Recessed, Rotated maxilla, in addition to fuck you lower third, fuck your nose.

[Slyfex8]

Assessment of the relationship between maxillary rotation and nasal morphology in males

Nasal features are important in treatment planning for orthodontic treatment.The purpose of the study was to assess the relationship between maxillary inclination and nasal morphology in males.Forty-five samples were selected for the study between the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• On comparing different maxillary inclination with linear nasal parameters, nasal height, and NBL was found to be increased in the retroinclination group and gradually decreases as the inclination progresses toward normalinclination and further toward anteinclination, whereas nasal depth was found to be increased in normalinclination group and decreased in retroclination group
• On comparing the different maxillary inclination groups with angular nasal parameters, the NLA and nasal tip angle was found to be maximum in retroinclinaion group and minimum in the anteinclination group whereas upper lip inclination was maximum in normalinclination and minimum in retroinclination group
• The NMA depicting the facial convexity including the nose showed a convex profile in anteinclination group and a decreased convexity in retroinclination group
• The change in maxillary inclination has no effect on cranial base angle.

Big nose is caused by mainly three things:
- Too high nasal height at the nose bridge, because of your bad maxilla position.
- In addition to this high nasal height at the nose bridge, the tip is downward because of the position of the maxilla, accentuating the already high nasal height. (Look at LEFORT 1)
- Because the soft tissue at your philtrum is not pushed forward enough by the maxilla, making the nose tip more projecting compared to the philtrum, and the nose narrower, in fact, put a finger under your philtrum, you nose looks wider at the tip, smaller. (Look at LEFORT 1 again)
- Because of your rotated maxilla (Probably even more pushed back by your jew orthodontist), your mandible is too far back compared to the already recessed maxilla, and this avoid your actually big nose to look "masculine". (Look at BSSO)

Yes, I know that some people have phenotypically big noses, but they are well recognizable, and these people have never had especially bad oral habits in their lives and have a jaw in a good position, their nose is just like that.

Hooked nose at the bridge is also probably a phenotype, but I'm pretty sure it would not have been so accentued with a well placed maxilla

But if you have spent your life mouth breathing and visited an orthodontist who has pushed your maxilla even further back and you are still wondering why your nose looks big, you have your answer, also yes, some nose phenotypes seems to resist to recession better than other nose phenotypes but if you're a man, you probably didn't have a small nose bridge phenotype to start with.



To conclude: If the size of your nose compared the rest of your face is your problem, you are probably totally stupid to want a nose job, and you should want to improve the position of your maxilla: Facepulling could be a solution?

 

[Slyfex8]

hate my orthodontist. Can you recognize if a Big nose is natural or due to braces if i show pics ?
and ofc it can but need mse too imo

Yes, MSE is good because widening the maxilla as you move it forward and upward with facepulling is a more "logical" thing, because it is the exact combination of what should have been done with the tongue during childhood. That said, palate expansion is not mandatory unless your palate prevents your mandible from advancing properly or your teeth do not even fit in your palate.

Otherwise, it's always hard to say if a physical defect is due to recession or not, has your orthodontist corrected a class II with rubber bands?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

, has your orthodontist corrected a class II with rubber bands?

im not sure but he used rubber bands to fix to the maxila and to the mandible which was behind to move it forward.
if i recall well, one year before braces my nose was slimmer and not really slightly downturned

 

[Slyfex8]

im not sure but he used rubber bands to fix to the maxila and to the mandible which was behind to move it forward.
if i recall well, one year before braces my nose was slimmer and not really slightly downturned

It looks like he pushed back your maxilla into your trapped back mandible, it is the exact type of movement that would make a nose bigger.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

It looks like he pushed back your maxilla into your trapped back mandible, it is the exact type of movement that would make a nose bigger.

what the hell...
don't know what to do tbh

 

[Slyfex8]

what the hell...
don't know what to do tbh

Should try facepulling, it is the exact opposite movement of your rubber bands, if the rubber bands can push the maxilla back, I can't see why an extraoral device could not do the opposite tbh.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Should try facepulling, it is the exact opposite movement of your rubber bands, if the rubber bands can push the maxilla back, I can't see why an extraoral device could not do the opposite tbh.

maybe will it fuck the occlusion + i'm past 20 yo now so the jaw has fused no ?

i wish modern ortho use it tbh. i would have paid money for doing it

 

[Slyfex8]

maybe will it fuck the occlusion + i'm past 20 yo now so the jaw has fused no ?

i wish modern ortho use it tbh. i would have paid money for doing it

It depends.

