religoncels gtfih

[Grilldaddy❤️]

thats the most popular response from theologians and christian organizations is it not?

I’ve never heard of that response lol, maybe it’s true but idk

 

[Deleted member 116288]

Sure

whast ur believing in Christ and him as a prophet? And ur viewpoint on the Bible

 

[Deleted member 116288]

I’ve never heard of that response lol, maybe it’s true but idk

u can search it up im almsot sure theologians sourced the bible and with the info said 6 was the age of children cutoff froim automatic entrance to heaven

 

[Grilldaddy❤️]

u can search it up im almsot sure theologians sourced the bible and with the info said 6 was the age of children cutoff froim automatic entrance to heaven

That’s just Catholics I searched it on gpt and it said that it’s not found on the Bible, I’m a protestant and we don’t have s specific age cut off

 

[Deleted member 116288]

That’s just Catholics I searched it on gpt and it said that it’s not found on the Bible, I’m a protestant and we don’t have s specific age cut off

u beleive in faith alone? i personally feel that's the most flawed subreligion on Christianity tbh. not trying to hate but it's so hard to define faith and especially in a viewing of an omniscense being

 

[Jager]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

hell

 

[Gamerspyy786]

whast ur believing in Christ and him as a prophet? And ur viewpoint on the Bible

As a Muslim I believe Jesus was a man given divine abilities by God and he was also a prophet. I do believe he was born from a virgin, he brought back people from the dead, healed people etc, but I do not take him as a God the same way christans do. I believe God gave Jesus these miracles. And as for the bible, I don’t believe any modern day version of the bible to be the word of God. I do believe at some point in time the gospel was the true word of God, however people corrupted it and it became unreliable due to people’s corruption of it. That is why God sent humanity’s final messenger, the prophet Mohammad, and God revealed the Quran to him, and it hasn’t been changed since. That was 1400 years ago.


Also one of the pillars of Islam is to believe in all the prophets, and if you reject Jesus, you’re essentially seen as a disbeliever. Because it’s one of the articles of faith. As a Muslim, I have 100% certainty in Jesus’s existence, but I don’t call upon him, nor praise him the same way I would do to God. He is a man unworthy of my worship, but worthy of my respect.

 

[Deleted member 116288]

As a Muslim I believe Jesus was a man given divine abilities by God and he was also a prophet. I do believe he was born from a virgin, he brought back people from the dead, healed people etc, but I do not take him as a God the same way christans do. I believe God gave Jesus these miracles. And as for the bible, I don’t believe any modern day version of the bible to be the word of God. I do believe at some point in time the gospel was the true word of God, however people corrupted it and it became unreliable due to people’s corruption of it. That is why God sent humanity’s final messenger, the prophet Mohammad, and God revealed the Quran to him, and it hasn’t been changed since. That was 1400 years ago.


Also one of the pillars of Islam is to believe in all the prophets, and if you reject Jesus, you’re essentially seen as a disbeliever. Because it’s one of the articles of faith. As a Muslim, I have 100% certainty in Jesus’s existence, but I don’t call upon him, nor praise him the same way I would do to God. He is a man unworthy of my worship, but worthy of my respect.

how can u trust in Christ as a phrophet if u think the bible is just corruption and how about the Dead Sea Scrolls

 

[Grilldaddy❤️]

u beleive in faith alone? i personally feel that's the most flawed subreligion on Christianity tbh. not trying to hate but it's so hard to define faith and especially in a viewing of an omniscense being

We’re saved through grace that’s what I believe and grace comes through faith, faith is just believing in the trinity

 

[Deleted member 116288]

We’re saved through grace that’s what I believe and grace comes through faith, faith is just believing in the trinity

protestantism is the belief in only faith no good works is it not?

 

[Grilldaddy❤️]

protestantism is the belief in only faith no good works is it not?

My denomination Lutheranism believes that good works will come from true faith so therefore if u have faith u will do good works yk

 

[Deleted member 116288]

My denomination Lutheranism believes that good works will come from true faith so therefore if u have faith u will do good works yk

I’m a protestant

u shouldve clarified brother

 

[Gamerspyy786]

how can u trust in Christ as a phrophet if u think the bible is just corruption and how about the Dead Sea Scrolls

As I said the modern day bible has been corrupted, but that doesn’t mean 100% of it is fabricated. I said I do believe at some point the gospel was the true word of God, but most of that has been lost throughout time. The Dead Sea scrolls are not enough for me to believe and consider modern day Christianity is the true religion sent by God for all to follow, as there is just too much overwhelming evidence of its fallacies. The Quran mentions the Torah and the Gospel being the word of God, and that out of all them The Quran will never change. This is God’s promise to humanity.


