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Thanks bro, what do you think is ”holding me back”, achievable soft or hardmaxxing?amazing base, cl easily achievable imo ur lhtn rn, dont take my opinion to heart though I may be wrong
Thanks bro, what do you think is ”holding me back”, achievable soft or hardmaxxing?
Thank you, agree 100%. when you say lack rugged features do you mean like cheekbones?good features:
sharp jawline
strong chin
hunter eyes
clear skin
high cheekbones
low bf%
symmetrical face
buzzcut suits skull shape
whats holding you back:
slightly androgynous look
slim neck
lacking rugged features
buzzcut limits dimension
clean brows = less raw masculinity
Potential fixes (soft)
grow traps + neck (gym)
try stubble
grow out hair slightly
bulk lightly for face mass
thicker brow shape
facial hair etc, masculine featuresThank you, agree 100%. when you say lack rugged features do you mean like cheekbones?
Thanks, what surgery do you think could make the biggest difference?Hey, you're a pretty good looking guy but you seem to want to improve yourself even further. Not an issue at all. I've compiled a list of surgeries you should do in order to improve your SMV:
- MSE : +10 mm upper intermolar
- Teeth Alignment : fix dental crowding & mandibular dental arch broadening
- Neurocranial Narrowization : −10 mm head width ( narrows the neurocranium only & doesn’t narrow zygomas & doesn’t narrow zygomatic processes )
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Forward Cranium : +25 mm anterior skull length (moves the maxilla with it)
- OBO : +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygorbital Expansion : +7.5 mm PFL & +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygomatic Breadth Reduction : −25 mm bizygomatic breadth on fronts (to compensate for +30 mm bizygomatic breadth due to orbital separation & due to orbit width expansion) & −2.5 mm bizygomatic breadth on processes
- Le Fort 1 Impaction : −5 mm face length
- Le Fort 2 : +25 mm maxilla–midface advancement
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Mandible : +25 mm mandibular body length
- Sagittal Mandible Jaw Rami Thickening : +15 mm side profile view ramus bones’ width & unchanged mandible length
- Genioplasty : +10 mm chin projection & consequently +10 mm mandibular body length
- 15º Degrees Counter-Clockwise Double-Jaw Rotation
- Custom Wrap-Around Jaw Implant : +7.5 mm jaw width & +10 mm chin breadth
- Glabellar Forwardization : +12.5 mm glabellar forwardness
- Supraorbital Forwardization : +7.5 mm brow ridge prominence
- Medial Canthoplasty : +2.5 mm PFL
- Lateral Canthoplasty: +2.5 mm PFL
- Rhinoplasty : Mongoloid nose → Caucasoid nose ( +10 mm radix\nasion projection & more changes )
- Lip Lift : −5 mm philtrum length & +5 mm chin height
- Buccal Fat Removal
- Paranasal Augmentation
- Infraorbital Implants
- Eyebrows Lowering, Bilateral Lengthening, Positive-Tilting, Thickening, and Densification
- Double Leg Lengthening with Tendon Release for Maximum Extension
- Aggressive Clavicle Lengthening
no one’s ever going to get that many surgeriesHey, you're a pretty good looking guy but you seem to want to improve yourself even further. Not an issue at all. I've compiled a list of surgeries you should do in order to improve your SMV:
- MSE : +10 mm upper intermolar
- Teeth Alignment : fix dental crowding & mandibular dental arch broadening
- Neurocranial Narrowization : −10 mm head width ( narrows the neurocranium only & doesn’t narrow zygomas & doesn’t narrow zygomatic processes )
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Forward Cranium : +25 mm anterior skull length (moves the maxilla with it)
- OBO : +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygorbital Expansion : +7.5 mm PFL & +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygomatic Breadth Reduction : −25 mm bizygomatic breadth on fronts (to compensate for +30 mm bizygomatic breadth due to orbital separation & due to orbit width expansion) & −2.5 mm bizygomatic breadth on processes
- Le Fort 1 Impaction : −5 mm face length
- Le Fort 2 : +25 mm maxilla–midface advancement
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Mandible : +25 mm mandibular body length
- Sagittal Mandible Jaw Rami Thickening : +15 mm side profile view ramus bones’ width & unchanged mandible length
