Red Light Therapy is a waste of money

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I try this for many weeks and it is pseudoscience and did not change anything. There is no research for this and it is a scam. I am using a cheaper one because I cannot afford the Joov but if it works so good then why are so few people using it?
 
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I use it on my balls and I immediately feel better afterwards. Maybe it's placebo but it's a good placebo. What red light lamp do you use?
 
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I use it on my balls and I immediately feel better afterwards. Maybe it's placebo but it's a good placebo. What red light lamp do you use?
I buy it from Amazon. I thought that there was an effect too but then it stopped working when I place next to my balls. I was going to save money for a joov but I think it is better saved for other looksmaxes
 
I use it on my balls
when I place next to my balls.
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what's the benefit of buying something for this this versus just going out in the early morning sun
 
unbelievable. I think I am doing something wrong then. that is a big change almost more than botox
are you old?

i think it's best for old guys. whom get collagen droppings.

downside of Redlight therapy. is that it might cause a little bit of buccal fat loss intha face
 
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what's the benefit of buying something for this this versus just going out in the early morning sun
morning sun, fucks up collagen. While red light therapy boosts it.

this is a concern for older guys. Whom don't wanna get wrinkled
 
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are you old?

i think it's best for old guys. whom get collagen droppings.

downside of Redlight therapy. is that it might cause a little bit of buccal fat loss intha face
Buccal fat loss is good for most peoples right because it helps with hollow cheeks? I have been trying it for hair loss and it has not helped me with anything so far. Those pictures you posted are a big difference I think I will try to get a different device now
 
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morning sun, fucks up collagen. While red light therapy boosts it.

this is a concern for older guys. Whom don't wanna get wrinkled
really? i thought morning sun gave off a lot of infrared light.
like lesd than 45 degree altitude?
 
Buccal fat loss is good for most peoples right?
no.
and yes.

when one is young, and has alot of baby fat on the face. you hate it, and it make you look ugly. like not a man, but a boy.

when one is old. so much buccal fat gets lost, that everything become lose and saggs and blablbla. Than every but f added fat to the face. is an anti-age mogg.

For old people.
doing fat trasfers, fat grafts, into face. Is for most a massive looksmaxx.

I have been trying it for hair loss and it has not helped me with anything so far. Those pictures you posted are a big difference I think I will try to get a different device now
I use redlight also, in the ast more regulalry.

my face skin reacts good to it.

How much nm is your redlight??

IT'S ALL ABOUT nm. In redlight. ALL rest is cope. Just get the right nm; and just pick the cheaper ones with the right nm. All extra fancy things for added price, is money wasite cope
 
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really? i thought morning sun gave off a lot of infrared light.
like lesd than 45 degree altitude?
I dunno about this.
All I know, is that I is learned and said. Sun exposure, is aging the skin, and collagen loss. No need to worry about when young, but when a grandpa like me. We concern about collagen keeping/gaining
 
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idk how much it does I've done a couple 15 min sessions :bigbrain: must be oldcel or really shit skin to see significant results maybe :bigbrain: maybe I should use it on balls more though :bigbrain:
 
I try this for many weeks and it is pseudoscience and did not change anything. There is no research for this and it is a scam. I am using a cheaper one because I cannot afford the Joov but if it works so good then why are so few people using it?
Cheaper ones don't emit enough red light to be comparable to any of the studies that were done. The ones comparable to the studies cost thousands of dollars.

If you're a cheapcel like me, just go outside for 10 mins when your shadow is longer than your height. The sun emits far more red light than even the expensive machines, literally for free, with blue spectrum light benefits as well. They're trying to sell you sunlight. :LOL:

Your body has DNA repair, as long as your exposure isn't too much you can repair faster and your skin won't age. I just wrote a giant post on this (click for link).

And don't forget Vit C supplementation, your body needs that to make collagen.
 
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Cheaper ones don't emit enough red light to be comparable to any of the studies that were done. The ones comparable to the studies cost thousands of dollars.

If you're a cheapcel like me, just go outside for 10 mins when your shadow is longer than your height. The sun emits far more red light than even the expensive machines, literally for free, with blue spectrum light benefits as well. They're trying to sell you sunlight. :LOL:

Your body has DNA repair, as long as your exposure isn't too much you can repair faster and your skin won't age. I just wrote a giant post on this (click for link).

And don't forget Vit C supplementation, your body needs that to make collagen.
idk mein neger if I put my face all up in the panel it's really fucking bright. meanwhile even the expensive ones don't claim to emit much more. :feelsmage:
 
idk mein neger if I put my face all up in the panel it's really fucking bright. meanwhile even the expensive ones don't claim to emit much more. :feelsmage:
NM is wavelength. That's the frequency of light. That number is not how much lux is being emitted.


I can't find any number for how much lux these devices are emitting, but I have heard the ones less than a thousand dollars do not emit enough, and that the sun emits more than any device.
 
NM is wavelength. That's the frequency of light. That number is not how much lux is being emitted.


