REMINDER: Any amount of roiding is looksminning.

[brutal_blackpill]

Higher testosterone levels above the normal range will make your skin oily, give you acne, accelerate your hair loss, age you, and fuck up your endocrine system if you do it long term. First of all, testosterone is an androgen and contrary to what most people think, DHT is not the only thing that causes MPB. It's called androgenic alopecia for a reason and so if you're prone to it, taking T will worsen it, and other roids much more so. Secondly, it has been shown repeatedly that testosterone above the normal range (which is the whole point of injecting it) reduces collagen synthesis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5172501/.

Lastly, many people who roid often take aromatase inhibitors to reduce estrogen and prevent gynecomastia. Guess what? That enzyme will block off a lot of estrogen. Lowering your estrogen levels significantly..you guessed it...worsens your hair and ages your skin. NEVER EVER take testosterone unless you have CLINICALLY below levels of T. Don't even get me started on DHT roids, trenbolone, etc.

In summary, if you roid, in any sort of respect, you are a looksminner. You cannot call yourself a looksmaxxer period. Stop trying to cheat and start working hard like everyone else. Many of the greatest athletes never needed to roid. You don't need to either. Muh "look at me, my hair and everything is fine after my cycle". Yeah, sure it is. Maybe for a a month since you're still young and then it's all downhill. "But I have bad genetics". Stop this cope. 95% of the people on this forum who talk about substances you want to take don't even lift.

 

[Britishlooksmaxxer]

@Lev Peshkov @Copemaxxing about to end this mans career

 

[Lev Peshkov]

@Lev Peshkov @Copemaxxing about to end this mans career

Playing the highest iq card I possibly can

@looxmakser49

 

[hairyballscel]

@Lifeisgood72
isn't testosterone good for collagen?

 

[Deleted member 6217]

low iq tbh not even gonna argue with you

 

[Deleted member 7776]

I'd say if you're not prone to MPB then you should roid

 

[MentalistKebab]

@Lifeisgood72
isn't testosterone good for collagen?

Yeah, I also heard low dose Test (100-150 mg per week) is actually good for collagen.

 

[Copemaxxing]

I just say look at jeff seids skin.

“YES GOY STAY LOW T,AVERAGE T IS IDEAL GOY“


Those are high optimal t measurements
people will achieve his t levels only by roiding

 

[hairyballscel]

Yeah, I also heard low dose Test (100-150 mg per week) is actually good for collagen.

maybe its extremely high supraphysiological levels that are bad for collagen, im pretty sure DHT can cause acne, so there might be a sweet spot

 

[Loud_Jock]

Higher testosterone levels above the normal range will make your skin oily, give you acne, age you, and fuck up your endocrine system if you do it long term. It has been shown repeatedly that testosterone reduces collagen synthesis. NEVER EVER take testosterone unless you have CLINICALLY below levels of T. Don't even get me started on DHT roids, trenbolone, etc.

Secondly, many people who roid often take aromatase inhibitors to reduce estrogen and prevent gynecomastia. Guess what? That enzyme will block off a lot of estrogen. Lowering your estrogen levels significantly..you guessed it...ages your skin.

In summary, if you roid, in any sort of respect, you are a looksminner, not a looksmaxxer. You cannot call yourself a looksmaxxer period. Stop trying to cheat and start working hard like everyone else. Many of the greatest athletes never needed to roid. You don't need to either. Muh "look at me, my skin and everything is fine after my cycle". Yeah, sure it is. Maybe for a few months and then it's all downhill.

"But I have bad genetics". Stop this cope. 95% of you don't even lift and have not reached anywhere near your natty potential.

Very low IQ. Too many errors to address.

For one you lower estrogen back down to your natural baseline, not lower. Hell most roiders prefer to have their E on the high side.

 

[Copemaxxing]

Yeah, I also heard low dose Test (100-150 mg per week) is actually good for collagen.

Anything above 250mg test could potentially fuck your collagen a bit. But under 250 mg everything should be fine lol

 

[brutal_blackpill]

@Lifeisgood72
isn't testosterone good for collagen?

