5'9 fyi (brutal)

 

[Zephyr.psl]

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low to mid mtn

 

[panah.030]

low to mid mtn

If he mid Mtn I’m htn

 

[Zephyr.psl]

If he mid Mtn I’m htn

what is he then, he looks pretty average to me?

 

[panah.030]

what is he then, he looks pretty average to me?

I’m an Mid-High Mtn and 6ft at 13 y/o
He prolly like high Ltn

 

[Zephyr.psl]

I’m an Mid-High Mtn and 6ft at 13 y/o
He prolly like high Ltn

buddy your not high mtn, bro mogs no one. Get deported back to mexico

 

[ImVerySorry]

I’m an Mid-High Mtn and 6ft at 13 y/o
He prolly like high Ltn

 

[AleXanderTheKhan]

you look mature

 

[futile_bob2008]

I’m an Mid-High Mtn and 6ft at 13 y/o
He prolly like high Ltn

Sorry bro I mog you now and back when I wasn't dihpressed

 

[panah.030]

Sorry bro I mog you now and back when I wasn't dihpressed

How old r u?and I don’t think that u mog me becuz ur eye area shitted in but ur Bones are good

 

[panah.030]

buddy your not high mtn, bro mogs no one. Get deported back to mexico

I do and I’m not from mexico

 

[futile_bob2008]

How old r u?and I don’t think that u mog me becuz ur eye area shitted in but ur Bones are good

In the title. And you are truly delusional.

 

[Ogionth]

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One of the most forward grown maxillas I've ever seen on here btw.

But the rest of your features aren't as good.

 

[Zephyr.psl]

How old r u?and I don’t think that u mog me becuz ur eye area shitted in but ur Bones are good

My eye area is actually good, better than yours. I also have green eyes. I mog in every category

 

[SaintDarktriad]

Imo M-MTN with good potential. Realistically for now you can clear up your skin. Other than that the only changes I made was a more defined chin and a straighter nose and a slightly more defined jawline. Hope all goes well for you, gl

 

[futile_bob2008]

Imo M-MTN with good potential. Realistically for now you can clear up your skin. Other than that the only changes I made was a more defined chin and a straighter nose and a slightly more defined jawline. Hope all goes well for you, gl



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Nice morph man, preciate you.

 

[whitesubhuman]

if only his eyes were blessed

 

[Diego11]

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good base bro try and cut down bdf

 

[sawyerbaal]

rate

low to mid mtn

me

 

[zemult]

One of the most forward grown maxillas I've ever seen on here btw.

But the rest of your features aren't as good.

It only looks that way because of the lack of frontal bone projection.

Fucks with his convexity and gives him a dogmaxxed sort of look.

It's especially visible in this picture:

 

[Ogionth]

It only looks that way because of the lack of frontal bone projection.

Fucks with his convexity and gives him a dogmaxxed sort of look.

It's especially visible in this picture:

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I don't measure through convexity, I measure through maxillary triangle - which does not get affected by the browridge / frontal bone.

His maxilla is very forward grown, whether or not the frontal bone is taken into consideration.

 

[zemult]

I don't measure through convexity, I measure through maxillary triangle - which does not get affected by the browridge / frontal bone.

His maxilla is very forward grown, whether or not the frontal bone is taken into consideration.

Yes, the maxilla is too forwardly grown in comparison to his frontal bone - which is actually a flaw in itself.

He would look less dogmaxxed if his frontal bone was projected further, or he was actually less forwardly grown.

 

[Ogionth]

Yes, the maxilla is too forwardly grown in comparison to his frontal bone - which is actually a flaw in itself.

He would look less dogmaxxed if his frontal bone was projected further, or he was actually less forwardly grown.

It's not his frontal bone's growth that affects his "dogmaxxing" - it's the slope and the angle it makes relative to the floor or horizontal plane.

Which although is a flaw but isn't a major flaw whereas decreasing his forward growth would produce a major flaw.

Even if the slope is not fixed, just fixing other features like Chin, Cheekbones etc would make him look better and they're far easier to treat than a "recessed maxilla" anyway so he's lucky and could look good but his eyes and mouth

 

[ShowerCelling]

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htn

 

[zemult]

It's not his frontal bone's growth that affects his "dogmaxxing" - it's the slope and the angle it makes relative to the floor or horizontal plane.

Which although is a flaw but isn't a major flaw whereas decreasing his forward growth would produce a major flaw.

Even if the slope is not fixed, just fixing other features like Chin, Cheekbones etc would make him look better and they're far easier to treat than a "recessed maxilla" anyway so he's lucky and could look good but his eyes and mouth

I think you're downplaying the frontal bone's role here greatly (and facial convexity itself).

