Religion is stupid

[higoodboy12309@gmai]

Explain

qualia isn’t measurable therefore you can’t ground logic and reasoning to come from the mind under a material world. also can’t make truth claims about things not measurable such as morals which ppl don’t have an issue with but under atheism u can’t make an objective claim as i exist and you exist 100%

 

[JasGews69x]

So you've completely ducked, very nice. Predicted this.

So you accept that your prophet drunk camel piss and you're the by product of cousin fucking. doesnt get better than this.

No response?
What i thought
Are you a christian? Or an atheist?

 

[orgㅤ]

wars are fought over religion, but its also a good cope

so who really knows if its a net positive or negative

brotatoe with the logic everytime

 

[samz]

I addressed it by saying it worked and it was a one time thing
you just ignored it than said 'if YoUrE iLl, gO dRiNk IT On CaMeRa' shifting the goal post
Your demons are manifesting
You cry about insults - dont you have any self awareness?

Sibling -
'each of two or more children or offspring having one or both parents in common; a brother or sister.'

Changing the definition of words shows how trash your argument is

Using words like 'fucking' shows you are seething
Cousins are not siblings

Islam living in your head

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. Samuels 15:3

Context bro context is important. In this verse, God commands Israel to completely destroy the Amalekites as an act of divine judgment. According to the Bible’s broader context, this judgment is for the Amalekites’ earlier, unprovoked attack on Israel during the Exodus, where they targeted the weak and vulnerable. The command reflects the ancient concept of “herem” (total destruction), meaning the people and their possessions were devoted to God and removed entirely, symbolizing punishment for persistent violence and opposition to God’s purposes, and the removal of a corrupting influence from Israel.

To Summarise this verse God orders total destruction as judgment for past cruelty and sustained hostility, framed as justice rather than conquest.


Also this is the old testament before Jesus. God seemed to be rather strict however he created Jesus as symbol of forgiveness for Mankind.

 

[brotato78]

brotatoe with the logic everytime

best believe it

 

[trump]

Another religion thread that will eventually reach hundreds of replies as usual

 

[looksovernt]

qualia isn’t measurable therefore you can’t ground logic and reasoning to come from the mind under a material world. also can’t make truth claims about things not measurable such as morals which ppl don’t have an issue with but under atheism u can’t make an objective claim as i exist and you exist 100%

Atheism denies the existance of God, not logic, abstract truths, minds, or moral facts

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

The jokes write themselves

Now you've turned this into your ego like the average muslim

Instead of addressing your piss drinking prophet, you start insulting me and saying i have demons manifesting

Now read this funny wiki page about muslims fucking their siblings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_in_the_Middle_East

Bet you won't address this either and try to either deflect or turn it onto me. Why are muslims fucking their family members?

What is wrong with fucking your family members?
In fact i would say it's ideal because they have the closest genes to you, it just makes sense

 

[higoodboy12309@gmai]

Atheism denies the existance of God, not logic, abstract truths, minds, or moral facts

Denying God denys transcendentals. if logic doesn’t come from god and truth doesn’t where does it come from and does it really exist you can’t measure it. does it come from the experience of the mind you can’t prove to exist

 

[JasGews69x]

Context bro context is important. In this verse, God commands Israel to completely destroy the Amalekites as an act of divine judgment. According to the Bible’s broader context, this judgment is for the Amalekites’ earlier, unprovoked attack on Israel during the Exodus, where they targeted the weak and vulnerable. The command reflects the ancient concept of “herem” (total destruction), meaning the people and their possessions were devoted to God and removed entirely, symbolizing punishment for persistent violence and opposition to God’s purposes, and the removal of a corrupting influence from Israel.

To Summarise this verse God orders total destruction as judgment for past cruelty and sustained hostility, framed as justice rather than conquest.

God commanded this which means it was Jesus who said this since Jesus is part of the trinity
So its ok to murder babies and infants?
This verse was used by Netenyahu to justify genociding Palestinians

What about the donkeys? What did they do?

 

[JasGews69x]

Denying God denys transcendentals. if logic doesn’t come from god or truth where does it come from and does it really exit you can’t measure it

It just is

 

[samz]

Another religion thread that will eventually reach hundreds of replies as usual

It's interesting sometimes to view others thoughts on such a complex topic. Whether you believe in Buddhism, Islam, Christianity or the pagan Greek and Norse God's etc. On thing is for sure is we don't fully know. None of us have met a angel or something that confirms that religion is true.