Then again I’m not too educated about the Dead Sea scrolls. Point is one small manuscript of the bible could not conclude it being the word of God.

 

[Gamerspyy786]

how can u trust in Christ as a phrophet if u think the bible is just corruption and how about the Dead Sea Scrolls

And I trust Jesus as a prophet because I believe in God and what he revealed, which is the Quran. Within the Quran it mentions Jesus by name, therefore I have to believe in it. But remember this isn’t blind faith as most christans have, it’s logical reasoning that I could get into if you want. But that’s just the short answer as to why I believe in Jesus.

 

[Deleted member 116288]

As I said the modern day bible has been corrupted, but that doesn’t mean 100% of it is fabricated. I said I do believe at some point the gospel was the true word of God, but most of that has been lost throughout time. The Dead Sea scrolls are not enough for me to believe and consider modern day Christianity is the true religion sent by God for all to follow, as there is just too much overwhelming evidence of its fallacies. The Quran mentions the Torah and the Gospel being the word of God, and that out of all them The Quran will never change. This is God’s promise to humanity.


Then again I’m not too educated about the Dead Sea scrolls. Point one one small manuscript of the bible could not conclude it being the word of God.

Sorry to bombard u with questions, but how are u so sure the other texts are corrupt yet the quran is not corrupted? It's been over 15 centuries, and while the hadith may be ur proof, still, what stopped governments from writing fake history about it being preserved. Persxonally Im athiest and a little agnostic but have been Catholic and taken interest in Islam before

 

[Deleted member 116288]

isn’t blind faith as most christans have,

I'd say it's extreme faith to believe wholeheartedly that the Qurans stayed untouched, no original manuscripts are present and there is no concrete evidence of perfect oral transmission through ages

 

[ngannou]

billions of people die without knowing the fullness of Christianity and the theology of it, so i feel this arguement ur using is pretty flawed and stretched-out but i understand what ur trying to say

He becomes dalit food regardless

I had this exact same thought a few months ago. I was wondering what happened to ppl who lived like 50000yrs ago. A Christian and Muslim both told me that somebody will tell them the teachings of the religion when they die, and then they will be given a test of some sort in the afterlife to determine whether they go to heaven or hell

Sure

who said that it only applies to children under 6?

I do have my own definition but it’s hard to say whether I’m right as it’s not as outlined in the bible as people hope so it’s interpretation for most

@Jewgymmaxx

same ngl i was the most religious in my family but now i just can’t believe it anymore. i tried to but

hell

@mmmousaa
According to the Bible whether you believe or not it says evidence is given to everyone in the world about the true God.

Romans 1:19-21​

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New International Version​

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19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

So even though you guys think there are people who are in environment remote to the Gospel God gives clear evidences or even supernatural encounters.

Whether you believe or not,
this guy shows his testimony about his encounter on Jesus
which his testimony gives high reliability because
he was a soldier in hezbullah and it is a courage to convert from Muslim to Christian you might even die especially if you were in Islamic armed or terrorist group for betrayal

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Sorry to bombard u with questions, but how are u so sure the other texts are corrupt yet the quran is not corrupted? It's been over 15 centuries, and while the hadith may be ur proof, still, what stopped governments from writing fake history about it being preserved. Persxonally Im athiest and a little agnostic but have been Catholic and taken interest in Islam before

Nah man all good

The reason why I believe the Quran is the word of God truly is because of

1. The manuscripts
2. The predictions within the Quran logically impossible for any man to write
3. The linguistic miracle of the Quran

The manuscripts of the Quran have been dated back all the way to when the prophet Mohammad pbuh was alive. There’s been many from that time, to hundreds of years after, and the Quran has remained the same. Every letter, and every detail has all remained the same. It’s been broadcasted by mainstream media as well, and I seriously doubt they would EVER give positive propaganda towards Islam due to their hatred for the religion. (Because of Zionism running the media, they view Islam as a threat due to opposing views and strong beliefs)

2. The Quran has had many predictions in it to where nobody can say it was just by luck. For example, the most notable one

Surah Ar-Rum (30:2–4):

“The Romans have been defeated in the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will overcome. Within three to nine years.”