No. It can be good within normal range but most roiders try to get it above normal range for added protein synthesis. Anything above normal range literally inhibits collagen synthesis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5172501/

 

[Deleted member 6217]

No. It can be good within normal range but most roiders try to get it above normal range for added protein synthesis. Anything above normal range literally inhibits collagen synthesis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5172501/

yea

 

[brutal_blackpill]

Anything above 250mg test could potentially fuck your collagen a bit. But under 250 mg everything should be fine lol

Most people aren't taking 250 mg test per week. Secondly, there is no such thing as a magic "250 mg" barrier. Any amount of testosterone that takes you above the range of 300 to 1,000 ng/dL will produce the effects I mentioned. But if it's within normal range, you're not boosting your muscle growth or protein synthesis by much anyways, so why bother?

 

[Deleted member 6217]

Most people aren't taking 250 mg test per week. Secondly, there is no such thing as a magic "250 mg" barrier. Any amount of testosterone that takes you above the range of 300 to 1,000 ng/dL will produce the effects I mentioned. But if it's within normal range, you're not boosting your muscle growth or protein synthesis by much anyways, so why bother?

you said any amount of roiding you can build alot of muscle with 250+an oral which boost androgen receptors/collagen not even talking about hgh

 

[JustAFewMM]

It makes me so angry how everything has bad side effects and consequences

 

[Copemaxxing]

Most people aren't taking 250 mg test per week. Secondly, there is no such thing as a magic "250 mg" barrier. Any amount of testosterone that takes you above the range of 300 to 1,000 ng/dL will produce the effects I mentioned. But if it's within normal range, you're not boosting your muscle growth or protein synthesis by much anyways, so why bother?

250 mg test + diabol for 12 weeks is fucking enough to reach beautiful results. A pct after and you are recovered anyways lol

 

[brutal_blackpill]

you said any amount of roiding you can build alot of muscle with 250+an oral which boost androgen receptors/collagen not even talking about hgh

250mg + an oral will put you above normal range. Below that is getting close to a TRT dose which I don't consider roiding Let's be real. 95% of the people here roiding are nowhere near TRT doses. The whole point of TRT is to get back to levels of a young man and is designed for OLDER men, not to get ABOVE the range of T levels of a young man.

 

[hairyballscel]

No. It can be good within normal range but most roiders try to get it above normal range for added protein synthesis. Anything above normal range literally inhibits collagen synthesis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5172501/

thanks for the info

 

[MentalistKebab]

Most people aren't taking 250 mg test per week. Secondly, there is no such thing as a magic "250 mg" barrier. Any amount of testosterone that takes you above the range of 300 to 1,000 ng/dL will produce the effects I mentioned. But if it's within normal range, you're not boosting your muscle growth or protein synthesis by much anyways, so why bother?

How about low test base + orals like Anavar ?

How would that effect collagen ?

 

[Deleted member 4612]

@Blackpillsuicide @tincelw

what about viagra? i heard that helps skin and helps boost testosterone

 

[Deleted member 6217]

How about low test base + orals like Anavar ?

How would that effect collagen ?

cycle anavar as it boost collagen short term but loses its effects overtime

 

[brutal_blackpill]

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I just say look at jeff seids skin.

“YES GOY STAY LOW T,AVERAGE T IS IDEAL GOY“


Those are high optimal t measurementsView attachment 597077
people will achieve his t levels only by roiding

You can get to above average levels of T by simply sleeping well, having an optimal diet, and lifting regularly.

 

[user1728482728]

@Blackpillsuicide @tincelw

what about viagra? i heard that helps skin and helps boost testosterone

Helps with blood flow which makes skin look fuller and healthier think that’s all it does though

 

[needsolution]

Most people aren't taking 250 mg test per week. Secondly, there is no such thing as a magic "250 mg" barrier. Any amount of testosterone that takes you above the range of 300 to 1,000 ng/dL will produce the effects I mentioned. But if it's within normal range, you're not boosting your muscle growth or protein synthesis by much anyways, so why bother?

Not arguing with thread. But this what you said here is just plain wrong...


Even IFBB pro said that 150mg is day and night for him.

 

[Yliaster]

Carlton Loth is on like 6 different steroid cycles,and still manages to look very young and be giga chad.Dude has probably the most insane physique in the fitness community https://www.instagram.com/carltonloth/

 

[Copemaxxing]

You can get to above average levels of T by simply sleeping well, having an optimal diet, and lifting regularly.

jeff was literall on fucking tren he admitted once

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Helps with blood flow which makes skin look fuller and healthier think that’s all it does though

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that says it does more

 

[brutal_blackpill]

Carlton Loth is on like 6 different steroid cycles,and still manages to look very young and be giga chad.Dude has probably the most insane physique in the fitness community https://www.instagram.com/carltonloth/

Cherrypicked example of a man who is still young. Most of the effects will obviously be more pronounced long term. An 18 year old roiding will not suddenly look 35 years old in a month. It's a gradual process. His face arguably looks older already though.

