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[Anonymous10]

130 for 5'8 is low. You need to eat more.

Calorie intake doesn't matter, fat is relatively useless. Carbs for energy, protein for muscle building. Should be .7-1g per LB of bodyweight. Whey, canned tuna, chicken breast, eggs, lean beef ground or otherwise. Complex carbs, beans, brown rice, bread, pasta, potatoes. For the underweight in need of instant energy, table sugar, orange juice, fruits. Sugars are simple carbs. Easier to digest. eating only sugar + pinning HGH will stress your pancreas and high blood sugar (diabetes.)

Carbs before workout for energy, protein after for nutrition. If you eat enough carbs and not enough protein you will have enough energy but literally will not grow because HGH requires protein to function. If you eat enough protein and not enough carbs your body will inefficiently turn that protein into energy instead of using it to grow.

>Im pretty skinny and have an 18 inch bidelt so hopefully it helps with muscle mass too (been gymcelling for 1.5yrs with not much results) lmk what you guys think.

If no gains you are either undereating (this is probably it) or exercises are not high intensity enough. For specific muscle group, go till failure or 1-2 RIR (reps in reserve.) meaning, exercise until specific muscle group is 1-2 reps away from failure. RIR is scientifically proven to be better for recovery and thus muscle growth but I typically go till failure to be *certain* I am doing enough to stimulate muscle growth

Ideal rep range is 6-8. Ideally, you would just put as much stress on the muscle group as possible and only do 2-3 reps, but the odds of injury doing this are high and if you get injured you have to stop cycling so its not worth it.

The 3 contractions that stimulate growth

1. Concentric. Lift the weight, response should be "explosive." not necessarily fast, but explosive.
2. Static. muscular tension in stasis. You fail a pushup, instead of immediately collapsing, try to keep that "failed intermediary" pushup form until your muscles fail. So static contraction comes after concentric failure.
3. Eccentric. This comes after Concentric and static. Its the slower, controlled lowering of the weight (if you are doing bicep curls or something.) It can also come after static failure.

People who lift the weight, and don't control the "lowering" of the weight are missing half the rep. People who do high volume low intensity exercises are essentially doing cardio. 400 pushups a day is an inefficient way to get abs.


>HGH 5IUS daily
exemestine 12.5mg eod
Testosterone 300mg weekly
HCG 250IU 3x a week on cycle
Enclomiphene 12.5mg on cycle

ur AI use will depend on what you want your E to be. Get estradiol bloodtest for like $30 and increase or decrease the dosage depending on your levels. 10-40 is the average range.

Can also sperm test since fertility is a concern. Low sperm is only moderately associated with miscarriage but something like DNA fragmentation (ur sperm has broken or damaged DNA in it) is highly correlated to miscarriage

5iu HGH good. body's response plateaus at around 6-8. Can up dose if you want

750 HCG/wk is good. If you are concerned you can up it to 1k.
300mg test should put you north of 2000ng/dl which will give you results. Pin 150mg Mon Thurs, the half life is 4-5 days.
enclo is worse than HCG for preserving fertility. Could half the dose and lean more on HCG. either way, should be fine.



Yes, the two are mildly correlated. Also having kids isn't a roulette spin wife is either ovulating or shes not. FAMs are about 77%–98% effective



Gear will both age and masculinize your face.


Anavar is the only good oral steroid, especially for bones. You can run 30-40mg ED for 6wks with very minimal side effects if any. TUDCA or Milkthistle for liver support.



You will lose more hair on HGH and T. Testosterone produces DHT which will make your dick bigger, voice deeper, more bonemass and hair on face, but will cause hairloss. Ik a lot of people on the forum really like to systemically NUKE DHT but I think thats retarded. Topical dutasteride. Ketoconazole shampoo 3x/wk, RU58841 Peptide, topical minoxidil + derma roller to grow hair back. DHT is the primary cause of hair loss in men.

thanks for the long respnse, read every single molecule. Ill get bloodwork done to see my dht levels and then take measures to try to get it in the normal-low range. Aromasin i want to be 10-20 to keep growth plates from fusing as long as possible, which is why im taking 12.5mg eod atm, and when i get on test ill up the dosage. Ill combine it with a low dose of anavar too, for extra muscle gains. Im heavily considering going to 500mg, seeing as i have lots of pct. but it could cause shutdown so lmk if i should do that or not. I would run hmg the whole time but its too expensive so ill run hcg and then hmg only post cycle, along with enclo. Im only running enclo since i used to take just enclo so i have two bottles left over, and if it helped in any way id want to take it.