This prophecy predicted that the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantines) would be defeated by the Persians, which they were around 613–614 CE. But it also predicted their comeback within a few years — and indeed, the Byzantines defeated the Persians around 627 CE under Emperor Heraclius, within the 3 to 9 year window.

Nobody could have predicted this happening. The Roman’s were in such a dark time nobody could have ever predicated their victory. And when this verse was revealed people were in shock. However it came true.

Also,

Surah Al-Hijr (15:9):
“Indeed, We have sent down the Reminder, and indeed, We will guard it.”

As muslims we believe this verse predicts the Quran would be protected from corruption. Despite being revealed over 1400 years ago, the Qur’an is widely memorized and preserved in its original Arabic form. The fact that this book has not been changed at all within all the years is proof that this is truly the word of God.

3. the linguistic miracle

Before the Qur’an was revealed, classical Arabic was already a highly developed and refined language. The Arabs of the time were master poets, and poetry competitions were common. Eloquence in speech was a source of pride.





When the Qur’an was revealed, even the best Arab poets were stunned. They said it didn’t resemble poetry, prose, or any known form of speech — it was completely unique, yet somehow still perfect in rhythm, grammar, and meaning.

The Qur’an repeatedly challenges people to produce something like it, even a single chapter:


“If you are in doubt about what We have sent down… then produce a surah (chapter) like it.”

(Surah Al-Baqarah 2:23)


Despite this open challenge — and the fact that many Arabs were hostile to Islam — no one was able to meet it, even though the shortest chapter of the Qur’an is only three verses.

What makes the Quran in Arabic unique?


Here are a few elements:

• New literary form: It’s not poetry (which followed specific rhyme and meter) or prose. It’s something completely new in structure and style — scholars later called it “Quranic discourse”.
• Deep meaning in few words: The Qur’an often conveys multiple layers of meaning in very short verses.
• Perfect word choice: Changing even one word often breaks the rhythm, structure, or deeper meaning.
• Balanced rhythm and sound: Without strict rhyming rules, it still has a captivating flow that remains powerful whether recited slowly or quickly.

it’s 7 am and I’m really tired sorry if this wasn’t that detailed I tried my best

If u have more questions lmk

 

[Deleted member 163523]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

I'll answer from a Shia perspective because I'm a Shi'i Muslim.

In Islam, a child wouldn't be accounted for his beliefs or actions since they aren't baligh (religiously mature and considered responsible for their actions) so they will not enter hell.

An Adult who has never properly received the message of Islam either through lack of communication (e.g tribes in the Amazon Rainforest who have never heard of Islam) or those who have weak reason etc Aren't necessarily guaranteed heaven or hell, rather we just say that there is possibility in their deliverance.

 

[Gamerspyy786]

I'd say it's extreme faith to believe wholeheartedly that the Qurans stayed untouched, no original manuscripts are present and there is no concrete evidence of perfect oral transmission through ages

There’s been many, Birmingham manuscript dates back to the time of the prophet Mohammad pbuh

 

[Deleted member 116288]

According to the Bible whether you believe or not it says evidence is given to everyone in the world about the true God.

Romans 1:19-21​

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New International Version​

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19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

So even though you guys think there are people who are in environment remote to the Gospel God gives clear evidences or even supernatural encounters.

Whether you believe or not, this guy shows his testimony about his encounter on Jesus which his testimony gives higher reliability because he was a soldier in hezbullah and it is a courage to convert from Muslim to Christian you might even die especially if you were in Islamic armed or terrorist group

geographical determinism is litterely true tho where there are some exceptions like those 2 u could say the same about any other religon

 

[Deleted member 116288]

Nah man all good

The reason why I believe the Quran is the word of God truly is because of

1. The manuscripts
2. The predictions within the Quran logically impossible for any man to write
3. The linguistic miracle of the Quran

The manuscripts of the Quran have been dated back all the way to when the prophet Mohammad pbuh was alive. There’s been many from that time, to hundreds of years after, and the Quran has remained the same. Every letter, and every detail has all remained the same. It’s been broadcasted by mainstream media as well, and I seriously doubt they would EVER give positive propaganda towards Islam due to their hatred for the religion. (Because of Zionism running the media, they view Islam as a threat due to opposing views and strong beliefs)

2. The Quran has had many predictions in it to where nobody can say it was just by luck. For example, the most notable one

Surah Ar-Rum (30:2–4):

“The Romans have been defeated in the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will overcome. Within three to nine years.”

