Rate my stack (Looking for advice)

[aessux124]

I'm turning 17 in a few months and decided i'm going to cycle, I think this would be the most optimal

Cycle length: 10-12 weeks
Test E 500mg weekly
Thinking of taking anavar 25mg daily for the first 4 weeks til it saturates, not decided yet tho as i might run test only for my first cycle
Hcg 500 iu per week
1 mg of arimidex every 3.5 days
I don't wanna nuke dht if possible since It's still kinda early, but if I see advanced recession of my hairline too quickly i can take 1mg fin daily for like 60-70% reduction of dht. Also i use caster oil and rosemary oil to slow it down since i am genetically predisposed to receding

PCT:
25mg clomid daily for 5 weeks

Info about me:

177cm, i'm unsure if my growth plates are still open since It feels like ive grown 0 cm in 2 years not even kidding. Besides that, if you think this cycle is good or if theres anything you'd advise i change i would like to know

I wanna be able to produce test regularly so after my cycle im not gonna cycle again for a long time likely

 

[Sayori]

I'm turning 17 in a few months and decided i'm going to cycle, I think this would be the most optimal

Cycle length: 10-12 weeks
Test E 500mg weekly
Thinking of taking anavar 25mg daily for the first 4 weeks til it saturates, not decided yet tho as i might run test only for my first cycle
Hcg 500 iu per week
1 mg of arimidex every 3.5 days
I don't wanna nuke dht if possible since It's still kinda early, but if I see advanced recession of my hairline too quickly i can take 1mg fin daily for like 60-70% reduction of dht. Also i use caster oil and rosemary oil to slow it down since i am genetically predisposed to receding

PCT:
25mg clomid daily for 5 weeks

Info about me:

177cm, i'm unsure if my growth plates are still open since It feels like ive grown 0 cm in 2 years not even kidding. Besides that, if you think this cycle is good or if theres anything you'd advise i change i would like to know

I wanna be able to produce test regularly so after my cycle im not gonna cycle again for a long time likely

Just Follow ts cycle its a above average first cycle. Don't forget to take ur dut (now mark me solution bhai)

First Steroid Cycle

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all. This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be...

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[O'bhai]

and look 40

 

[aessux124]

Does anyone know i should take peptides?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Fin will also stop your dick from growing since it still blocks a lot of type 2 ar, if it still is growing go with ru, if it isnt nuke that shit with 2,5+mg dut

Skip the anavar. Go with lgd4033, tbol if you really feel a need for that dryness, but no kickstart is needed but if youre gonna do it these are better options, ideally throw in some ru58841 anyway if you do this

And double the length

 

[aessux124]

Fin will also stop your dick from growing since it still blocks a lot of type 2 ar, if it still is growing go with ru, if it isnt nuke that shit with 2,5+mg dut

Skip the anavar. Go with lgd4033, tbol if you really feel a need for that dryness, but no kickstart is needed but if youre gonna do it these are better options, ideally throw in some ru58841 anyway if you do this

And double the length

dut blocks 90% of dht which i dont want since im trying to get some bone development and dht impacts that quite a bit. if i see hairline recession more than id like i got finasteride which blocks 70%, i'll change cycle length to 15wks though.

dick size idrc about i already got 7.5-8 inches its just im tryna b careful bout my hairline til im 18 then ill go dut, maybe late 17 depends.

I think since its my first cycle i'll stay of any oral steroids. Also i'll look into ru58841 so thanks

 

[aessux124]

Fin will also stop your dick from growing since it still blocks a lot of type 2 ar, if it still is growing go with ru, if it isnt nuke that shit with 2,5+mg dut

Skip the anavar. Go with lgd4033, tbol if you really feel a need for that dryness, but no kickstart is needed but if youre gonna do it these are better options, ideally throw in some ru58841 anyway if you do this

And double the length

oh and since ru58841 is topical should I just leave my DHT untampered with and just apply it well consistently so the dht doesnt affect my hairline? i'd like the added facial bone growth if possible. What i've seen so far is that it looks very expensive and i'm unsure whether to get the powder form or not.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

dut blocks 90% of dht which i dont want since im trying to get some bone development and dht impacts that quite a bit. if i see hairline recession more than id like i got finasteride which blocks 70%, i'll change cycle length to 15wks though.