I can't find any number for how much lux these devices are emitting, but I have heard the ones less than a thousand dollars do not emit enough, and that the sun emits more than any device.
I know. but you're pretty fucking far from the sun while the device is right up in your face. usually wattage is given for intensity.
 
I know. but you're pretty fucking far from the sun while the device is right up in your face. usually wattage is given for intensity.
Here's an example of a cheap one:
Amazon product ASIN B07YWMMWFM
And here's an expensive one:
https://us.currentbody.com/products...oE9pNxZdF6ZSQJuiFB1hli2eTdylqv_RoCC_AQAvD_BwE

I can't find wats or any measure of intensity. Do you see?

Edit (The forum keeps killing my links to amazon, so I don't think the first link will load)
 
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Here's an example of a cheap one:
Amazon product ASIN B07YWMMWFM
And here's an expensive one:
https://us.currentbody.com/products...oE9pNxZdF6ZSQJuiFB1hli2eTdylqv_RoCC_AQAvD_BwE

I can't find wats or any measure of intensity. Do you see?

Edit (The forum keeps killing my links to amazon, so I don't think the first link will load)
cheap ones have 225 leds, expensive have 360 but the blue is useless so 240 in reality. google says red leds emit 25-55 lumens, let's say the chink shit gives off 25 and the fancy $2.5k one gives off 55. doubtful but let's say (it's probably the exact same). you only have to be 2/3rds as close to the chink one as the fancy one to get the same intensity according to the inverse square law.
tldr the chink one is just as good but costs $35 instead of $2500+
 
cheap ones have 225 leds, expensive have 360 but the blue is useless so 240 in reality. google says red leds emit 25-55 lumens, let's say the chink shit gives off 25 and the fancy $2.5k one gives off 55. doubtful but let's say (it's probably the exact same). you only have to be 2/3rds as close to the chink one as the fancy one to get the same intensity according to the inverse square law.
tldr the chink one is just as good but costs $35 instead of $2500+
The inverse square law applies to electromagnetic radiation. I don't think it applies red spectrum light.

127,000 lumens reach you from the sun, when you're standing on the surface of earth. Kinda pointless to pay for 55 lumins when you could just go outside for like 2 seconds and get that.

That got me looking for a decent study of Red light. Here's what I found:

(Above) No placebo group. No control group. Worthless study.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/pho.2013.3616
(Above) Control group received no placebo. Worthless study.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14764170500370059
(Above) No placebo. No control group. Worthless study designed to sell something you know is shit.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/php.12316
(Above) study on human cultured skin cells. Doesn't apply to humans that go outside and get 1000x times that much redlight by being outside for 10 seconds in the morning when they walk to their car. Also doesn't apply to humans, who have many layers of skin with various functions (all humans).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1572100014001288
(Above) Another study with no placebo and no control group. Slow cap for "scientists" doing their job pushing worthless crap. *Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1473-2165.2008.00404.x
(Another) No placebo. No control. I'm beginning to see a pattern. Sham "studies" to sell products.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/dsu.12233
(Another) Microneedling + redlight study. Of course no placebo. No control. So many guys fucking their skin long term with micro needling but that's another story.

I could easily be missing something, but I don't think there's any actual study supporting these devices.
 
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The inverse square law applies to electromagnetic radiation. I don't think it applies red spectrum light.

127,000 lumens reach you from the sun, when you're standing on the surface of earth. Kinda pointless to pay for 55 lumins when you could just go outside for like 2 seconds and get that.

That got me looking for a decent study of Red light. Here's what I found:

(Above) No placebo group. No control group. Worthless study.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/pho.2013.3616
(Above) Control group received no placebo. Worthless study.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14764170500370059
(Above) No placebo. No control group. Worthless study designed to sell something you know is shit.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/php.12316
(Above) study on human cultured skin cells. Doesn't apply to humans that go outside and get 1000x times that much redlight by being outside for 10 seconds in the morning when they walk to their car. Also doesn't apply to humans, who have many layers of skin with various functions (all humans).

I could easily be missing something, but I don't think there's any actual study supporting these devices.
in the megathread posted here it looked legit. didn't look too deep into it but my point is if one device works, all should work since it's just leds lmao :feelsmage:
anyway I found this
1000x at 3m which means exactly as bright up close like I use it :feelsmage:
 
in the megathread posted here it looked legit. didn't look too deep into it but my point is if one device works, all should work since it's just leds lmao :feelsmage:
You're right. That's a good point. I had also heard something about more expensive devices having more Lux, and also didn't look deep into it. I'm glad we had this conversation. I think they're all cope now. XD
anyway I found this
1000x at 3m which means exactly as bright up close like I use it :feelsmage:
https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/583137main_Inverse_Square_Law_of_Light.pdf
You're right, closer is better (If LED bulbs were enough to do anything). Inverse square does apply to light.

I wouldn't be surprised if most things on this website are cope now. I'm going to have to look deeper into everything I'm doing.
 
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you rub ur balls with that shit?
 

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