Here's something I docked in photoshop with just using Liquify:

Simply just projecting the frontal bone forward loses most of that "dogmaxxed" look.

Although this is impractical to ever have surgically done, unless you wanna get Monobloc surgery (even more of a meme than Lefort 3).

 

[Ogionth]

I think you're downplaying the frontal bone's role here greatly (and facial convexity itself).

Here's something I docked in photoshop with just using Liquify:

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Simply just projecting the frontal bone forward loses most of that "dogmaxxed" look.

Although this is impractical to ever have surgically done, unless you wanna get Monobloc surgery (even more of a meme than Lefort 3).

I never claimed that projecting the frontal bone wouldn't improve his looks but that the main FAILO is - the slope of his forehead relative to the horizontal plane.

If that is fixed then the dogmaxxed look automatically doesn't look as intense.

And the reason why I didn't even consider is said by you, yourself *impractical*.



PS, my comments weren't even related to the frontal bone at all - whether it is a failo or not.


1. I said his maxilla was very forward grown (good thing)

2. You claimed that his maxilla wasn't as forward grown as it seemed but it was because of his frontal bone.

3. I refuted your claim as the maxilla was measured thru the maxillary triangle that does not take frontal bone into consideration.

Here, the discussion should've ended but somehow you concluded that I was arguing abt frontal bone?

 

[zemult]

I never claimed that projecting the frontal bone wouldn't improve his looks but that the main FAILO is - the slope of his forehead relative to the horizontal plane.

If that is fixed then the dogmaxxed look automatically doesn't look as intense.

And the reason why I didn't even consider is said by you, yourself *impractical*.



PS, my comments weren't even related to the frontal bone at all - whether it is a failo or not.


1. I said his maxilla was very forward grown (good thing)

2. You claimed that his maxilla wasn't as forward grown as it seemed but it was because of his frontal bone.

3. I refuted your claim as the maxilla was measured thru the maxillary triangle that does not take frontal bone into consideration.

Here, the discussion should've ended but somehow you concluded that I was arguing abt frontal bone?

Except his maxilla being very forwardly grown isn't a good thing for aesthetics, and can only be resolved via Monobloc which is a more meme surgery than Lefort 3.

Which is what I am objecting you on to have this conversation.

 

[Ogionth]

Except his maxilla being very forwardly grown isn't a good thing for aesthetics, and can only be resolved via Monobloc which is a more meme surgery than Lefort 3.

It's not as forward grown as you think.

It's forward grown, BUT not to a level that'd be a failo to his looks.


As I argued earlier, you may think it is forward grown excessively and thus hinders his aesthetics but do you know why you think so?

Because of the rest of his features as I argued earlier, let's morph him with a better forehead slope and chin and see.

I didn't even morph his frontal bone projection better, and you can, but that again is in my favor that his maxillary projection alone is a halo - but combined with other features that are not ideal, it may create a perception of being too excessive and that's what has happened here.

 

[zemult]

It's not as forward grown as you think.

It's forward grown, BUT not to a level that'd be a failo to his looks.


As I argued earlier, you may think it is forward grown excessively and thus hinders his aesthetics but do you know why you think so?

Because of the rest of his features as I argued earlier, let's morph him with a better forehead slope and chin and see.


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I didn't even morph his frontal bone projection better, and you can, but that again is in my favor that his maxillary projection alone is a halo - but combined with other features that are not ideal, it may create a perception of being too excessive and that's what has happened here.

Agree to disagree, I personally think he'd benefit from more average-range maxilla growth.

You need to have good frontal bone projection to balance the effect of a more forwardly grown maxilla, otherwise you run into this issue

 

[Ogionth]

Agree to disagree, I personally think he'd benefit from more average-range maxilla growth.

My argument disagreed w this, and it was proved in the morphs - reducing his maxillary growth will affect him more than you currently think, it does.

I don't really support the "agree to disagree" thing as there is only one absolute truth here, however since you want it - I will stop arguing then

You need to have good frontal bone projection to balance the effect of a more forwardly grown maxilla, otherwise you run into this issue

My argument didn't disagree with this, and infact reinforced this.

 

[zemult]

My argument disagreed w this, and it was proved in the morphs - reducing his maxillary growth will affect him more than you currently think, it does.

I don't really support the "agree to disagree" thing as there is only one absolute truth here, however since you want it - I will stop arguing then

My argument didn't disagree with this, and infact reinforced this.