I know that a narrow palate, or a bicuspid drop off can be the cause of a mandible that initially did not follow the maxilla.

Did your orthodontist expanded your palate?

Otherwise, the facepulling technique of this website does not involve contact with the teeth, unlike the shitty methods that are done only a few minutes a day like belt facepulling, it is this kind of methods that are very risky when it comes to fucking your occlusion, your face.

Otherwise about your age, the older you get, the lower your IGF-1 levels are, the slower the movements, but unlike midpalatal suture for maxilla width, nothing should prevent you to move your maxilla forward.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

It depends.

I know that a narrow palate, or a bicuspid drop off can be the cause of a mandible that initially did not follow the maxilla.

Did your orthodontist expanded your palate?

Otherwise, the facepulling technique of this website does not involve contact with the teeth, unlike the shitty methods that are done only a few minutes a day like belt facepulling, it is this kind of methods that are very risky when it comes to fucking your occlusion, your face.

Otherwise about your age, the older you get, the lower your IGF-1 levels are, the slower the movements, but unlike midpalatal suture for maxilla width, nothing should prevent you to move your maxilla forward.

no he never expanded my palate - i wish i could have wide palate.

i see.
i really want to see asap the results of this facepulling tbh.

i don't even know if i needed this fucking rubber bands since younger, before braces i had any issue .

btw Moving the maxila forward will move the mandible too ?

 

[Deleted member 685]

Good shit

 

[Slyfex8]

no he never expanded my palate - i wish i could have wide palate.

i see.
i really want to see asap the results of this facepulling tbh.

i don't even know if i needed this fucking rubber bands since younger, before braces i had any issue .

btw Moving the maxila forward will move the mandible too ?

As I said before, the mandible should follow as long as you keep your teeth together during the pulling of the maxilla, UNLESS your maxilla is actually too narrow, a too narrow maxilla can push the mandible back into the condyle and is actually often the reason of overbite to begin.

I also read somewhere that a mandible trapped in the condyle for a long time time could by default not following the maxilla and that it would be necessary at the beginning to "heal" the condyle by manually protracting your mandible by 2-3mm.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

As I said before, the mandible should follow as long as you keep your teeth together during the pulling of the maxilla, UNLESS your maxilla is actually too narrow, a too narrow maxilla can push the mandible back into the condyle and is actually often the reason of overbite to begin.

I also read somewhere that a mandible trapped in the condyle for a long time time could by default not following the maxilla and that it would be necessary at the beginning to "heal" the condyle by manually protracting your mandible by 2-3mm.

i see well.
Can it gives too slight scleral show. i mean the fucked up work done by ortho ?

 

[Slyfex8]

i see well.
Can it gives too slight scleral show. i mean the fucked up work done by ortho ?

Look at that: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24331569

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Look at that: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24331569

.... ok so now i know why i have scleral show, slightly droppy nose tip, and probably not the best jawline or zygos from front - does it have an impact ?


fuck my life. i wished my teeth were crooked but that i don't get these issues...
fuck
probably even my palate became narrower due to braces, since it makes Closer the teeth

 

[wristcel]

I've got a big nose, but it's further amplified by my piss-poor lower 3rd lol.
I thank the Lord that i've been able to bang a few fairly hot young girls who for whatever reason let me penetrate them

 

[Slyfex8]

.... ok so now i know why i have scleral show, slightly droppy nose tip, and probably not the best jawline or zygos from front - does it have an impact ?


fuck my life. i wished my teeth were crooked but that i don't get these issues...
fuck

Actually, I think that there is a phenotype for most features that can prevent them to looks too bad from recession.

Big undereye support, big cheekbones? Better eyes resistance to recession

Small nose bridge? Better nose resistance to recession

Tiny neck? Prone to a more defined jawline.

