Religion doesn’t exist

[ybuyhgui]

but we should realise what conclusion would be most reasonable.

And the most reasonable is to just assume that humans (who undeniably are capable of creating religion - proven by the fact that so many exist and they cannot all be correct) are somehow created in the ‘image of god’ a concept which we likely made up? The most reasonable is to assume there is no meaning

 

[crazyguy]

I’d like you to expand on this please

i'll give you an example, europe and its declining population.
white people are disappearing, lets be real. major cities like london, amsterdam, brussels, etc. are going from 99% white to 50% white (its even 25% in brussels' case).

you might see this and believe that the native population is growing, but no, its all migrants.

(https://www.eunews.it/en/2024/07/11...u-population-still-grows-thanks-to-migration/)

you might ask what this has to do with what we were talking about, but those migrants are usually religious people who dont fall for the propaganda (because theyre following their religion and dont give a fuck about anything else). whites would still be the majority of those cities if they were having at least 5 children.
i live in europe, seeing a family with 3+ children is very rare. you can ask anyone else who lives in europe and they'll tell you the same story.

the government make you believe that having children is an expensive mistake and that its better for you to have 1-2 at max and 0 at best. housing prices are increased to the point where youre sometimes forced to not have children (this is in the US).
the worst case scenario is if theres a one-child policy implented.

even religious countries like japan and south korea are experiencing extreme population decline due to brainwashing or/and pressure due to work and housing

 

[asdvek]

Can't enslave a natural person

They do whatever they want, they dont believe in muh religion

 

[crazyguy]

Its a cope so you have a purpose in this life
The hard truth is sadly that life is meaningless and you live because of coincidence

so they give their lives a meaning by being religious
i still dont see the problem

 

[takethewhitepill]

Yes I corrected my original statement before you wrote this. Apologies for the incorrect statement, there is no evidence for either option.

Sorry, I didn't see this until after and wrote a follow up. Appreciate your time debating in good faith.

so humans alone are made in the image of god? If you think all animals are then why are we the only one’s with a moral conscience and religion? Would it not be ‘evil’ for monkey to rape and kill in the same way it would be for humans?

Humans alone are made in the image of God, yes. It is not evil per se for an animal to sin becausd they don't have original sin. Our sin is actually the knowledge of good and evil which most people never fully quote, animals dont know this but they were corrupted in the fall (read genisis first 11 parts for full explanation to your question)

Our hearts are our instincts. And our instincts tell us to follow our hedonistic desires. Our brains on the other hand seek to cope for a tragic world, hence why religion exists

I disagree with this sort of. Our hearts do give us our instinctual knowledge, but that knowledge is actually good for us. That is, we instinctually feel bad when we are doing something bad even if we don't consciously know why. Following hedonic pleasure leaves us unfulfilled and wanting, it is short term pleasure that entices us but in the long run we regret it. Drugs, goyslop, etc. Are very easy examples because it's harder to look at ourselves critically but surely you would concede that a life without seven sins would be more prosperous?

this is a good argument on your part. Although all it really shows is that animals who are more developed, e.i: more human in a way, are more detatched from their natural desires

Thanks, I try! I believe morality is a natural desire based on the fact that these animals are in nature. I ground this with the fact that acting in a good way is always beneficial long term, of course there are evil and successful people but their soul is unfulfilled and more to what you might care about they don't succeed as well in propagating the species as they sacrifice social acceptance and reverence for an unhealthy obsession

 

[ybuyhgui]

i'll give you an example, europe and its declining population.
white people are disappearing, lets be real. major cities like london, amsterdam, brussels, etc. are going from 99% white to 50% white (its even 25% in brussels' case).

you might see this and believe that the native population is growing, but no, its all migrants.

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(https://www.eunews.it/en/2024/07/11...u-population-still-grows-thanks-to-migration/)

you might ask what this has to do with what we were talking about, but those migrants are usually religious people who dont fall for the propaganda (because theyre following their religion and dont give a fuck about anything else). whites would still be the majority of those cities if they were having at least 5 children.
i live in europe, seeing a family with 3+ children is very rare. you can ask anyone else who lives in europe and they'll tell you the same story.

the government make you believe that having children is an expensive mistake and that its better for you to have 1-2 at max and 0 at best. housing prices are increased to the point where youre sometimes forced to not have children (this is in the US).
the worst case scenario is if theres a one-child policy implented.

even religious countries like japan and south korea are experiencing extreme population decline due to brainwashing or/and pressure due to work and housing

Makes sense and well explained.

Although it comes back to the issue of humans being detached from nature and our innate desires, the prioritisation of capitalism and the meaningless goal of ‘expansion’ of that which doesn’t truly matter.