There is no "absolute truth" here, it's two autists on a Looksmax forum using a random side profile picture from a teenager to argue which morph they think looks better and what they think the ideal maxilla is.

No actual scientific evidence to support what we are saying.

 

[Ogionth]

There is no "absolute truth" here, it's two autists on a Looksmax forum using a random side profile picture from a teenager to argue which morph they think looks better and what they think the ideal maxilla is.

Speak for yourself sir, I have never shown any autsitic features. But I'm gonna take that as a joke haha.

No actual scientific evidence to support what we are saying.

There is scientific evidence actually, if you google the definition of "science" then compare that with the idea of "morphs" and "subconciously analyzing which one looks better", you'll see how this is scientific.

 

[zemult]

Speak for yourself sir, I have never shown any autsitic features. But I'm gonna take that as a joke haha.

There is scientific evidence actually, if you google the definition of "science" then compare that with the idea of "morphs" and "subconciously analyzing which one looks better", you'll see how this is scientific.

Is there a study that proves your argument that his maxilla's forward growth isn't a problem and it's his chin / forehead shape instead?

Is there a study that proves my argument?

No.

There is two differing opinions. Not one answer. It's all speculations from our view of aesthetics. There has not been one scientific study proving either of our arguments.

Unless you're referring to looking at a morph and seeing which one looks better, but this isn't objective because all of our perspectives are biased and warped in some sort of way.

Beauty is objective. But what we think makes beauty is subjective.

 

[Ogionth]

Is there a study that proves your argument that his maxilla's forward growth isn't a problem and it's his chin / forehead shape instead?

"There isn't a problem" in here, therefore it doesn't need a specific study, it's not like he's skeletally retarded if ykwim. We're talking about aesthetics, now me and you have somewhat read how facial aesthetics can be objectively measured, moreover we use our subconcious ability to measure attractiveness and the "experimentation" through morphs helped us with "observation" to finally reach a *conclusion* which is enough of the scientific method for us to deduce something and not need a "specific study" to tell us.

You've not read scientific books, have you? How come you think we need scientists to do a specific study for us to deduce knowledge like this after there has been tons of studies already regarding facial atteactiveness.

"Our perspective makes it subjective"

The morph clearly proved my point and someone who isn't mentally retarded (Like you) would look at the pictures once, then at my text and deduce that it makes sense.

 

[protomogger9873]

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Good bone structure (implied from side profile). You need to stop beign a fat retard and cut down to 15% minimum (12% preferably)

 

[zemult]

"There isn't a problem" in here, therefore it doesn't need a specific study, it's not like he's skeletally retarded if ykwim. We're talking about aesthetics, now me and you have somewhat read how facial aesthetics can be objectively measured, moreover we use our subconcious ability to measure attractiveness and the "experimentation" through morphs helped us with "observation" to finally reach a *conclusion* which is enough of the scientific method for us to deduce something and not need a "specific study" to tell us.

You've not read scientific books, have you? How come you think we need scientists to do a specific study for us to deduce knowledge like this after there has been tons of studies already regarding facial atteactiveness.

"Our perspective makes it subjective"

The morph clearly proved my point and someone who isn't mentally retarded (Like you) would look at the pictures once, then at my text and deduce that it makes sense.

Yes but the concept of "morphs" is still subjective, there's plenty of outcomes which become mixed on this forum. It's not like somebody makes a morph and 100% of the male users are like "this looks better". Scientific studies are supposed to control for this bias and create objectivity, having a poll of women decide which looks better or which doesn't.

Although I will say, I don't disagree with your morph - his forehead shape and chin isn't ideal. However, I still don't think this covers for the dogmax falio, the picture you used the dogmax doesn't seem as visible as the other one due to the angle of the photo. I'd be curious how it'd look if you tried the same on the other side profile picture that was provided.

Due to the more strong chin, his total facial convexity is even more out of the ideal range now.

 

[Ogionth]

Yes but the concept of "morphs" is still subjective, there's plenty of outcomes which become mixed on this forum. It's not like somebody makes a morph and 100% of the male users are like "this looks better". Scientific studies are supposed to control for this bias and create objectivity, having a poll of women decide which looks better or which doesn't.

No, lmfao, it isn't as subjective as you think, morphs are just actual faces - and you're telling me, you can tell the difference between Salludon And Opry even tho they look similar but SOMEHOW now you need a specific study for 2 different morphs

Are you kidding me? Your time spent on here is clearly a waste if you couldn't differentiate between which of those two morphs looked better, I mean come on - even someone who hasn't studied facial aesthetics would be able to know just by the judge of their subconcious.