- Genioplasty : +10 mm chin projection & consequently +10 mm mandibular body length
- 15º Degrees Counter-Clockwise Double-Jaw Rotation
- Custom Wrap-Around Jaw Implant : +7.5 mm jaw width & +10 mm chin breadth
- Glabellar Forwardization : +12.5 mm glabellar forwardness
- Supraorbital Forwardization : +7.5 mm brow ridge prominence
- Medial Canthoplasty : +2.5 mm PFL
- Lateral Canthoplasty: +2.5 mm PFL
- Rhinoplasty : Mongoloid nose → Caucasoid nose ( +10 mm radix\nasion projection & more changes )
- Lip Lift : −5 mm philtrum length & +5 mm chin height
- Buccal Fat Removal
- Paranasal Augmentation
- Infraorbital Implants
- Eyebrows Lowering, Bilateral Lengthening, Positive-Tilting, Thickening, and Densification
- Double Leg Lengthening with Tendon Release for Maximum Extension
- Aggressive Clavicle Lengthening
I would be dead broke toono one’s ever going to get that many surgeries
the roi would be shit
side definitely mattersHigh mtn, but side doesnt matter
holy unemploymentHey, you're a pretty good looking guy but you seem to want to improve yourself even further. Not an issue at all. I've compiled a list of surgeries you should do in order to improve your SMV:
- MSE : +10 mm upper intermolar
- Teeth Alignment : fix dental crowding & mandibular dental arch broadening
- Neurocranial Narrowization : −10 mm head width ( narrows the neurocranium only & doesn’t narrow zygomas & doesn’t narrow zygomatic processes )
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Forward Cranium : +25 mm anterior skull length (moves the maxilla with it)
- OBO : +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygorbital Expansion : +7.5 mm PFL & +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygomatic Breadth Reduction : −25 mm bizygomatic breadth on fronts (to compensate for +30 mm bizygomatic breadth due to orbital separation & due to orbit width expansion) & −2.5 mm bizygomatic breadth on processes
- Le Fort 1 Impaction : −5 mm face length
- Le Fort 2 : +25 mm maxilla–midface advancement
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Mandible : +25 mm mandibular body length
- Sagittal Mandible Jaw Rami Thickening : +15 mm side profile view ramus bones’ width & unchanged mandible length
- Genioplasty : +10 mm chin projection & consequently +10 mm mandibular body length
- 15º Degrees Counter-Clockwise Double-Jaw Rotation
- Custom Wrap-Around Jaw Implant : +7.5 mm jaw width & +10 mm chin breadth
- Glabellar Forwardization : +12.5 mm glabellar forwardness
- Supraorbital Forwardization : +7.5 mm brow ridge prominence
- Medial Canthoplasty : +2.5 mm PFL
- Lateral Canthoplasty: +2.5 mm PFL
- Rhinoplasty : Mongoloid nose → Caucasoid nose ( +10 mm radix\nasion projection & more changes )
- Lip Lift : −5 mm philtrum length & +5 mm chin height
- Buccal Fat Removal
- Paranasal Augmentation
- Infraorbital Implants
- Eyebrows Lowering, Bilateral Lengthening, Positive-Tilting, Thickening, and Densification
- Double Leg Lengthening with Tendon Release for Maximum Extension
- Aggressive Clavicle Lengthening
not to mention the chances of a slip up would be through the roofI would be dead broke too
Definitely would, however 1-3 would be optimal. Which one is the only problemnot to mention the chances of a slip up would be through the roof
you’d probably end up deformed by the end
Lhtnrating and what I could try to improve, softmaxx/hardmaxx. Also included two 2/3 pics
Any improvement area?Lhtn
can you do the same shi to me brogood features:
sharp jawline
strong chin
hunter eyes
clear skin
high cheekbones
low bf%
symmetrical face
buzzcut suits skull shape
whats holding you back:
slightly androgynous look
slim neck
lacking rugged features
buzzcut limits dimension
clean brows = less raw masculinity
Potential fixes (soft)
grow traps + neck (gym)
try stubble
grow out hair slightly
bulk lightly for face mass
thicker brow shape
Bro would you do the same to me pleaseHey, you're a pretty good looking guy but you seem to want to improve yourself even further. Not an issue at all. I've compiled a list of surgeries you should do in order to improve your SMV:
- MSE : +10 mm upper intermolar
- Teeth Alignment : fix dental crowding & mandibular dental arch broadening
- Neurocranial Narrowization : −10 mm head width ( narrows the neurocranium only & doesn’t narrow zygomas & doesn’t narrow zygomatic processes )