This prophecy predicted that the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantines) would be defeated by the Persians, which they were around 613–614 CE. But it also predicted their comeback within a few years — and indeed, the Byzantines defeated the Persians around 627 CE under Emperor Heraclius, within the 3 to 9 year window.

Nobody could have predicted this happening. The Roman’s were in such a dark time nobody could have ever predicated their victory. And when this verse was revealed people were in shock. However it came true.

Also,

Surah Al-Hijr (15:9):
“Indeed, We have sent down the Reminder, and indeed, We will guard it.”

As muslims we believe this verse predicts the Quran would be protected from corruption. Despite being revealed over 1400 years ago, the Qur’an is widely memorized and preserved in its original Arabic form. The fact that this book has not been changed at all within all the years is proof that this is truly the word of God.

3. the linguistic miracle

Before the Qur’an was revealed, classical Arabic was already a highly developed and refined language. The Arabs of the time were master poets, and poetry competitions were common. Eloquence in speech was a source of pride.





When the Qur’an was revealed, even the best Arab poets were stunned. They said it didn’t resemble poetry, prose, or any known form of speech — it was completely unique, yet somehow still perfect in rhythm, grammar, and meaning.

The Qur’an repeatedly challenges people to produce something like it, even a single chapter:


“If you are in doubt about what We have sent down… then produce a surah (chapter) like it.”

(Surah Al-Baqarah 2:23)


Despite this open challenge — and the fact that many Arabs were hostile to Islam — no one was able to meet it, even though the shortest chapter of the Qur’an is only three verses.

What makes the Quran in Arabic unique?


Here are a few elements:

• New literary form: It’s not poetry (which followed specific rhyme and meter) or prose. It’s something completely new in structure and style — scholars later called it “Quranic discourse”.
• Deep meaning in few words: The Qur’an often conveys multiple layers of meaning in very short verses.
• Perfect word choice: Changing even one word often breaks the rhythm, structure, or deeper meaning.
• Balanced rhythm and sound: Without strict rhyming rules, it still has a captivating flow that remains powerful whether recited slowly or quickly.

it’s 7 am and I’m really tired sorry if this wasn’t that detailed I tried my best

If u have more questions lmk

thanks, bro, ima a read more complexly later when I have time since u gave me ur reason, u believe I'll give u the main reason I don't. I just had gpt format it, btw.

• If there was only one unchanged Qur’an since Muhammad, why were different regions reciting it differently?
• Clearly, variations existed, even shortly after his death.

2. Uthman Destroyed Evidence​

• If the Qur’an was already preserved, why burn other copies?
• This suggests some readings were rejected—a form of editing history.

3. The "Uthmanic Codex" Is a Human Standard​

• Uthman chose one version over others. That’s not divine preservation, that’s political standardization.
• What if the “correct” reading was among the ones destroyed?

4. Burning Other Versions Prevents Verification​

• Muslims today say the Qur’an is “unchanged,” but that’s only true after Uthman destroyed all alternatives.
• You can’t compare today's version to the early ones—because he burned them.

theres many more reasons why im not religious but uthman and my curiosity was mostly why when I was catholic i never converted

 

[ngannou]

geographical determinism is litterely true tho where there are some exceptions like those 2 u could say the same about any other religon

What it is saying is everybody gets an evidence even though you are in country where Jesus is not mentioned often not an exception for only few people

 

[Deleted member 116288]

thanks, bro, ima a read more complexly later when I have time since u gave me ur reason, u believe I'll give u the main reason I don't. I just had gpt format it, btw.

• If there was only one unchanged Qur’an since Muhammad, why were different regions reciting it differently?
• Clearly, variations existed, even shortly after his death.

2. Uthman Destroyed Evidence​

• If the Qur’an was already preserved, why burn other copies?
• This suggests some readings were rejected—a form of editing history.

3. The "Uthmanic Codex" Is a Human Standard​

• Uthman chose one version over others. That’s not divine preservation, that’s political standardization.
• What if the “correct” reading was among the ones destroyed?