If your aim was to not accept the truth but just argue for the sake of arguing, then you should've told me earlier, why bring such tiredness upon me to try and explain to you what I meant?

Although I will say, I don't disagree with your morph - his forehead shape and chin isn't ideal.

I never claimed it was "ideal" but that it looked better than before and the supposed changes that I claimed that they would make him look better, infact made him look better, do you even read my arguments?

However, I still don't think this covers for the dogmax falio, the picture you used the dogmax doesn't seem as visible as the other one due to the angle of the photo.

Oh come on man , the "before" morph looked dogmaxxed even tho the angle is the same as in the "after" morph. Are you doing this on purpose lol?

I'd be curious how it'd look if you tried the same on the other side profile picture that was provided.

[Side Note : Morphing more frontal bone growth can be done too, and I've said many times that - it doesn't go against my argument but I'm stating it again and asking you to not misconstrue it again]

Due to the more strong chin, his total facial convexity is even more out of the ideal range now.

Doesn't take the fact away that it looks better and certainly, it does unless you're clearly trying to ragebait me.

 

[debonss]

I’m an Mid-High Mtn and 6ft at 13 y/o
He prolly like high Ltn

hmtn in the slums of mexico

 

[zemult]

No, lmfao, it isn't as subjective as you think, morphs are just actual faces - and you're telling me, you can tell the difference between Salludon And Opry even tho they look similar but SOMEHOW now you need a specific study for 2 different morphs

Are you kidding me? Your time spent on here is clearly a waste if you couldn't differentiate between which of those two morphs looked better, I mean come on - even someone who hasn't studied facial aesthetics would be able to know just by the judge of their subconcious.

If your aim was to not accept the truth but just argue for the sake of arguing, then you should've told me earlier, why bring such tiredness upon me to try and explain to you what I meant?

I never claimed it was "ideal" but that it looked better than before and the supposed changes that I claimed that they would make him look better, infact made him look better, do you even read my arguments?


Oh come on man , the "before" morph looked dogmaxxed even tho the angle is the same as in the "after" morph. Are you doing this on purpose lol?

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Doesn't take the fact away that it looks better and certainly, it does unless you're clearly trying to ragebait me.

He still looks dogmaxxed. All I made was the argument that too much forward growth isn't a good thing, which you yourself agree with. But the first "benefit" you were driving home as focal points for his face was the forward growth.

But jfl at you thinking all of what you're saying is 100% objective. This mere argument proves this as false. And so does any other morph argument on this forum.

Just agree to disagree, bro.

 

[Ogionth]

He still looks dogmaxxed. All I made was the argument that too much forward growth isn't a good thing,

I don't think you even understand the argument to begin with lol, go on increase his frontal bone growth, that'll make him look even better and maybe convince you that he doesn't look dogmaxxed anymore but that also is in my favor and you'll end up accepting what I said.


Actually, let me do you the favor.

muh dogmaxxed

which you yourself agree with

I do but not in his case.

. But the first "benefit" you were driving home as focal points for his face was the forward growth.

? I've never backed off, I stand by it and the morphs clearly proved it

But jfl at you thinking all of what you're saying is 100% objective. This mere argument proves this as false. And so does any other morph argument on this forum.

?

You're just spewing non-sensical statements with no evidence now, while everything I've spoken was backed up.

Just refrain from using nonsensical remarks and arguments if you cannot do actual ones, it kinda destroys the mutual respect.

Just agree to disagree, bro.

 

[AronnMtn]

How old r u?and I don’t think that u mog me becuz ur eye area shitted in but ur Bones are good

eye area shitted

 

[futile_bob2008]

I think you're downplaying the frontal bone's role here greatly (and facial convexity itself).

Here's something I docked in photoshop with just using Liquify:

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Simply just projecting the frontal bone forward loses most of that "dogmaxxed" look.

Although this is impractical to ever have surgically done, unless you wanna get Monobloc surgery (even more of a meme than Lefort 3).

Would a brow ridge implants create a similar effect?

 

[panah.030]

In the title. And you are truly delusional.

Nigga no

 

[panah.030]

hmtn in the slums of mexico

then show me a hmtn

 

[AuggyDauggy]

I’m an Mid-High Mtn and 6ft at 13 y/o
He prolly like high Ltn

you don't look better than him bro

 

[panah.030]

you don't look better than him bro

Show me Hmtn example

 

[panah.030]

Show me Hmtn example

you don't look better than him bro

I do

 

[AuggyDauggy]

I do

you don't. stop being so narcy bud.

 

[panah.030]

you don't. stop being so narcy bud.

Show me Hmtn