REMINDER: masturbation and sex is degenerate unless its for progeny - Lessons from historical figures and contemporary figures

[Growth Plate]

i havent masturbated for 10 years and i am a 25 yo khhv

get t levels checked

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

you probably didn't even read all of that yourself

i read it every day. ive read most of the sources. that and taoist texts and the gita is where i source by motivation to not masturbate for over 10 years.
the reason why i was able to so quickly challenge one of the user's false stipulations on sartre with quotes was because i have read most of sartre

 

[Growth Plate]

i read it every day.

it's a good cope for you innit?

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

it's a good cope for you innit?

yes

 

[Deleted member 2632]

This is true to a certain degree, but having a woman and children is most important value ( not sex ) in life

Unless you dedicate yourself to greatness that is, like Tesla, then maybe no family is best

 

[mulattomaxxer]

Meh, full of half truth's, aren't some of these guys coping incels? To an extent I think this is true, I could imagine that the body makes you more aggressive if you haven't had sex, in an effort to make your proceate or rape a woman. An an organism your main function is to live and procreate, I think the concept of your productivity increasing if you abstain from sex for a short period is true. However after a week or two its cope.

Also dopamine released from mastubation may make you lazy, if you choose to masubate constantly to get dopamine. There is also the time and energy wasted pursuing women, over doing something productive. Although alot of these guys are moggers, think about how much time the a normie will waste on PUA or going to the nightclub to pick up women.

 

[ChristianChad]

The correct lesson should be "sex decreases your productivity"

almost everyone there is incel.

William Shakespeare
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Henry david thoreau,No children or wife


Mike Tyson
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Isaac Newton, No children or wife
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Nikola tesla,no childre or wife
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Newton did have a wife

 

[Kuro]

Succes or social life

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[colortheory]

still gonna fap later

cringe

 

[King Solomon]

This shithole, full of frothing, rabid degenerates, is sorely missing redpills from some of history's great. Yes that includes the perceptions of Shakespeare, Freud, Tesla, Tolstoy and Plato standing next to that of Mike Tyson, Miles Davis, Mark Wahlberg, Kayne West, 50cent, and Gracie brothers. They have all had immense success in their respective fields. Therefore, you should listen to them and consider their commentary on the risks of masturbation and sex for the sake of sex - degeneracy.

William Shakespeare

‘The expense of spirit in a waste of shame
Is lust in action; and till action, lust
Is perjured, murderous, bloody, full of blame,
Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust,
Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight,
Past reason hunted, and no sooner had
Past reason hated, as a swallow'd bait
On purpose laid to make the taker mad;
Mad in pursuit and in possession so;
Had, having, and in quest to have, extreme;
A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe;
Before, a joy proposed; behind, a dream.
All this the world well knows; yet none knows well
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell’



Henry David Thoreau

‘The generative energy, which, when we are loose, dissipates and makes us unclean, when we are continent invigorates and inspires us. Chastity is the flowering of man; and what are called Genius, Heroism, Holiness, and the like, are but various fruits which succeed it.’



Doctor John Harvey Kellog

"neither the plague, nor war, nor small-pox, nor similar diseases, have produced results so disastrous to humanity as the pernicious habit of onanism,"

Mark Twain

‘Of all the various kinds of sexual intercourse, this has the least to recommend it. As an amusement it is too fleeting; as an occupation it is too wearing; as a public exhibition there is no money in it. It is unsuited to the drawing room, and in the most cultured society it has long since been banished from the social board…

So, in concluding, I say: If you must gamble away your life sexually, don’t play a Lone Hand too much.

When you feel a revolutionary uprising in your system, get your Vendome Column down some other way — don’t jerk it down.’

(Source: Article - Some Thoughts on the Science of Onanism)



Sigmund Freud Psychologist and Founder of Psychoanalysis

“Freud held the opinion (based on personal experience and observation) that sexual activity was incompatible with the accomplishing of any great work. Since he felt that the great work of creating and establishing psychotherapy was his destiny, he told his wife that they could no longer engage in sexual relations. Indeed from about the age of forty until his death Freud was absolutely celibate "in order to sublimate the libido for creative purposes," according to his biographer Ernest Jones.”
(Source: Sigmund Freud - Psychoanalysis - Psychotherapy )

Mike Tyson

“I never knew that conquering so many women takes so much from you more than adds so much to you. I always read that the great fighters never had sex before fights and I was a young kid and I wanted to be the youngest heavyweight champion in the world, so I restrained myself from sex for around five years.”
( Source: Mike Tyson in ‘Tyson’ and Athletes on Abstinence )

Muhammad Ali

“There’s a kid just come down here named Cassius Clay. If you bet on him every time he fights, you’ll be a rich man, ‘cause he won’t lose a single fight. I believe his thing is sexual control. And he’s got it. Any kid who can control his sex can with the title. I believe it.” (Olympic Boxing Coach, Harry Wiley, quote from book ‘Muhammad Ali, The Greatest.’ Further source:The New Science of Seminal Conservation )