Tbh yeah im pretty skinny, I train pretty much every set to failure, 4sets per muscle hroup, upper lower split, and I eat a bunch, but typically I just gain fat, with little to no muscle gain at all. My issue is likely overtraining, as I typically do boxing(2-3x weekly), taekwondo (3-4x weekly), and then the gym (5x weekly) so definitely toning down the training would help. But tbh ive only been eating in a surplus for 2 momths, and used to go to the gym 7x weekly on the bro split, so i was overtraining for a while too.
Thanks for all your help too, its greatly appreciated

 

[aids]

yeah im probably gonna do 500mg test since i have so much pct

It's your first cycle, at 16, retard. Stop going gung-ho. You will notice great gains from just a moderate dose of test.
"muh im an idiot that can be easily influenced by random tards on org so let me just blindly follow their advice".

 

[aids]

thanks for the long respnse, read every single molecule. Ill get bloodwork done to see my dht levels and then take measures to try to get it in the normal-low range. Aromasin i want to be 10-20 to keep growth plates from fusing as long as possible, which is why im taking 12.5mg eod atm, and when i get on test ill up the dosage. Ill combine it with a low dose of anavar too, for extra muscle gains. Im heavily considering going to 500mg, seeing as i have lots of pct. but it could cause shutdown so lmk if i should do that or not. I would run hmg the whole time but its too expensive so ill run hcg and then hmg only post cycle, along with enclo. Im only running enclo since i used to take just enclo so i have two bottles left over, and if it helped in any way id want to take it.

Tbh yeah im pretty skinny, I train pretty much every set to failure, 4sets per muscle hroup, upper lower split, and I eat a bunch, but typically I just gain fat, with little to no muscle gain at all. My issue is likely overtraining, as I typically do boxing(2-3x weekly), taekwondo (3-4x weekly), and then the gym (5x weekly) so definitely toning down the training would help. But tbh ive only been eating in a surplus for 2 momths, and used to go to the gym 7x weekly on the bro split, so i was overtraining for a while too.
Thanks for all your help too, its greatly appreciated

DNR'd it because dude said calorie intake doesn't matter immediately following telling you that you were too light, for which you would want to eat more calories. (??? )

 

[Anonymous10]

DNR'd it because dude said calorie intake doesn't matter immediately following telling you that you were too light, for which you would want to eat more calories. (??? )

thats the only part i dont agree with him on, which is okay. Ill eat in a big surplus bc ill be running gear, and he gave other really good advice.

 

[aids]

thats the only part i dont agree with him on, which is okay. Ill eat in a big surplus bc ill be running gear, and he gave other really good advice.

His advice is surface-level, wrong, and/or not particular to your scenario.
DNR the lifting advice bullshit, don't deep it. This is a thread discussing pharmaceuticals, not whether you should eat tuna or chicken.

Pinning frequency depends entirely on ester, which is omitted from your thread. Ideally you pin EVERY DAY, regardless of ester, to aromatise the least, to maintain stable testosterone levels, but it is increasingly important the shorter the half-life of the ester you're taking.
No, you can't just pin 150mg on Monday and Thursday, and hope for the best.
Even on enanthate (probably what you're using), pinning twice a week is unideal.

Yes, HCG will mimic LH effectively increasing spermatogenesis but shouldn't be used PCT since it effectively bypasses the pituitary to produce testosterone. It will only prolong suppression to take HCG since your body will not be naturally producing LH nor FSH which HCG does not even mimic.
Sure, great to use on-cycle to maintain high testosterone levels in the testes and help with fertility + accelerating your PCT, but never as PCT.

Yes, Enclo is worse than HCG for preserving fertility on-cycle, because the entire premise of Enclo as a SERM is to bind to estrogen receptors in your pituitary to block it from suppressing the release of LH/FSH. More LH/FSH, more endogenous testosterone production. This is specifically on-cycle that you shouldn't take Enclomiphene because taking testosterone will cause suppression regardless. It's like taking a medication to lower blood pressure and raise blood pressure at the same time, it's completely redundant to take one of them because it contradicts the use of the other. You also don't want to take Enclo for an extended period (like 6 months) because you can desensitize your estrogen receptors and have symptoms of low E2, even with high E2.
Take HCG towards the end of your cycle, take Enclo post-cycle. Simple.

