religion is the biggest cope of all

[Deleted member 11835]

life isnt going your way? "god is testing you"
failing at everything? "god is testing you"
no jaw? "god takes from you so he can give to others"
get cucked? "god will make sure you get to heaven and he gets to hell"

jfl giga copers

 

[Deleted member 11835]

enlightenment bump

 

[Deleted member 9072]

@streege @TheCopefulCurry @sytyl @Dukeys @TRUE_CEL @Lmao

 

[Deleted member 11758]

spongebob penis

 

[Baldingman1998]

Facts

 

[Blue]

 

[Deleted member 11835]

be enlightened

 

[Deleted member 3043]

be enlightened

keep believing in atheism, son.

 

[Deleted member 12303]

so you think something as complex as life happened by mere chance?

 

[Deleted member 9787]

life isnt going your way? "god is testing you"
failing at everything? "god is testing you"
no jaw? "god takes from you so he can give to others"
get cucked? "god will make sure you get to heaven and he gets to hell"

jfl giga copers


View attachment 970900

I mean I guess...

 

[Deleted member 10987]

@streege

 

[Deleted member 4106]

so you think something as complex as life happened by mere chance?

An omnipotent magical being who can do literally anything, is even more complex and came about by chance.
Life didn't just happen, it took billions of years

 

[Deleted member 12303]

An omnipotent magical being who can do literally anything, is even more complex and came about by chance.
Life didn't just happen, it took billions of years

you cannot say the orgin of god because he is beyond your understanding, also the chances of life happening even in billions of year is very low in a random universe

 

[Deleted member 3043]

@streege

Hedonism thread, what could you say to "olol cope" without argument?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

An omnipotent magical being who can do literally anything, is even more complex and came about by chance.

In fact, there is nothing more hazardous, and less probable to happen EVER in this universe, than the apparition of the universe, and its maintaining by the constants and variable, one little change will make us all disappear and yet don't happen. If we follow thermodynamics, the less control over something, the more desorganized it must be yet the most organized thing is the universe and it's also the least controlled possible.

That only could lead to a necessary beeing maintaining it.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

you cannot say the orgin of god because he is beyond your understanding, also the chances of life happening even in billions of year is very low in a random universe

Appeal to ignorance.
The chances of winning the lottery are very low, but we still have several winners. Life did not come at first, there were several "attempts", until a favorable environment appeared.

 

[Baldingman1998]

In fact, there is nothing more hazardous, and less probable to happen EVER in this universe, than the apparition of the universe, and its maintaining by the constants and variable, one little change will make us all disappear and yet don't happen. If we follow thermodynamics, the less control over something, the more desorganized it must be yet the most organized thing is the universe and it's also the least controlled possible.

That only could lead to a necessary beeing maintaining it.

According to probability aliens are real and there are many

 

[Deleted member 12303]

Appeal to ignorance.
The chances of winning the lottery are very low, but we still have several winners. Life did not come at first, there were several "attempts", until a favorable environment appeared.

Its a philosophical discussion I jumped into unprepared

 

[Blue]

Abandon your religion, trust the science and eat the bugs goy

 

[Deleted member 10185]

@streege @TheCopefulCurry @sytyl @Dukeys @TRUE_CEL @Lmao

Why they even fight. Let god settle it after life.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

According to probability aliens are real and there are many

Maybe. Religion don't deny them at all, there are quotes about this possibility in the Qu'ran, and the very existence of Djinns says to us that humans are not alone.

 

[Deleted member 10185]

An omnipotent magical being who can do literally anything, is even more complex and came about by chance.
Life didn't just happen, it took billions of years

Time is cope.. 1 billion year is literally nothing.. It just like getting sleep and waking up.. Yeah and its actually weird that something comes out of existence.. Thats why I actually believe God like thing might exit.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Appeal to ignorance.
The chances of winning the lottery are very low, but we still have several winners. Life did not come at first, there were several "attempts", until a favorable environment appeared.

And what do you want to say by that?

 

[Deleted member 4612]

View attachment 970935

what is on the right? (not the weed, above that)

 

[Deleted member 3043]

what is on the right? (not the weed, above that)

looks like some virtual reality, karaoke weeb stuff.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

In fact, there is nothing more hazardous, and less probable to happen EVER in this universe, than the apparition of the universe, and its maintaining by the constants and variable, one little change will make us all disappear and yet don't happen. If we follow thermodynamics, the less control over something, the more desorganized it must be yet the most organized thing is the universe and it's also the least controlled possible.

That only could lead to a necessary beeing maintaining it.

It is the same reasoning as my comment above.
And there is no way to experience unconsciousness, so if we are here, we are in a universe that worked, even in this small impossibility.
There are billions of planets, but you were born here, because only here can you experience consciousness.
I don't know if I could understand

 

[Deleted member 8853]

What if it actually is true
Let's say an angel shows up at your door and asks you to repent for your sins?