Sir Issac Newton Scientist & Mathematician

“The way to chastity is not to struggle with incontinent thoughts but to avert the thoughts by some employment, or by reading, or by meditating on other things,”

(Source: Letter to philosopher John Locke )

Nikola Tesla Inventor

“He believed that celibacy spurred on the brain…”

One of Tesla’s other biographers, Kenneth Swezey, a journalist who remained close to Tesla in his declining years, called Tesla “an absolute celibate,” and confirmed that
he rarely slept.
(Source: BBC, TeslaUniverse)


Steve Jobs Founder of Apple

“Our birth control method up to that point was Steve’s coitus interruptus, also called the pull-out method, which for him was about his conserving his energy for work,' she wrote. He explained that he didn't want to climax so he could build 'power and wealth by conserving one’s vital energies.” (Source: UK Daily Mail Newspaper )



Saigo Takamori
One of the most influential Samurai in Japanese history, known as “The Last True Samurai”

“Although Saigo would remarry twice, father five children, and keep a company of Kyoto geisha, in 1854 he prided himself on avoiding women entirely. He saw abstinence as empowering rather than constraining…In his youth Saigo saw sex not as pleasurable dissipation or intimacy but as an impediment to happiness and loyalty.” (Source: “The Last Samurai,” page 34.)

Plato Greek Philosopher

“Plato’s dialog stresses the intellect over the physical because of the risk of slavish dependent on physical desires. In this context, Plato recommends reduced erotic engagement to better exercise and control the mind. In other words, sexual activity is only detrimental only in so far as it distracts from intellectual endeavours…Plato praises this exemplary self-control, citing famous athlete, Iccus of Tarentum, who had “possessed in is soul such art and such courage mixed with moderation that he never touched a woman—or a boy for that matter—during the entire time of his training.” Plato suggests that by consciously choosing to control sexual desires, an individual liberates the mind to better study virtue.”

(Source: Male Abstinence Portrayed: A Lofty Ideal and Dangerous Extreme in Ancient Greek Sexuality)


Leo Tolstoy

"I had become what is called a voluptuary; and to be a voluptuary is a physical condition like the condition of a victim of the morphine habit, of a drunkard, and of a smoker."

"These periods of irritation depended very regularly upon the periods of love. Each of the latter was followed by one of the former. A period of intense love was followed by a long period of anger; a period of mild love induced a mild irritation. We did not understand that this love and this hatred were two opposite faces of the same animal feeling."

(Source: "The Kreutzer Sonata" )


Dalai Lama
"Sexual pressure, sexual desire, actually, I think is short-period satisfaction and, often, that leads to more complication."
(Source: Dalai Lama )

Miles Davis Jazz

"Davis: You can't come [cum], then fight or play. You can't do it. When I get ready to come, I come. But I do not come and play. Interviewer: Explain that in layman's terms. Davis: Ask Muhammad Ali. If he comes, he can't fight two minutes. Shit, he couldn't even whip me. Interviewer: Would you fight Muhammad Ali under those conditions, to prove your point? Davis: You're goddam right I'd fight him. But he's got to promise to fuck first. If he ain't going to fuck, I ain't going to fight. You give up all your energy when you come. I mean, you give up all of it! So, if you're going to fuck before a gig, how are you going to give something when it's time to hit?"

"...She took me to a sanatorium to talk with this shrink. He asked me did I ever masturbate and I told him, no. He couldn't believe that. He told me that I should do that every day instead of shooting dope. I thought that maybe he should put his own goddamn self in the nuthouse if that's all the motherfucker had to tell me. Masturbating to break a habit? Shit, I thought that motherfucker was crazy." (Source: 1975 Playboy interview: http://navattack.com/post/29739826886/davis-you-cant-come-then-fight-or-play-you and The Autobiography MILES DAVIS )

Kanye West Rapper

"People ask me a lot about my drive. I think it comes from, like, having a sexual addiction at a really young age," he says. "Look at the drive that people have to get sex—to dress like this and get a haircut and be in the club in the freezing cold at 3 A.M., the places they go to pick up a girl. If you can focus the energy into something valuable, put that into work ethic . . . " (Source: The Unraveling of Kanye West )

50 Cent Rapper

“Masturbation is a sin you stop right now fool!!! lol God is watching you” “Step to stop masturbating: 1. To avoid the urge to masturbate stop going to porn sites, 2. Make a conscious decision not to turn your head after people walk to you, 3. Do not go to strip clubs, 4. Do not look at lust filled magazines” (Source: Twitter)

Pythagoras Philosopher and Mathematician

“According to Pythagorus (6th century BCE) sex should be practiced in the winter, but not the summer, but was harmful to male health in every season because the loss of semen was dangerous, hard to control and both physically and spiritually exhausting…”

“Pythagoras himself established a small community that set a premium on study, vegetarianism, and sexual restraint or abstinence. Later philosophers believed that celibacy would be conducive to the detachment and equilibrium required by the philosopher's calling…”

(Sources: Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven - the Catholic Church and Sexuality; The New Encyclopædia Britannica, 15th ed.,vol 3)


"Farmer" Burns" World Champion "catch-as-catch-can" wrestler, coach, writer and teacher
"Do no dissipate in any form whatever. You should sleep alone, and from eight to nine hours. Get up at 5:30 and take a walk."