No it does not, there isnt an amount of dht that would give yiu any noticable bone growth, take the dut

oh and since ru58841 is topical should I just leave my DHT untampered with and just apply it well consistently so the dht doesnt affect my hairline? i'd like the added facial bone growth if possible

Ru58841 while being promising and having many many good anectdotes is still less suported that dutasteride so dutasterideis the first like of defence, theres no keed to let the dht absolutely rape your body. Even if ru will block lets say 90% of receptors thats still an unnecessary 10% units of damage, it will also rape your cardiovascular system

You wont get bone growth, dht is responsible for secondary dimorphic traits, not primary ones

 

[aessux124]

No it does not, there isnt an amount of dht that would give yiu any noticable bone growth, take the dut

Ru58841 while being promising and having many many good anectdotes is still less suported that dutasteride so dutasterideis the first like of defence, theres no keed to let the dht absolutely rape your body. Even if ru will block lets say 90% of receptors thats still an unnecessary 10% units of damage, it will also rape your cardiovascular system

You wont get bone growth, dht is responsible for secondary dimorphic traits, not primary ones

i know high dht over like 4 months wont massively change my face but it'll definitely make a noticeable difference in brow ridge etc. I'd rather avoid having to potentially hardmaxx in the future to fix shitty weak facial structure and ive seen anecdotal posts on the org from other people who have said they've benefitted from this at the cost of receding however. I think using castor, rosemary oil, then ru58841 over the duration of my cycle should be enough to mitigate hair loss as much as i can. I can also take fin if thats not enough.

 

[Vulcan57]

Does anyone know i should take peptides?

Overrated for muscle growth. Only peptides you wanna take are ghk-cu, mt2, and reta imo. CJC DAC 300mcg/week is good for skin too.

 

[aessux124]

Overrated for muscle growth. Only peptides you wanna take are ghk-cu, mt2, and reta imo. CJC DAC 300mcg/week is good for skin too.

i've heard good things about reta but i don't wanna suppress my appetite since i am already skinny as it is, same with mt2. I wouldn't mind taking mt1 though as I heard it got less sides. i'm seeing mixed opinions on ghk-cu on whether it's worth it. I don't know what cjc dac is even after searching it

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

i know high dht over like 4 months wont massively change my face but it'll definitely make a noticeable difference in brow ridge etc. I'd rather avoid having to potentially hardmaxx in the future to fix shitty weak facial structure and ive seen anecdotal posts on the org from other people who have said they've benefitted from this at the cost of receding however. I think using castor, rosemary oil, then ru58841 over the duration of my cycle should be enough to mitigate hair loss as much as i can. I can also take fin if thats not enough.

Its not an issue of time or dosage its an issue of mechanisms, dht just simply doesnt do that, if they did it was somerhing else like just puberty, take a look at people with 5ar deficiencies they look completely normal, because dht's job like i said isnt to create primary dimorphic traits, its to stimulate dimo in bone, it works in penis and then secondary traits like sweat,beatd and body hair etc

Both castor and rosemary oil here is a waste of money and time when applying it

 

[Vulcan57]

i've heard good things about reta but i don't wanna suppress my appetite since i am already skinny as it is, same with mt2. I wouldn't mind taking mt1 though as I heard it got less sides. i'm seeing mixed opinions on ghk-cu on whether it's worth it. I don't know what cjc dac is even after searching it

If you're skinny then don't worry about reta. MT2 doesn't cause appetite suppression. Just nausea if you take a high dose, but I've never experienced it. MT1 has less sides but it's about 5x less effective. Do more research on ghk-cu and see if it's worth it for you, it's like $30 for a vial. CJC-1295 (with drug affinity complex, DAC) is a gh peptide that can help skin quality. A little more expensive ($50-60) but worth trying if money isn't an issue.

