Rate my first cycle (17)

[dgn.b]

My goal : gain lean muscle while losing fat
Cycle
Test E : 250mg
Primo : 300-400 mg
cycled for 12 weeks AI if needed.

Pct:
Nolvadex,clomid
40mg for 2 weeks 20 mg for 2 weeks

What can i expect from this cycle.
I tried to make it low risk.
And depending on my goals,is this cycle better than a rad and mk cycle?
And what should i expect(how much muscle gain,side effects)

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

don't take primo in first cycle.

Just do Test E 500mg per week (250 mon, 250 thu)
Maybe var or adrol 50mg ed

yes this is way better than rad and mk cycle wtf

10-15lbs of lean body mass from this on average.

 

[dgn.b]

don't take primo in first cycle.

Can you explain?I want to know why.

Just do Test E 500mg per week (250 mon, 250 thu)
Maybe var or adrol 50mg ed

Isnt this too much test?I dont want to get too surpressed.Or completely shrink my balls

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

Isnt this too much test?I dont want to get too surpressed.Or completely shrink my balls

You will get mostly supressed even from 100-150mg.
Primo will shut down your test just as well as actual exogenous test.
There is no difference in shutdown between 300 and 500.
500mg is low dosage.

Can you explain?I want to know why.

When you add another compound you get another side effect. You need another pill or shot to counter that side effect. All that when you don't even know how your body responds to just test, or how and when to take AI with test.

 

[dgn.b]

You will get mostly supressed even from 100-150mg.
Primo will shut down your test just as well as actual exogenous test.
There is no difference in shutdown between 300 and 500.
500mg is low dosage.


When you add another compound you get another side effect. You need another pill or shot to counter that side effect. All that when you don't even know how your body responds to just test, or how and when to take AI with test.

Thanks.
I will take 500 mg test e,AI if needed then.
And a good pct.
Can i add anavar after 4 weeks just to test it out?Btw im only planning on doing 1 cycle and thats it.I know i sound dumb but thats just better for me.Can i get good gains so i dont have to cycle again?I want to just do this and end it with this.

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

Can i add anavar after 4 weeks just to test it out?Btw im only planning on doing 1 cycle and thats it.I know i sound dumb but thats just better for me.Can i get good gains so i dont have to cycle again?I want to just do this and end it with this.

You will most likely be able to retain all the gains from the first mild cycle. But then aim for a very good PCT and do blood work. Read more on r/steroids wiki

generally people are able to retain their natural potential (24FFMI give or take) that they've gained on roids. If you took it further and let's say you are 20lbs over your natural potential, so you are closer to 26FFMI (that's usually after 3-4 cycles), then you will most likely lose those 20lbs and fall back to 24FFMI.

 

[Rando [maxer]]

If you do 12 weeks use test P you will saturate way faster, normally 16 week is better to achieve best results. Also if you worry about supression do 250iu hcg twice a week it‘l keep your balls ,,awake‘‘ and prevents atrophy in leydig cells.

 

[Evgeniy291]

My goal : gain lean muscle while losing fat
Cycle
Test E : 250mg
Primo : 300-400 mg
cycled for 12 weeks AI if needed.

Pct:
Nolvadex,clomid
40mg for 2 weeks 20 mg for 2 weeks

What can i expect from this cycle.
I tried to make it low risk.
And depending on my goals,is this cycle better than a rad and mk cycle?
And what should i expect(how much muscle gain,side effects)

GPT slop

Test E 300mg a week and potentially anavar for first 4 weeks

Won’t recommend to cycle if u won’t cruise after that

 

[Evgeniy291]

don't take primo in first cycle.

Just do Test E 500mg per week (250 mon, 250 thu)
Maybe var or adrol 50mg ed

yes this is way better than rad and mk cycle wtf

10-15lbs of lean body mass from this on average.

Taking 500 test is the biggest mistake every looksmaxxer makes

 

[Evgeniy291]

Can you explain?I want to know why.