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Forward Cranium : +25 mm anterior skull length (moves the maxilla with it)
- OBO : +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygorbital Expansion : +7.5 mm PFL & +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygomatic Breadth Reduction : −25 mm bizygomatic breadth on fronts (to compensate for +30 mm bizygomatic breadth due to orbital separation & due to orbit width expansion) & −2.5 mm bizygomatic breadth on processes
- Le Fort 1 Impaction : −5 mm face length
- Le Fort 2 : +25 mm maxilla–midface advancement
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Mandible : +25 mm mandibular body length
- Sagittal Mandible Jaw Rami Thickening : +15 mm side profile view ramus bones’ width & unchanged mandible length
- Genioplasty : +10 mm chin projection & consequently +10 mm mandibular body length
- 15º Degrees Counter-Clockwise Double-Jaw Rotation
- Custom Wrap-Around Jaw Implant : +7.5 mm jaw width & +10 mm chin breadth
- Glabellar Forwardization : +12.5 mm glabellar forwardness
- Supraorbital Forwardization : +7.5 mm brow ridge prominence
- Medial Canthoplasty : +2.5 mm PFL
- Lateral Canthoplasty: +2.5 mm PFL
- Rhinoplasty : Mongoloid nose → Caucasoid nose ( +10 mm radix\nasion projection & more changes )
- Lip Lift : −5 mm philtrum length & +5 mm chin height
- Buccal Fat Removal
- Paranasal Augmentation
- Infraorbital Implants
- Eyebrows Lowering, Bilateral Lengthening, Positive-Tilting, Thickening, and Densification
- Double Leg Lengthening with Tendon Release for Maximum Extension
- Aggressive Clavicle Lengthening
Like the others said the more hardmax options would be better since your very soft maxed but the small details at this point matter.Any improvement area?
can you do me same shi to me broHey, you're a pretty good looking guy but you seem to want to improve yourself even further. Not an issue at all. I've compiled a list of surgeries you should do in order to improve your SMV:
- MSE : +10 mm upper intermolar
- Teeth Alignment : fix dental crowding & mandibular dental arch broadening
- Neurocranial Narrowization : −10 mm head width ( narrows the neurocranium only & doesn’t narrow zygomas & doesn’t narrow zygomatic processes )
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Forward Cranium : +25 mm anterior skull length (moves the maxilla with it)
- OBO : +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygorbital Expansion : +7.5 mm PFL & +7.5 mm IPD & +15 mm frontolateral cheekbonal breadth
- Bilateral Zygomatic Breadth Reduction : −25 mm bizygomatic breadth on fronts (to compensate for +30 mm bizygomatic breadth due to orbital separation & due to orbit width expansion) & −2.5 mm bizygomatic breadth on processes
- Le Fort 1 Impaction : −5 mm face length
- Le Fort 2 : +25 mm maxilla–midface advancement
- Distraction Osteogenesis of the Mandible : +25 mm mandibular body length
- Sagittal Mandible Jaw Rami Thickening : +15 mm side profile view ramus bones’ width & unchanged mandible length
- Genioplasty : +10 mm chin projection & consequently +10 mm mandibular body length
- 15º Degrees Counter-Clockwise Double-Jaw Rotation
- Custom Wrap-Around Jaw Implant : +7.5 mm jaw width & +10 mm chin breadth
- Glabellar Forwardization : +12.5 mm glabellar forwardness
- Supraorbital Forwardization : +7.5 mm brow ridge prominence
- Medial Canthoplasty : +2.5 mm PFL
- Lateral Canthoplasty: +2.5 mm PFL
- Rhinoplasty : Mongoloid nose → Caucasoid nose ( +10 mm radix\nasion projection & more changes )
- Lip Lift : −5 mm philtrum length & +5 mm chin height
- Buccal Fat Removal
- Paranasal Augmentation
- Infraorbital Implants
- Eyebrows Lowering, Bilateral Lengthening, Positive-Tilting, Thickening, and Densification
- Double Leg Lengthening with Tendon Release for Maximum Extension
- Aggressive Clavicle Lengthening
can you do the same shi to me bro
side 10%side definitely matters
Le perfectLike the others said the more hardmax options would be better since your very soft maxed but the small details at this point matter.
Mtn? In what wayHigh mtn, but side doesnt matter
gonial anle and ramus are really good propably only few bad ratios bad ovr htnrating and what I could try to improve, softmaxx/hardmaxx. Also included two 2/3 pics