I believe this to be a consequence of humans being ‘too advanced’ mentally, that we shouldn’t have come this far as a species and that our inherent detachment from nature in the form of a profound intelligence that separates us from other ‘natural’ animals is what led us to create the concept of religion. No animal but humans think in the way we do, proving our biological isolation from that which is truly ‘natural’ resulting in solely humans being the ones to even consider religion.

 

[takethewhitepill]

And the most reasonable is to just assume that humans (who undeniably are capable of creating religion - proven by the fact that so many exist and they cannot all be correct) are somehow created in the ‘image of god’ a concept which we likely made up? The most reasonable is to assume there is no meaning

Yes, humans often create religion. Across all time, from mythology to Islam to Mormonism. I could argue that it is actually the devil making those but it would be unproductive and meaningless. But even the most athiest of scholars would say that of them Christianity alone succeeds. From people you might know like Alex O'Connor to someone like Bertrand Russell who was very critical of Christianity but says it is the only one he can take seriously because it doesn't have the same glaring flaws as others do. It is most reasonable to consider athiesm as its own religious position and evaluate its evidence equally against the evidence for Christianity and decide which is correct. If I were you I would pivot to arguing agnosticism here since it doesn't have to be considered like this, athiesm itself is almost impossible to argue for since there inherently must be something even if it is unaware of us. Depending how you define a god that is.
I believe there must be a god, and that Jesus Christ has the only good case so I trust Him when he says He is God.

 

[ybuyhgui]

Sorry, I didn't see this until after and wrote a follow up. Appreciate your time debating in good faith.

Humans alone are made in the image of God, yes. It is not evil per se for an animal to sin becausd they don't have original sin. Our sin is actually the knowledge of good and evil which most people never fully quote, animals dont know this but they were corrupted in the fall (read genisis first 11 parts for full explanation to your question)

I disagree with this sort of. Our hearts do give us our instinctual knowledge, but that knowledge is actually good for us. That is, we instinctually feel bad when we are doing something bad even if we don't consciously know why. Following hedonic pleasure leaves us unfulfilled and wanting, it is short term pleasure that entices us but in the long run we regret it. Drugs, goyslop, etc. Are very easy examples because it's harder to look at ourselves critically but surely you would concede that a life without seven sins would be more prosperous?

Thanks, I try! I believe morality is a natural desire based on the fact that these animals are in nature. I ground this with the fact that acting in a good way is always beneficial long term, of course there are evil and successful people but their soul is unfulfilled and more to what you might care about they don't succeed as well in propagating the species as they sacrifice social acceptance and reverence for an unhealthy obsession

Interesting, I should probably have more of a concrete knowledge base on the specifics of the religions before debating people tbhand there were definitely some logical flaws in my argument that I see now. so i’ll give you the win on this one lol.

Enjoyed the discussion though bhai

 

[subhuman1996]

Ok bitch prove it then. Where’s Prove that Christianity is cope?

 

[T4deoIncel0s]

If you think religion exist you are wrong
Jews,christian,muslim all of them were developed by some schizophrenia people that wanted power and controll

Religion is the best way to control a person
You can never enslave human nature
doing what they would do in nature

Thats why like hell and heaven exist because without the fear human nature wins and the rules becomes useless

So for all the religioncells please rethink about your religoon what you are allowed to do and what not

Its clear when you compare religion with human nature

Edit: Here is an example of a religious person that got offended by my thread

subhuman1996​

JESUS IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR ​

And atheist was created for goofy low iq rapable idiotic pigs who can’t cope with the fact that GOD EXISTS AND CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONLY TRUTH. So they use “muh science” as their excuse​

what a water thread

 

[takethewhitepill]

Interesting, I should probably have more of a concrete knowledge base on the specifics of the religions before debating people tbhand there were definitely some logical flaws in my argument that I see now. so i’ll give you the win on this one lol.

Enjoyed the discussion though bhai

Thanks bro, anytime you want to argue religion either side tbh I'll take down Muslims for you just ping me. I'd recommend reading the bible since it's kind of the primary source for the discussions, and then go read thomas Aquinas and then familiarise yourself with apologetics. This will give you a good understanding of how to spot bad arguments from people who don't understand, and then you can make up your mind and explain to people why you decided that with all the information you could have needed.

 

[tokaeyyer]

Religion ultimately stems from a human arrogance to believe we are above other animals. We too are animals and hold the same animal instincts and the same inherent value in the world as that of an animal. Yet we delude ourselves into thinking we are somehow above our instincts. In reality there is no concept of right or wrong, religion serves as a vehicle for governments to detach us from our natural desires, not only is it a cope, but also the greatest tool of manipulation.

exactly what i said but fax