 

[aessux124]

If you're skinny then don't worry about reta. MT2 doesn't cause appetite suppression. Just nausea if you take a high dose, but I've never experienced it. MT1 has less sides but it's about 5x less effective. Do more research on ghk-cu and see if it's worth it for you, it's like $30 for a vial. CJC-1295 (with drug affinity complex, DAC) is a gh peptide that can help skin quality. A little more expensive ($50-60) but worth trying if money isn't an issue.

Thanks. i'll look into dac and mt2 once i have more money spare. currently, I'm using all of mine on the cycle + i'm ordering accutane to dose over months and get clear skin alongside minoxidil which i'm prolly gonna dose indefinitely. in the future when i got some money ill get mt2 + dac but for now theres no point really tanning if my skins fucked now regardless. I do have pale skin though so tanning sounds appealing

 

[Vulcan57]

Thanks. i'll look into dac and mt2 once i have more money spare. currently, I'm using all of mine on the cycle + i'm ordering accutane to dose over months and get clear skin alongside minoxidil which i'm prolly gonna dose indefinitely. in the future when i got some money ill get mt2 + dac but for now theres no point really tanning if my skins fucked now regardless. I do have pale skin though so tanning sounds appealing

Fair enough. cjc dac isn't necessary if you get your skin under control but I find a little bit of raised igf1 is amazing for skin.

 

[sub5ginger]

anavar is so shit unless you're a girl

 

[aessux124]

Its not an issue of time or dosage its an issue of mechanisms, dht just simply doesnt do that, if they did it was somerhing else like just puberty, take a look at people with 5ar deficiencies they look completely normal, because dht's job like i said isnt to create primary dimorphic traits, its to stimulate dimo in bone, it works in penis and then secondary traits like sweat,beatd and body hair etc

Both castor and rosemary oil here is a waste of money and time when applying it

i've been looking through studies and it seems a lot of them agree that testosterone impacts bone development in the face so lowering DHT as you said doesnt seem too terrible. DHT is multiple times stronger than regular testosterone I suppose thats why im finding that its good for bone growth but if it comes at the cost of my hair im unsure. In theory, if i had a high enough dose of testosterone while using dut, do you think it'll be close in effectiveness for facial bone development as having not nuked my dht? right now until the recessions more serious i want weaker methods since i don't want e.d + messing up dht at my age is not something there's enough clear evidence for me to make a judgement on. Perhaps if my hairline recedes too badly i could go straight to dut but i'm still unsure as even other people i've spoken to on the discord or threads i've read advise against dut until 18+

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

i've been looking through studies and it seems a lot of them agree that testosterone impacts bone development in the face so lowering DHT as you said doesnt seem too terrible. DHT is multiple times stronger than regular testosterone I suppose thats why im finding that its good for bone growth but if it comes at the cost of my hair im unsure. In theory, if i had a high enough dose of testosterone while using dut, do you think it'll be close in effectiveness for facial bone development as having not nuked my dht? right now until the recessions more serious i want weaker methods since i don't want e.d + messing up dht at my age is not something there's enough clear evidence for me to make a judgement on. Perhaps if my hairline recedes too badly i could go straight to dut but i'm still unsure as even other people i've spoken to on the discord or threads i've read advise against dut until 18+

Anything will be as good for facial bone development as dht,because dht still foesnt affect chondrocytes and its effects on ar in bone is therefore just about density and mads which is irrelevant in this context and useless if your younger than 80 years old.

Testosterones effects on chondrocytes exist but they are very modest and pretty much just affects maturation and not final shape or size. So sont do much in the end

Also even if you start taking it when your hair is starting to go youve still let your hwir follicles take a bunch of damage that eill not be changed, qlso a equally as big of a problem is mmp's that become upregulated beyond belief by dht so you get raped oldcell skin

If its not to get dick growth nuke dht into the grund. After dick is done its a useless hormone that just stands to detriment you

 

[aessux124]

Anything will be as good for facial bone development as dht,because dht still foesnt affect chondrocytes and its effects on ar in bone is therefore just about density and mads which is irrelevant in this context and useless if your younger than 80 years old.