 

[orgㅤ]

Another religion thread that will eventually reach hundreds of replies as usual

repfarm method

 

[looksovernt]

Denying God denys transcendentals. if logic doesn’t come from god and truth doesn’t where does it come from and does it really exist you can’t measure it. does it come from the experience of the mind you can’t prove to exist

Logic and truth aren't physical things that need measurements or a god to create, they hold regardless bcs they're abstract rules

God doesn't negate their existence anymore than not believing in Zeus negates math

 

[JasGews69x]

Logic and truth aren't physical things that need measurements or a god to create, they hold regardless bcs they're abstract rules

Yeah to conceptualise that logic and truth exist - a mind is required since rocks/trees etc dont know logic exist

Logic is a necessary truth - to conceptualise this necessary truth - a necessary mind is required

 

[samz]

God commanded this which means it was Jesus who said this since Jesus is part of the trinity
So its ok to murder babies and infants?
This verse was used by Netenyahu to justify genociding Palestinians

What about the donkeys? What did they do?

Alright this will be long but here we go.


In Christian theology, Jesus is part of the Trinity, but Christians do not believe Jesus is identical to every command attributed to God in the Old Testament in the same way.

Progressive revelation: Christians believe God’s will is revealed gradually.
Jesus is the clearest and final revelation of God’s character (Hebrews 1:1–3).
Jesus explicitly rejects violence, commands love of enemies, protects children, and refuses to use force.
“Let the little children come to me…”
“Love your enemies.”
“Those who live by the sword will perish by the sword.”

Ancient war language & hyperbole
Ancient Near Eastern war texts often used total-destruction language (“destroy everything”) even when that didn’t literally happen.
Evidence:
Amalekites appear alive later in the Bible, meaning they were not actually wiped out.
Similar language is used in other ancient cultures symbolically to mean decisive defeat, not literal genocide.


Judgment narrative, not moral instruction
The Bible describes events; it does not always endorse them as moral examples.
This is a specific judgment story, not a command for future generations.
It is not repeated, nor given as a rule.
Jesus and the prophets later reject violence and bloodshed as God’s desire.


What about the animals — especially the donkeys?
This question actually highlights the problem.
Animals obviously:
Did nothing wrong
Are morally innocent
Why mention them?
In ancient war culture, destroying livestock meant ending a city’s ability to wage war
Animals represented economic power, not moral guilt
Again, this supports the idea of war rhetoric, not ethical instruction


I would say it is VERY important to understand the bible can be very metaphoric at times hence why people may get very confused with the bible not everything should be taken literally for example if Jesus said I am the door. It doesn't literally mean he is a wooden door etc

 

[looksovernt]

Yeah to conceptualise that logic and truth exist - a mind is required since rocks/trees etc dont know logic exist

Logic is a necessary truth - to conceptualise this necessary truth - a necessary mind is required

A mind isn't required for truths to exist, they exist independently of anyone thinking about them

 

[Hirux]

title TBH

Yes but it’s made for kindness so we have to respect it

 

[samz]

Sometimes I wish instead of debating with people online on what religion is real or if it is or not I was busy living a nice life as a 6'6 Tyronelite with a Russian htb by my side. Is that too much for a ethnic like me to ask for

Life is too short to overthink a lot and not make opportunities but my face is why I don't take opportunities or rather try to make some. Just brutal stuff man brutal. Always living like a spectator watching the main characters have fun.

 

[JasGews69x]

In Christian theology, Jesus is part of the Trinity, but Christians do not believe Jesus is identical to every command attributed to God in the Old Testament in the same way.

Ok but was he in heaven commanding this?
Was it another god?

Progressive revelation: Christians believe God’s will is revealed gradually.
Jesus is the clearest and final revelation of God’s character (Hebrews 1:1–3).
Jesus explicitly rejects violence, commands love of enemies, protects children, and refuses to use force.
“Let the little children come to me…”
“Love your enemies.”
“Those who live by the sword will perish by the sword.”

Ok i can use other verses

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

Is this rejecting violence?
ik using violence is required some times but saying he rejects is false

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” Luke 19:27

Ancient Near Eastern war texts often used total-destruction language (“destroy everything”) even when that didn’t literally happen.
Evidence:
Amalekites appear alive later in the Bible, meaning they were not actually wiped out.
Similar language is used in other ancient cultures symbolically to mean decisive defeat, not literal genocide.

It says to kill the babies and infants -
God got angry at Saul for not following his command though

The Bible describes events; it does not always endorse them as moral examples.
This is a specific judgment story, not a command for future generations.
It is not repeated, nor given as a rule.
Jesus and the prophets later reject violence and bloodshed as God’s desire.

But god of OT commanded it
Even if it was a one time thing - is Gods command not moral?

A mind isn't required for truths to exist, they exist independently of anyone thinking about them

To conceptualise truth - a mind is required
To say that statement of yours - a mind is required

 

[samz]

Ok but was he in heaven commanding this?
Was it another god?