 

[Deleted member 4106]

And what do you want to say by that?

What arguments talking about life's small chances or something that comes up are bullshit

 

[Deleted member 3043]

so if we are here, we are in a universe that worked, even in this small impossibility.

but we'r talking about the act of creation, ie out of nothing, not when creation occured to make life happen.
Pure creation ie creation of potentiality then actualizing it, can't be done by humans or the creation itself. It can only be actualized.
There must be something that was never created to be able to create the rest, and it can't be the universe itself because the universe is finite, and contingent - could have been or not have been.
This is also linked to the necessary beeing that is the condition of possibility of contingency.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

What arguments talking about life's small chances or something that comes up are bullshit

but that's not the point, it's to say that it's stastically it's the least probable thing to happen.
A car creating out of nothing, is 10000000000000x more probable than this world. Yet do you believe in it?

 

[Deleted member 10413]

Its weird how borderline scizophrenic behavior has been normalized in society. Like its seen as normal to put your hands together and speak in your mind that way you can talk to an omnipotent being.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

There must be something that was never created to be able to create the rest, and it can't be the universe itself because the universe is finite, and contingent - could have been or not have been.
This is also linked to the necessary beeing that is the condition of possibility of contingency.

This does not mean that it is God.
I can put the attributes of God in something less absurd, and say that this is the primary cause.
I have the hypothesis that at the beginning there was a type of material that transcends space and time, which gave rise to everything. It is a less absurd hypothesis, which makes more sense.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

but that's not the point, it's to say that it's stastically it's the least probable thing to happen.
A car creating out of nothing, is 10000000000000x more probable than this world. Yet do you believe in it?

I didn't understand your point.
But the last question the answer is no

 

[Deleted member 12002]

An omnipotent magical being who can do literally anything, is even more complex and came about by chance.
Life didn't just happen, it took billions of years

So billions of years ago, it just happened?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I have the hypothesis that at the beginning there was a type of material that transcends space and time, which gave rise to everything. It is a less absurd hypothesis, which makes more sense.

Material can't determine, there must be a form of superior "consciousness".

I'm not saying god is a male or anything tho, i'm saying it's a necessary beeing above any description and outside space and time else he is not god. I don't give him anthropomorphic attributes.

 

[Blue]

what is on the right? (not the weed, above that)

Some ultra consumerist Japanese VR shit

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I didn't understand your point.
But the last question the answer is no

So why would you believe that life comes out of nothing and no conscious superior beeing, while this car creation is more probable and yet don't believe in it?

 

[homo_faber]

in the world we live you need every cope available

 

[Blue]

Im a human born into this world, i see that it is too complex to be just here by random chance, so i believe in god, and religion, and i know gods wisdoms are beyond my limited understanding

Same. Say what you want about religion but shit like the big bang is heaps and bounds more idiotic than anything I've ever seen. Literally goes against the most important scientific rules.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

Material can't determine, there must be a form of superior "consciousness".

First premise is false.
We can look at materials from nature, they "determine" what happens in the environment, yes they were "created", but you understand.
In this case, this material had just taken its course.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

So billions of years ago, it just happened?

Yes

 

[homo_faber]

copito, ergo sum

 

[Deleted member 12303]

Same. Say what you want about religion but shit like the big bang is heaps and bounds more idiotic than anything I've ever seen. Literally goes against the most important scientific rules.

athiests literally believe there just machines

 

[Deleted member 3043]

We can look at materials from nature, they "determine" what happens in the environment, yes they were "created", but you understand.

but that's what i'm saying in a philosophical stance :
There are two forms of creation :
- the real one that rely on creating the potentiality and the actualization
- the looser one, that is about just actualizing what already exist in term of potentiality.

Without a superior consciousness the former is impossible, in fact nothing in this world can reproduce it.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

copito, ergo sum

The necessary beeing is the condition of possibility of the existence of the totally of the CONTINGENCY that is this whole universe.
Without him, no possibility to justify contingency.
And the methological doubt - created by Al ghazali, followed by Descartes - that you call by "cogito ergo sum", is one of the best way to find that it's the sole truth in this universe, everything else is a form of belief.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

So why would you believe that life comes out of nothing and no conscious superior beeing, while this car creation is more probable and yet don't believe in it?

One case does not refute another, I still don't understand what parallel you want to make.

 

[RAITEIII]

@streege @TheCopefulCurry @sytyl @Dukeys @TRUE_CEL @Lmao

U have strong religious beliefs? Blackpill doesnt mix well with religion.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

One case does not refute another, I still don't understand what parallel you want to make.

i'm saying if something has 1/2 chances to appear compared to something that has 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to appear out of nothing, why would you believe that the former is created by a consciousness - humans here let's say - and the latter is hazardous ?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

U have strong religious beliefs? Blackpill doesnt mix up with religion.

?

 

[Deleted member 12303]

U have strong religious beliefs? Blackpill doesnt mix up with religion.

it can