Anavar as the only good oral is a joke, unless his interpretation of a "good" oral is that it is not very hepatotoxic. No, it is not the only good oral, it is one of the more mild orals.

I already covered topical anti-androgens in a previous post in this thread. Half of what he claims DHT does is just utter bullshit. And disagrees with the use of 5ARis because he thinks it's retarded, but no explanation as to why lul. Doesn't matter, you shouldn't take one at 16 anyway.

 

[Anonymous10]

It's your first cycle, at 16, retard. Stop going gung-ho. You will notice great gains from just a moderate dose of test.
"muh im an idiot that can be easily influenced by random tards on org so let me just blindly follow their advice".

yeah your 100% right. I should focus on learning facts and being informed instead of being influenced . Thank you for the wake up call, seriously.

His advice is surface-level, wrong, and/or not particular to your scenario.
DNR the lifting advice bullshit, don't deep it. This is a thread discussing pharmaceuticals, not whether you should eat tuna or chicken.

Pinning frequency depends entirely on ester, which is omitted from your thread. Ideally you pin EVERY DAY, regardless of ester, to aromatise the least, to maintain stable testosterone levels, but it is increasingly important the shorter the half-life of the ester you're taking.
No, you can't just pin 150mg on Monday and Thursday, and hope for the best.
Even on enanthate (probably what you're using), pinning twice a week is unideal.

Yes, HCG will mimic LH effectively increasing spermatogenesis but shouldn't be used PCT since it effectively bypasses the pituitary to produce testosterone. It will only prolong suppression to take HCG since your body will not be naturally producing LH nor FSH which HCG does not even mimic.
Sure, great to use on-cycle to maintain high testosterone levels in the testes and help with fertility + accelerating your PCT, but never as PCT.

Yes, Enclo is worse than HCG for preserving fertility on-cycle, because the entire premise of Enclo as a SERM is to bind to estrogen receptors in your pituitary to block it from suppressing the release of LH/FSH. More LH/FSH, more endogenous testosterone production. This is specifically on-cycle that you shouldn't take Enclomiphene because taking testosterone will cause suppression regardless. It's like taking a medication to lower blood pressure and raise blood pressure at the same time, it's completely redundant to take one of them because it contradicts the use of the other. You also don't want to take Enclo for an extended period (like 6 months) because you can desensitize your estrogen receptors and have symptoms of low E2, even with high E2.
Take HCG towards the end of your cycle, take Enclo post-cycle. Simple.

Anavar as the only good oral is a joke, unless his interpretation of a "good" oral is that it is not very hepatotoxic. No, it is not the only good oral, it is one of the more mild orals.

I already covered topical anti-androgens in a previous post in this thread. Half of what he claims DHT does is just utter bullshit. And disagrees with the use of 5ARis because he thinks it's retarded, but no explanation as to why lul. Doesn't matter, you shouldn't take one at 16 anyway.

Ill avoid anavar, I should prioritize my health and just focus on hormone injections. Ill do hcg throughout my whole cycle just because i can afford it, and dont want to take risks, and then post cycle hMg with enclo for 2-4 weeks. along with bloodwork every 3 months (day before cycle, mid cycle, end of cycle, 3 months after cycle) and a sperm test before cycle, post cycle, and months after pct. Thanks for fixing up my stack. Ill also take topical ru, the shampoo, topical fin (dont want to completely nuke dht so fin instead of dut), and topical minox. along with 12.5mg aromasin eod, (maybe higher when on cycle) and 5ius of hgh. Ill make update threads every 3 months to document what happens along with my softmaxxes in my other ascension plan, ill make sure to tag you and give credit.

 

[aids]

yeah your 100% right. I should focus on learning facts and being informed instead of being influenced . Thank you for the wake up call, seriously.