Ok i can use other verses

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

Is this rejecting violence?
ik using violence is required some times but saying he rejects is false

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” Luke 19:27

It says to kill the babies and infants -
God got angry at Saul for not following his command though

But god of OT commanded it
Even if it was a one time thing - is Gods command not moral?


To conceptualise truth - a mind is required
To say that statement of yours - a mind is required

You cherrypicked some verses again taking out the context peace doesn't always mean a good thing if it is peace with sin. God came to bring joy into the world with his joy WITHOUT sin. People got to comfortable peacefully being in sin.

Also the kill the babies thing I am not quite sure I will just have to dig further into that but like I said pretty sure that was metaphorical like I said earlier. Nothing is done our of hate from God. Wouldn't make sense since God is a patient God despite how much humans sin.

Also the first statement you said is Yes it is same God but the thing is God is beyond are understanding we can't apply are logic to him he made a human form so they he could show humans he understands the pains humans go through hence why he bled on the cross for humans to show his love for them.

But like I said I am still working on my relationship with God, my life and reading the bible etc so I am not a scholar so I can't give you the best answers I am just using what I know and my logic in what makes sense. I would recommend finding a dedicated scholar I can't really be asked going back and forth debating with you though I am sure you don't mean any harm.

I just want to day dream in peace about the things I probably won't experience in life. Rather then discuss on a forum with someone about what is true and what isn't since we don't really fully know. Remember God is really formed by faith rather then hard concrete evidence.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

title TBH

Religion serves a purpose and it is very important for a society, and I think that you believe that is commonly known as religion are the Abrahamic ones.

You’re going to need to significantly broaden your definition of religion if that’s what you’re talking about.

 

[buddhistking]

Christianity/Islam/Hinduism yes (aka religions with a God to worship), but Buddhism is not a real "religion" it's more of a philosophy and yet it gets thrown in with these religions for dumb reasons

 

[Knid]

Logic and truth aren't physical things that need measurements or a god to create, they hold regardless bcs they're abstract rules

God doesn't negate their existence anymore than not believing in Zeus negates math

It doesn't follow that "they hold regardless because they're abstract rules." You're just describing what logic and truth are, and somewhat poorly as well. You haven't offered an explanation for HOW these things could exist under an atheist materialist worldview, given that these things are, of course, not material.

And God and Zeus are not comparable. It is by pure coincidence that we call powerful beings "gods" and the being with all great-making properties "God." The latter, being an eternal intellect, can ground things which are necessary and universal. Zeus cannot.

 

[looksovernt]

It doesn't follow that "they hold regardless because they're abstract rules." You're just describing what logic and truth are, and somewhat poorly as well. You haven't offered an explanation for HOW these things could exist under an atheist materialist worldview, given that these things are, of course, not material.

And God and Zeus are not comparable. It is by pure coincidence that we call powerful beings "gods" and the being with all great-making properties "God." The latter, being an eternal intellect, can ground things which are necessary and universal. Zeus cannot.

Abstract things don’t need to be material or "grounded" in a mind to exist

Logic and math are necessary relations, not objects

Invoking God just relabels the necessity instead of explaining it

 

[iblamexyz]

title TBH

can't give me one reason why

 

[looksovernt]

can't give me one reason why

Idk I don't even think it I just need reps

 

[iblamexyz]

Idk I don't even think it I just need reps

I am not repping u anymore

 

[looksovernt]

I am not repping u anymore

Then you're not following jesus

Love thy neighbor

I am your org neighbor

Thus you agree with my original statement

Checkmate

 

[iblamexyz]

Then you're not following jesus

Love thy neighbor

I am your org neighbor

Thus you agree with my original statement

Checkmate

I do love you

I just don't have to rep u

 

[looksovernt]

I do love you

I just don't have to rep u

Guess what other race is greedy

Jews

You are being Jewish by not repping me

 

[walrehxx]

Who made me 5'9 then?

ur 5”9 manlet father and 5”3 mother

 

[iblamexyz]

Guess what other race is greedy

Jews

You are being Jewish by not repping me

get out of my inbox

I am not bumping this fuckass thread anymore

 

[looksovernt]

get out of my inbox

I am not bumping this fuckass thread anymore

Fair

 

[Knid]

Abstract things don’t need to be material or "grounded" in a mind to exist

Logic and math are necessary relations, not objects

Invoking God just relabels the necessity instead of explaining it

I agree with mostly everything, minus the idea that we dont need God. I have to ask for an explanation of logic. Like I assume we agree that it actually exists, but in what way, in an abstract realm? And whats its cause?