4. Burning Other Versions Prevents Verification​

• Muslims today say the Qur’an is “unchanged,” but that’s only true after Uthman destroyed all alternatives.
• You can’t compare today's version to the early ones—because he burned them.

theres many more reasons why im not religious but uthman and my curiosity was mostly why when I was catholic i never converted

Islamic sources mention the Qur’an was revealed in seven “Ahruf” (modes/variants).

• These are different accepted ways of reciting or wording the Qur’an.
• Most of these have vanished, and we don’t even fully understand what “Ahruf” meant.

This shows:

Even Prophet Muhammad’s companions had different versions, and Islam has lost most of the original variations.

 

[Deleted member 116288]

What it is saying is everybody gets an evidence even though you are in country where Jesus is not mentioned often not an exception for only few people

ik what ur saying, but I bet u this could be relatable to many religions through the years, this whole;e sudden conversion is not a new concept and a distinct evidence of Christ

 

[Gamerspyy786]

thanks, bro, ima a read more complexly later when I have time since u gave me ur reason, u believe I'll give u the main reason I don't. I just had gpt format it, btw.

• If there was only one unchanged Qur’an since Muhammad, why were different regions reciting it differently?
• Clearly, variations existed, even shortly after his death.

2. Uthman Destroyed Evidence​

• If the Qur’an was already preserved, why burn other copies?
• This suggests some readings were rejected—a form of editing history.

3. The "Uthmanic Codex" Is a Human Standard​

• Uthman chose one version over others. That’s not divine preservation, that’s political standardization.
• What if the “correct” reading was among the ones destroyed?

4. Burning Other Versions Prevents Verification​

• Muslims today say the Qur’an is “unchanged,” but that’s only true after Uthman destroyed all alternatives.
• You can’t compare today's version to the early ones—because he burned them.

theres many more reasons why im not religious but uthman and my curiosity was mostly why when I was catholic i never converted

I watched a video coming at this topic directly, and they answered this question and cleared my doubts about it too





The Quran was never burned, but the notes that the sahaba had were. The version that was revealed to the prophet remained the same.

 

[ngannou]

ik what ur saying, but I bet u this could be relatable to many religions through the years, this whole;e sudden conversion is not a new concept and a distinct evidence of Christ

Oh so you wanna know why Jesus is the true God right?

Because he was the one who perfectly fullfills the prophecy of the messiah which was mentioned thousands of years ago before in the Old Testament when he came to earth
I can elaborate more if you have time to spare

 

[squirrel_solitaire]

Islam Christianity blabla are for weak, religions are shit and they are easily debunked

You don't have to study them for years to discovered that they all say that universe including earth was created in 6 days, and sun was created after earth ... I don't even see the point to continue criticizing them after that

 

[Deleted member 116288]

Oh so you wanna know why Jesus is the true God right?

Because he was the one who perfectly fullfills the prophecy of the messiah which was mentioned thousands of years ago before in the Old Testament when he came to earth
I can elaborate more if you have time to spare

Isaiah 52:12 is the best foreshadowing of this prophecy. I have spent much time learning when i used to be a catholic

 

[Deleted member 116288]

Islam Christianity blabla are for weak, religions are shit and they are easily debunked

You don't have to study them for years to discovered that they all say that universe including earth was created in 6 days, and sun was created after earth ... I don't even see the point to continue criticizing them after that

im not religious but most theologians say the 6 day is just used in a figurative manner

 

[Deleted member 116288]

I watched a video coming at this topic directly, and they answered this question and cleared my doubts about it too





The Quran was never burned, but the notes that the sahaba had were. The version that was revealed to the prophet remained the same.

thanks that really clears it up but sorry to ask is that video backed up any proof since i havent seen many sources saying stuff such as this

 

[ngannou]

Isaiah 52:12 is the best foreshadowing of this prophecy. I have spent much time learning when i used to be a catholic

Also there are various verse where God speaks like if they are speaking separately similar as the New Testament where Holy Spirit Father and the Son speaks separately.

For example in book of Daniel. Daniel calls someone Lord and the man who is called Lord also refers other being Lord(God) like if they are speaking separately

 

[Deleted member 116288]

Also there are various verse where God speaks like if they are speaking separately similar as the New Testament where Holy Spirit Father and the Son speaks separately

preciate it but tbh i investigated christianity a decent bit imo and have declared myself an atheist now because of many things that don't resonate or make sense to me in all of the religons

 

[ngannou]

preciate it but tbh i investigated christianity a decent bit imo and have declared myself an atheist now because of many things that don't resonate or make sense to me in all of the religons

Do you know all other religions are satan worship in disguise and global elites in the world celebrities politicians Zionist Kabbalah Jews… etc worship satanism?