Ill avoid anavar, I should prioritize my health and just focus on hormone injections. Ill do hcg throughout my whole cycle just because i can afford it, and dont want to take risks, and then post cycle hMg with enclo for 2-4 weeks. along with bloodwork every 3 months (day before cycle, mid cycle, end of cycle, 3 months after cycle) and a sperm test before cycle, post cycle, and months after pct. Thanks for fixing up my stack. Ill also take topical ru, the shampoo, topical fin (dont want to completely nuke dht so fin instead of dut), and topical minox. along with 12.5mg aromasin eod, (maybe higher when on cycle) and 5ius of hgh. Ill make update threads every 3 months to document what happens along with my softmaxxes in my other ascension plan, ill make sure to tag you and give credit.

Don't take a steroidal AI for a height protocol unless you're on-cycle.
If you take too much Aromasin and don't have testosterone on standby, you're going to feel the effects of low E2 big-time.
Aromasin is fine when you're on-cycle because you can always pin more if your E2 is too low, since higher testosterone levels will upregulate aromatase enzyme expression relative to your testosterone levels from solely-endogenous production. This means, God forbid you take too much Aromasin and your E2 is low, you can counteract the effect of the AI to some extent by just pinning more than your usual dosage.

 

[Anonymous10]

Don't take a steroidal AI for a height protocol unless you're on-cycle.
If you take too much Aromasin and don't have testosterone on standby, you're going to feel the effects of low E2 big-time.
Aromasin is fine when you're on-cycle because you can always pin more if your E2 is too low, since higher testosterone levels will upregulate aromatase enzyme expression relative to your testosterone levels from solely-endogenous production. This means, God forbid you take too much Aromasin and your E2 is low, you can counteract the effect of the AI to some extent by just pinning more than your usual dosage.

yeah right now im only taking it to delay growth plate fusion before i can start my test cycle, since my plates fuse soon. im taking 12.5mg every 3 or 4 days and getting bloodwork done to keep it between 20-15 and once i get on cycle ill up the dose

 

[Anonymous10]

yeah right now im only taking it to delay growth plate fusion before i can start my test cycle, since my plates fuse soon. im taking 12.5mg every 3 or 4 days and getting bloodwork done to keep it between 20-15 and once i get on cycle ill up the dose

oh wait yeah i see your point. I just need to stop the fusion of my plates, so ill try to get my test as soon as possible then, (labs, shipping, bloodwork, pct, etc.)

 

[Sachlichkeit]

His advice is surface-level, wrong, and/or not particular to your scenario.
DNR the lifting advice bullshit, don't deep it. This is a thread discussing pharmaceuticals, not whether you should eat tuna or chicken.

Pinning frequency depends entirely on ester, which is omitted from your thread. Ideally you pin EVERY DAY, regardless of ester, to aromatise the least, to maintain stable testosterone levels, but it is increasingly important the shorter the half-life of the ester you're taking.
No, you can't just pin 150mg on Monday and Thursday, and hope for the best.
Even on enanthate (probably what you're using), pinning twice a week is unideal.

Yes, HCG will mimic LH effectively increasing spermatogenesis but shouldn't be used PCT since it effectively bypasses the pituitary to produce testosterone. It will only prolong suppression to take HCG since your body will not be naturally producing LH nor FSH which HCG does not even mimic.
Sure, great to use on-cycle to maintain high testosterone levels in the testes and help with fertility + accelerating your PCT, but never as PCT.

Yes, Enclo is worse than HCG for preserving fertility on-cycle, because the entire premise of Enclo as a SERM is to bind to estrogen receptors in your pituitary to block it from suppressing the release of LH/FSH. More LH/FSH, more endogenous testosterone production. This is specifically on-cycle that you shouldn't take Enclomiphene because taking testosterone will cause suppression regardless. It's like taking a medication to lower blood pressure and raise blood pressure at the same time, it's completely redundant to take one of them because it contradicts the use of the other. You also don't want to take Enclo for an extended period (like 6 months) because you can desensitize your estrogen receptors and have symptoms of low E2, even with high E2.
Take HCG towards the end of your cycle, take Enclo post-cycle. Simple.

Anavar as the only good oral is a joke, unless his interpretation of a "good" oral is that it is not very hepatotoxic. No, it is not the only good oral, it is one of the more mild orals.

I already covered topical anti-androgens in a previous post in this thread. Half of what he claims DHT does is just utter bullshit. And disagrees with the use of 5ARis because he thinks it's retarded, but no explanation as to why lul. Doesn't matter, you shouldn't take one at 16 anyway.