 

[Deleted member 6305]

natty is coping

 

[Deleted member 6217]

jeff was literall on fucking tren he admitted once

go on tren then if ur a low inhib god

 

[JamesHowlett]

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I just say look at jeff seids skin.

“YES GOY STAY LOW T,AVERAGE T IS IDEAL GOY“


Those are high optimal t measurementsView attachment 597077
people will achieve his t levels only by roiding

Taking T after puberty won’t grow bone.

 

[Copemaxxing]

go on tren then if ur a low inhib god

No man tren is for idiots tbh. Testo will give you good results already

 

[Copemaxxing]

Taking T after puberty won’t grow bone.

Most people here are 14 anyways

 

[elfmaxx]

Mods, when is this excellent post getting added to the best of the best?

 

[goat2x]

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Cry me an ocean you high inhib rotting dog. 1 year difference.

did ur fucking chin grow?

 

[Copemaxxing]

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Cry me an ocean you high inhib rotting dog. 1 year difference.

Damn roiding was the best decision of your life

 

[ArabIncel]

@brutal_blackpill you realize if one uses fin/RU and holds to a very strict skin care routine while on a testosterone cycle much of what you said can be mitigated? You’re only addressing retards who don’t take the appropriate precautions. Of course *they* will descend.

 

[Loud_Jock]

Ok listen. Testosterone lowers TYPE 2 collagen which is your joints. This can be counteracted with deca or anavar if it becomes a concern.

 

[Loud_Jock]

No. It can be good within normal range but most roiders try to get it above normal range for added protein synthesis. Anything above normal range literally inhibits collagen synthesis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5172501/

Type 2 collagen. Not the type in your skin....

 

[seimakkak]

HGH and gh peptides are great

 

[brutal_blackpill]

Ok listen. Testosterone lowers TYPE 2 collagen which is your joints. This can be counteracted with deca or anavar if it becomes a concern.

Type 2 collagen. Not the type in your skin....

Can you show me the proof that it's ONLY type 2?

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

You won't pay the price in your 20s. It's when you reach your 40s and the abuse of juice makes you infertile, bald, lacking collagen and organ failure.

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

You won't pay the price in your 20s. It's when you reach your 40s and the abuse of juice makes you infertile, bald, lacking collagen and organ failure.

Lol like I care of being infertile in my 40's jfll, also you can prevent , balding and lacking collagen easily

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

Lol like I care of being infertile in my 40's jfll, also you can prevent , balding and lacking collagen easily

You say that now as a young'un but you will heed the consequences of steroid abuse when you're older. Not worth health-minning for a little extra muscle mass in your 20s and 30s.

Besides, a natural lifter with elite genetics will look better than your average juicer by a longshot...

 

[brutal_blackpill]

Lol like I care of being infertile in my 40's jfll, also you can prevent , balding and lacking collagen easily

How? We know that higher testosterone will almost surely inhibt collagen synthesis. How can you prevent it? If you have to take something else to prevent it, then it stands to reason it's better not to do it in the first place.

 

[Julius]

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Cry me an ocean you high inhib rotting dog. 1 year difference.

What the fuck, you grew a new mandible and cheekbones. Also those shoulders are insane

 

[Soalian]

Collagen synthesis just works the way it does. It's not something that is increased/decreased like people say. "increasing collagen" never really made much sense to me. Sure you can do things that interfere with collagen synthesis; but the effects that decreased CS will have on your skin, won't be overwhelming. You can't increase collagen / increase CS as if you're turbo charging it or something like that. Growth hormone, polyphenols and the NRF2 AA cytokines increase skin elastin though, and that matters more than we think.

 

[LooksJourney]

Most beta fear mongering thread, there’s nothing wrong with gear usage if you do it right, especially testosterone, practically zero side effects in 150 - 250mg range. Also who gives a fuck about when you’re in your 40s for all you know you could be hit by a car tomorrow stop being a pussy and actually take risks that’ll greatly maximise your looks.