 

[Deleted member 116288]

Do you know all other religions are satan worship in disguise and global elites in the world celebrities politicians Zionist Kabbalah Jews… etc worship satanism?

Zionists are evil, yes, but mostly the Jewish beliefs are just a mask so they can use it to their benefit i doubt most of these zionist officials and celebrities even believe in God

 

[Gamerspyy786]

thanks that really clears it up but sorry to ask is that video backed up any proof since i havent seen many sources saying stuff such as this

Sure, here’s a video going into detail about the topic. It has sources as well




If you want to skip to your question, go to 6:25 it provides a bit of context, then gets into uthman his whole involvement with the Quran

 

[ngannou]

Zionists are evil, yes, but mostly the Jewish beliefs are just a mask so they can use it to their benefit i doubt most of these zionist officials and celebrities even believe in God

They actually believe in distorted Judaism called Kabbalah which includes Satan worship. I am
Not even joking that every single religions and ideologies came from satanism, and pagan religions that Bible condemns Islam, Hinduism Buddhism I have clear evidence of all of that

Also atheism was also spreaded from Freemasons

Karl Marx , Fredri neitzhche Charles Darwin wall all freemasons.

Those who spread atheists aren’t atheists but disguised satanists

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

billions of people die without knowing the fullness of Christianity and the theology of it, so i feel this arguement ur using is pretty flawed and stretched-out but i understand what ur trying to say

@keife is right


The Relgion states god is a just god, it’s only jsut that he judges you on tool and things within your power. If one hasn’t met or heard the word of God is is taught false doctrine like in the western traditions of the faith then they will be judged according to WHAT they know.

It’s that simple

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

Nope he won’t go to hell because the word wasn’t taught to him. It’s like many Muslims in the west never had a Christian’s actually preach to them the truth and thus they are not responsible for their ignorance. Now if a person like me shows the faggotry of Islam and destroys it and the Muslim still copes then yeah he is fucked

You must first remove western Christian nonsense theology from your mind. Roman Catholicism and Protestantism leads to atheism because both are retarded and wrong. Hell isn’t some firey abode where you burn forever, hell is the result of WILLINGLY rejecting God aka committing blasphemy to the Holy Spirit. Gods light is felt like fire to you and to the chosen it’s felt like warmth and grace. Hell is an experience not a place. Unfortunately western Christianity is so wrong and false it leads to nonsense which is why I can’t fault you for leaving the faith if you were Protestant or Catholic

The Bible also says children aren’t of a certain age to do sin… so no

Romans 5:13
“To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.” (This is for those who never heard the news of Christ properly or ever at all like those andamanese islanders that killed a preacher they didn’t know any better)

Isaiah 7:15–16
“He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.”

Deuteronomy 1:39
“And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.”

So basically the Bible answers your question



Also yes Uthman burnt the qurans Islamic sources state this. It wasn’t just notes it was literal qurans and this is proven by Hadith authors such as Ibn Mas’ud and Ibn Kaab saying this themselves here’s evidence because the Mohammedens lie and lie and chat shit for their silly religion. This whole website page refuted every silly Muslim argument on training their OWN SOURCES, Muslims have to cope so hard

https://www.namb.net/apologetics/resource/has-the-qur-an-been-perfectly-preserved/

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Jami At-Tirmidhi 3104–Az-Zuhri said: “Ubaidullah bin Abdullah bin Utbah informed me that Abdullah bin Mas’ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: ‘O you Muslim people! Avoid copying the Mushaf and recitation of this man. By Allah! When I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man’–meaning Zaid bin Thabit–and it was regarding this that Abdullah bin Mas’ud said: ‘O people of Al-Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them. For indeed Allah said: And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement. So meet Allah with the Musahif.'”


‘Narrated Masruq: ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr mentioned ‘Abdullah bin Mas’ud and said: I shall ever love that man for I heard the Prophet saying: Take (learn) the Qur’an from four: ‘Abdullah bin Mas’ud, Salim, Muiadh and Ubay bin Ka’b’. [Bukhari, VI, No. 521.]