How about you at least google up primo to
1. Find out that the price is going to be around 500$ for barely any gains
2. That no one has promo due to some problems manufacturers have in china

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

Taking 500 test is the biggest mistake every looksmaxxer makes

agreed 1g EOD or death

 

[dgn.b]

Taking 500 test is the biggest mistake every looksmaxxer makes

Why would that be?What do you recommend?

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

GPT slop

Test E 300mg a week and potentially anavar for first 4 weeks

Won’t recommend to cycle if u won’t cruise after that

Why 300. It's too low. Basically verge of TRT. It's pointless, the sides are almost even between the dosages. Both will shut down natural T production. But 500 will give like 1.25-1.5x more gains.
300 works if you want to hop on "Sport TRT" for a long time, cycling 300 solo doesn't make any sense to me

 

[dgn.b]

GPT slop

Test E 300mg a week and potentially anavar for first 4 weeks

Won’t recommend to cycle if u won’t cruise after that

Some guys use primo at my gym and they said its really low risk compared to almost everything thats why i wanted to ask

 

[Evgeniy291]

Why would that be?What do you recommend?

You don’t even notice how much it bloats you until you come off, not even diuretics will make your face truly lean

Keep test at 300 and if needed add another compound that won’t bloat you

 

[Copercel]

My goal : gain lean muscle while losing fat
Cycle
Test E : 250mg
Primo : 300-400 mg
cycled for 12 weeks AI if needed.

Pct:
Nolvadex,clomid
40mg for 2 weeks 20 mg for 2 weeks

What can i expect from this cycle.
I tried to make it low risk.
And depending on my goals,is this cycle better than a rad and mk cycle?
And what should i expect(how much muscle gain,side effects)

You don’t need PCT.

Dont expect much.

Yes of course its better than a MK and rad cycle JFL.

Not much muscle gain, but you will se a significant change in your physique overall.

 

[Copercel]

Taking 500 test is the biggest mistake every looksmaxxer makes

wtf are you talking about.

 

[Evgeniy291]

Some guys use primo at my gym and they said its really low risk compared to almost everything thats why i wanted to ask

It’s also the most expensive and the least potent for muscle growth.
Also potentially one of the least hair safe steroids with a potential to fuck up ur skin

 

[Evgeniy291]

wtf are you talking about.

I already replied 2 messages above

 

[dgn.b]

You don’t even notice how much it bloats you until you come off, not even diuretics will make your face truly lean

Keep test at 300 and if needed add another compound that won’t bloat you

Do i need hcg?

 

[Copercel]

You don’t even notice how much it bloats you until you come off, not even diuretics will make your face truly lean

Keep test at 300 and if needed add another compound that won’t bloat you

Use AI and a amiloride. I’m on amiloride now and I’m not bloated at all.

 

[dgn.b]

Use AI and a amiloride. I’m on amiloride now and I’m not bloated at all.

If you are on 500 test do you think its worth it?

 

[Copercel]

If you are on 500 test do you think its worth it?

It’s the perfect dose imo

 

[Evgeniy291]

Do i need hcg?

Depends if u wanna cruise afterwards but I wouldn’t recommend u not to

 

[Evgeniy291]

Use AI and a amiloride. I’m on amiloride now and I’m not bloated at all.

I wss using 0.5 adex eod which got me to 15-20 e2, and was using hctz 50mg e3d

even with all of that I just looked normal, I came off recently and on the second week of being on trt I notice a drastic change in facial leanness even when I stopped taking hctz

 

[Copercel]

I wss using 0.5 adex eod which got me to 15-20 e2, and was using hctz 50mg e3d

even with all of that I just looked normal, I came off recently and on the second week of being on trt I notice a drastic change in facial leanness even when I stopped taking hctz

Amiloride is better than hctz for test-bloat specifically.

 

[Evgeniy291]

Amiloride is better than hctz for test-bloat specifically.

how come? Isn’t hctz more potent

 

[Copercel]

how come? Isn’t hctz more potent

Because test bloat is not mainly from water retention but from RAAS increase and hctz doesn’t block it.

 

[slaters]

Primo is shittttttttttt