Testosterones effects on chondrocytes exist but they are very modest and pretty much just affects maturation and not final shape or size. So sont do much in the end

Also even if you start taking it when your hair is starting to go youve still let your hwir follicles take a bunch of damage that eill not be changed, qlso a equally as big of a problem is mmp's that become upregulated beyond belief by dht so you get raped oldcell skin

If its not to get dick growth nuke dht into the grund. After dick is done its a useless hormone that just stands to detriment you

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21731732/ i found this study which shows dht does influence cranofacial development during puberty despite testosterone being normal when dht was reduced. now i get that we're not rats but i feel this would be shared and theres not any studies explicitly on this topic. You're right about the genitalia and other secondary traits but i disagree that dht won't alter facial development. plus dht greatly attributes to bone mass so i'd be messing myself over quite hard if i fully nuked it. i wouldn't mind lower levels of dht but to nuke it before 18 seems counterintuitive, plus there aren't many studies to properly back it up so it's better imo to be safe at least until my hairline becomes a larger issue.

i agree that my hair follicles would likely have taken damage, but minoxidil will help counteract some of that or if its bad enough ill just get a hair transplant and preserve the hair from there.

Will definitely take dut when im older though

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21731732/ i found this study which shows dht does influence cranofacial development during puberty despite testosterone being normal when dht was reduced. now i get that we're not rats but i feel this would be shared and theres not any studies explicitly on this topic. You're right about the genitalia and other secondary traits but i disagree that dht won't alter facial development. plus dht greatly attributes to bone mass so i'd be messing myself over quite hard if i fully nuked it. i wouldn't mind lower levels of dht but to nuke it before 18 seems counterintuitive, plus there aren't many studies to properly back it up so it's better imo to be safe at least until my hairline becomes a larger issue.

i agree that my hair follicles would likely have taken damage, but minoxidil will help counteract some of that or if its bad enough ill just get a hair transplant and preserve the hair from there.

Will definitely take dut when im older though

Did you read the study? Its in lime with my previous claims, it talks about density and not that it can change shape length or size

Bonemass in a biology context does not mean the same as bonemass in a looksmaxing context. Bonemass in a looksmaxxing context just means how mich bones are visible and how male dimorphic it is this is mretty much just affected by shape positioning and incertion, not actuall weight like what happened in the study

There was only a very small change in circumference that wasnt even related to bone. Its also imposssible for it to be even close as dramatic in humans since it was because of a small change in periosteum. Humans periosteum is much smaller than small mamals and pretty static and is giga hard to remodel or change the size while basically all small animals since they have to grow up and maturr super quickly to not get hunted down as a kid and eaten, this is even more dramatic in mice and rats than most other small animals since they are giga hunted while humans are predators and really take out time to develop

Also minoxodil will do nothing for the damage, min induces quick growth of the strand while the problem here is that the root is getting decimated by tene expression in the ar. Not related to minoxodils mechanisms at all

 

[aessux124]

Did you read the study? Its in lime with my previous claims, it talks about density and not that it can change shape length or size

Bonemass in a biology context does not mean the same as bonemass in a looksmaxing context. Bonemass in a looksmaxxing context just means how mich bones are visible and how male dimorphic it is this is mretty much just affected by shape positioning and incertion, not actuall weight like what happened in the study

There was only a very small change in circumference that wasnt even related to bone. Its also imposssible for it to be even close as dramatic in humans since it was because of a small change in periosteum. Humans periosteum is much smaller than small mamals and pretty static and is giga hard to remodel or change the size while basically all small animals since they have to grow up and maturr super quickly to not get hunted down as a kid and eaten, this is even more dramatic in mice and rats than most other small animals

Also minoxodil will do nothing for the damage, min induces quick growth of the strand while the problem here is that the root is getting decimated by tene expression in the ar. Not related to minoxodils mechanisms at all

My bad, i did actually get the bone mass from the study mixed up with the term on org which is retarded im just wary since there hasnt been any human studies. even other people on org recommend holding off on dut but ill order it in case fin isnt suppressive enough to my liking. It's just that i have time for now