About the the jawline, it can definitely make her more visible from side by releasing the mandible from the condyle, try to jut your jaw by like 5mm to see what's happens: The jawline probably looks more defined, the masseter are naturally more "flexed", it makes the jaw looks wider from the front.

About your cheekbones, the cheekbones are anchored to the maxilla by suture, as your maxilla position changes, so the cheekbones. Currently this is probably one of the reasons why the nose could appear smaller from facepulling, the cheekbones are moving forward in a way that it catches up the "hard edges" of the nose. This said, the lateral projection is more related to the width of the maxilla, and the genetic mass at the cheekbones.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Actually, I think that there is a phenotype for most features that can prevent them to looks too bad from recession.

Big undereye support, big cheekbones? Better eyes resistance to recession

Small nose bridge? Better nose resistance to recession

Tiny neck? Prone to a more defined jawline.

About the the jawline, it can definitely make her more visible from side by releasing the mandible from the condyle, try to jut your jaw by like 5mm to see what's happens: The jawline probably looks more defined, the masseter are naturally more "flexed", it makes the jaw looks wider from the front.

About your cheekbones, the cheekbones are anchored to the maxilla by suture, as your maxilla position changes, so the cheekbones. Currently this is probably one of the reasons why the nose could appear smaller from facepulling, the cheekbones are moving forward in a way that it catches up the "hard edges" of the nose. This said, the lateral projection is more related to the width of the maxilla, and the genetic mass at the cheekbones.

i agree with all especially the mandible jutting.

if it's possible to move it forward as much as i can naturally and the maxilaw i'll have a slayer anteface and most features..
sadly no tiny neck or small nose bridge...
Can i show you some side pics in a few hours to tell me what do you think about it ?

 

[Slyfex8]

i agree with all especially the mandible jutting.

if it's possible to move it forward as much as i can naturally and the maxilaw i'll have a slayer anteface and most features..
sadly no tiny neck or small nose bridge...
Can i show you some side pics in a few hours to tell me what do you think about it ?

Yes I can try to help you about that, send me side pics when you want

 

[Deleted member 3702]

Fucking ortho, don't want to give my palate expander

 

[Deleted member 3679]

I had to get a rhino b/c of my French hooked nose, can breathe much better and my voice is no longer nasal. My maxilla is not recessed at all though so I think I was one of the few where my nose was my only problem.

 

[shibo]

Hmm i have a big straight nose that does not tip downwards

 

[wellthatsucks]

Don't believe it until I see real xrays

Until then I'll just get a bimax

 

[Afk]

Yes, MSE is good because widening the maxilla as you move it forward and upward with facepulling is a more "logical" thing, because it is the exact combination of what should have been done with the tongue during childhood. That said, palate expansion is not mandatory unless your palate prevents your mandible from advancing properly or your teeth do not even fit in your palate.

Otherwise, it's always hard to say if a physical defect is due to recession or not, has your orthodontist corrected a class II with rubber bands?

What negative impact do elastics have to treat a class 2? It is what my orthodontist in my last consultation has said that I should take, from my canines to my second molars

 

[Slyfex8]

What negative impact do elastics have to treat a class 2? It is what my orthodontist in my last consultation has said that I should take, from my canines to my second molars

Don't wear them and consult someone that is really experimented in this practice and not try to fuck you up, so, avoid orthodontist basically

 

[Afk]

Don't wear them and consult someone that is really experimented in this practice and not try to fuck you up, so, avoid orthodontist basically

So basically who should I go to?

 

[Fearofeight]

That's exactly my problem, my maxilla, thus my whole mouth is rotated downwards and inwards.

My (((orthodontists))) while growing up were concerned with the gap on my front teeth so I was told to push back with my tongue. Absolute retardedness.

This is my facial side profile:

Mouth closed, teeth mostly fitting

https://a.uguu.se/vlZWo4AUu1rg.png

 

[Swerves]

How much would the maxilla need to be protracted/rotated to go from a slightly downward nasal tip to a positive one? Does facepulling reduce nasal height at the nose bridge or would you need a rhinoplasty to change this?