Pinning frequency depends entirely on ester, which is omitted from your thread. Ideally you pin EVERY DAY, regardless of ester, to aromatise the least, to maintain stable testosterone levels, but it is increasingly important the shorter the half-life of the ester you're taking.
No, you can't just pin 150mg on Monday and Thursday, and hope for the best.
Even on enanthate (probably what you're using), pinning twice a week is unideal.

True. If you can pin ED or EOD it is more stable. Test E half life 5-7 days, thats why Mon & Thurs.

Yes, HCG will mimic LH effectively increasing spermatogenesis but shouldn't be used PCT since it effectively bypasses the pituitary to produce testosterone. It will only prolong suppression to take HCG since your body will not be naturally producing LH nor FSH which HCG does not even mimic.
Sure, great to use on-cycle to maintain high testosterone levels in the testes and help with fertility + accelerating your PCT, but never as PCT.

Real. I would say swap for clomid or nova PCT but he has enclo left over which is why he wants it in the stack

Anavar as the only good oral is a joke, unless his interpretation of a "good" oral is that it is not very hepatotoxic. No, it is not the only good oral, it is one of the more mild orals.

Orals are gay. Anavar is the best oral for bones.

I already covered topical anti-androgens in a previous post in this thread. Half of what he claims DHT does is just utter bullshit. And disagrees with the use of 5ARis because he thinks it's retarded, but no explanation as to why lul. Doesn't matter, you shouldn't take one at 16 anyway.

Drives growth of facial, pubic, axillary, and body hair

Contributes to male pattern facial acne and voice deepening through its powerful androgen activity

In boys born with 5α‑reductase deficiency external genitalia, facial hair, and prostate growth are impaired, reinforcing DHT's unique role during puberty

Male mice lacking the 5α‑reductase type 1 enzyme which is responsible for converting testosterone into DHT locally in bone, exhibit 36% lower trabecular bone mineral density, 15% reduction in cortical bone content, Decreased cortical bone size, and Weaker bone strength and reduced forelimb grip strength

Lower serum DHT was significantly associated with decreased bone mineral density in the heel bone (in men.)
DHT levels correlated positively with BMD even after adjusting for age, whereas total testosterone and estrogen levels did not

DHT Stimulates Cranial Osteoblasts & Suture Fusion

In cultured human osteoblast-like cells, DHT was shown to increase mineralization in a dose- and time-dependent manner. It even upregulated AR expression, strengthening its own osteogenic effects

DHT promotes alkaline phosphatase activity, collagen production, and extracellular matrix mineralization via AR and PI3K/AKT signaling pathways—a hallmark of enhanced bone formation

Also like 4 other studies I couldn't link that highlight the fact that DHT makes ur dick work in adulthood.

If its in ur body is probably there for a reason, like the appendix : ). Systemically eradicating it is gay, use topical anti androgens.

 

[Sachlichkeit]

DNR'd it because dude said calorie intake doesn't matter immediately following telling you that you were too light, for which you would want to eat more calories. (??? )

He’s saying the AI you are on is more difficult to manage because it irreversibly inhibits estrogen. Meaning if you overshoot and are stuck with low e2 reducing the dose won’t do anything immediately. It’s not *permanent,* but it’s longer term inhibition. The plus is that odds of gyno on exemestane are lower.
Edit: replied to wrong msg

 

[Anonymous10]

He’s saying the AI you are on is more difficult to manage because it irreversibly inhibits estrogen. Meaning if you overshoot and are stuck with low e2 reducing the dose won’t do anything immediately. It’s not *permanent,* but it’s longer term inhibition. The plus is that odds of gyno on exemestane are lower.

ohhh, and then thebtestosterone would help inhibit more estrogen. Okay, thanks.

 

[Sachlichkeit]

ohhh, and then thebtestosterone would help inhibit more estrogen. Okay, thanks.

No, upping your dose of test will increase estrogen. Your body will convert excess T into E. Because your AI is longer term, adjusting the dose won’t make much of a difference in the short term. So if you had E2 that was TOO LOW, you’d have to increase your test dose

 

[Anonymous10]

No, upping your dose of test will increase estrogen. Your body will convert excess T into E. Because your AI is longer term, adjusting the dose won’t make much of a difference in the short term. So if you had E2 that was TOO LOW, you’d have to increase your test dose

yeah sorry thats what i meant. I meant to say aromatise instead of inhibit