These screenshots are jsut snippets from the site I linked you 2, the silly argument Muslims use to cope with are refuted simply by these here he even refutes the silly Muslim counter arguments towards the end of the page. It’s so cringe in their part don’t be fooled by their lies

 

[Deleted member 116288]

Are u orthodox ?

 

[Deleted member 116288]

Nope he won’t go to hell because the word wasn’t taught to him. It’s like many Muslims in the west never had a Christian’s actually preach to them the truth and thus they are not responsible for their ignorance. Now if a person like me shows the faggotry of Islam and destroys it and the Muslim still copes then yeah he is fucked

You must first remove western Christian nonsense theology from your mind. Roman Catholicism and Protestantism leads to atheism because both are retarded and wrong. Hell isn’t some firey abode where you burn forever, hell is the result of WILLINGLY rejecting God aka committing blasphemy to the Holy Spirit. Gods light is felt like fire to you and to the chosen it’s felt like warmth and grace. Hell is an experience not a place. Unfortunately western Christianity is so wrong and false it leads to nonsense which is why I can’t fault you for leaving the faith if you were Protestant or Catholic

The Bible also says children aren’t of a certain age to do sin… so no

Romans 5:13
“To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.” (This is for those who never heard the news of Christ properly or ever at all like those andamanese islanders that killed a preacher they didn’t know any better)

Isaiah 7:15–16
“He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.”

Deuteronomy 1:39
“And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.”

So basically the Bible answers your question



Also yes Uthman burnt the qurans Islamic sources state this. It wasn’t just notes it was literal qurans and this is proven by Hadith authors such as Ibn Mas’ud and Ibn Kaab saying this themselves here’s evidence because the Mohammedens lie and lie and chat shit for their silly religion. This whole website page refuted every silly Muslim argument on training their OWN SOURCES, Muslims have to cope so hard

https://www.namb.net/apologetics/resource/has-the-qur-an-been-perfectly-preserved/

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Jami At-Tirmidhi 3104–Az-Zuhri said: “Ubaidullah bin Abdullah bin Utbah informed me that Abdullah bin Mas’ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: ‘O you Muslim people! Avoid copying the Mushaf and recitation of this man. By Allah! When I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man’–meaning Zaid bin Thabit–and it was regarding this that Abdullah bin Mas’ud said: ‘O people of Al-Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them. For indeed Allah said: And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement. So meet Allah with the Musahif.'”


‘Narrated Masruq: ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr mentioned ‘Abdullah bin Mas’ud and said: I shall ever love that man for I heard the Prophet saying: Take (learn) the Qur’an from four: ‘Abdullah bin Mas’ud, Salim, Muiadh and Ubay bin Ka’b’. [Bukhari, VI, No. 521.]


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These screenshots are jsut snippets from the site I linked you 2, the silly argument Muslims use to cope with are refuted simply by these here he even refutes the silly Muslim counter arguments towards the end of the page. It’s so cringe in their part don’t be fooled by their lies

are u orthodox

 

[squirrel_solitaire]

im not religious but most theologians say the 6 day is just used in a figurative manner

Those of today Yeah, but we should focus more on those who lived at those period and how they understood it

In islam it means our actual days, some theologist said each day mean 1000 years

 

[LTNUser]

Christianity isn’t the truth. They worship a man as God.

Islam is the truth. They worship one God.

If you need the fear of punishment to be good then are you really good man?

 

[Gamerspyy786]

If you need the fear of punishment to be good then are you really good man?

It’s not just the fear of punishment but the promise of good later in the afterlife as well for being good in this life

 

[John6Enjoyer]

My question to mostly for Christians (since their the most popular here on this forum).
In this hypothetical, it's different from most, where people just ask if children who never knew about Christ died, what would happen to them.
But in this hypothetical, it's very simple, let's say ur a child who has been taught the Muslim teachings since birth, and a traveler gives u an article about Christianity and how it's the true religion. U throw it away since you subconsciously just deny it, since you've been taught the Muslim teachings from birth. Let's say 1 hour later, the child dies, would he go to Hell, since he denied Christianity? If so, i feel that's so flawed, but at the same time, if u say he goes to heaven, then that counteracts all the prior teachings about how u must accept Christ.

I'm late but this thing depends

If the child is fully conscious and has an intelligence of the choice they're making they're going to hell

If not they're saved by God's grace because they were Invincible ignorant