(Source: “Lessons in Wrestling and Physical Culture” and Athletes on Abstinence )



Georg Hackenschmidt 20th century strongman, wrestler and philosopher

"Moderation in sexual intercourse is very important. Sexual abstemiousness should be strictly observed during the early age of manhood and development. He who observes this recommendation will soon benefit by the immense prerogatives of chastity. A few years ago a colleague of mine said to me: “Nonsense, that is only human nature.” This “clever” man, however reached only a secondary position as a strong man, and now, at the age of thirty, he is actually degenerating as an athlete."

( Source: “The Way to Live” and Athletes on Abstinence)


Mark Wahlberg Hollywood Actor

"I don't get down with jerking off, dude. Look. I don't believe in everything that the church says. I try to do the right thing. I lead a clean and pure life. I'm a married guy. I have a beautiful wife. Sex is not the most important thing to me, being horny all the time, spanking the—I mean, it's not against the law. You can do whatever you want. And it's not like, 'I shouldn't do it because of my faith. I'm just not really that into it that much anyway."
(Source: Mark Wahlberg Is Off His Rocker Again, Maybe Because He Never Masturbates )


David Haye World Heavy Weight Boxing Champion

"I don’t ejaculate for six weeks before the fight. No sex, no masturbation, no nothing. It releases too much tension. It releases a lot of minerals and nutrients that your body needs, and it releases them cheaply. Releasing weakens the knees and your legs. Find a lion that hasn’t had some food for a while, and you’ve got a dangerous cat. So there won't bet a drip from me. Even in my sleep -- if there are girls all over me in my dream, I say to them, "I’ve got a fight next week, I can’t do anything. I can’t do it.” That’s control. I’ve been doing that since I was fifteen and its part and parcel of my preparation now. That’s why Im am who I am today -- it's down to all those little sacrifices. Find me another boxer who makes that sacrifice, and you’ll find another champion." (Source: Fight Night Preparation )


Manny Pacquiao Boxer, Eight Division World Champion

Believing the old adage that sex saps strength, Pacquiao follows a strict no-[wife] policy during training. “We’ve talked to doctors about it,” [trainer Freddie] Roach says. “Sex lowers your testosterone, so you’re not as mean.” Most boxers abstain for a week or more before a bout. “I ask my guys for 10 days,” Roach says. Of course Pacquiao beats the others even when it comes to abstinence. He stays chaste for 21 days before a bout, husbanding his energies for post fight festivities. (Source: Playboy Magazine Article)



Michelangelo
Michelangelo’s contemporary Ascanio Condivi, who was also his biographer, described Michelangelo as having “monk-like chastity”

(Source: “Michelangelo,” page 326 (Phaidon: 1997)

Rickson Gracie

"No sex. Yeah, because you know, by having sex you waste a lot of energy. I mean, the vital energy in your body goes away. I mean, it’s normal, it’s something we normally do, and it’s no problem at all, but if you want to accumulate energy, if you want to get full energy, you cannot waste...So I try to keep myself away from sex at least two weeks before the fight." Rickson Gracie in “Choke” (Source: Athletes on Abstinence)

Socrates Greek Philosopher

“Socrates first prescribes abstinence from sexual pleasure. A conventionalized treatment of his view on sex then follows which illustrates and amplifies the earlier summary treatment of its dangers…Xenophon [one that Socrates advices] makes the wrong move and finds that though sex may be a pleasure, it makes you a slave. (Source: “The Framing of Socrates: The Literary Interpretation of Xenophon’s Memorobilia” Page 54 )

The Great Gama Undefeated World Champion Wrestler and Champion of World Wrestling 1910 and 1928

A wrestler's life is strictly regimented. At 3 am he wakes, performs his ablutions and goes to the akharha. At the akharha he wrestles and exercises until about 8 am. After practice he relaxes and bathes. Once his body has cooled down he drinks a mixture of milk, ghee and almonds. Later he eats a regular meal and if his regimen is strict he will spend the better part of the day resting. In the evening he will bathe again and return to the akharda at which time he will perform various exercises to strengthen his shoulders, thighs, lower back and neck. By 8 or 9 pm he is in bed.

In addition to the disciplinary regimen of exercise, a wrestler's life is defined by strict moral rules. Paramount is the injunction of self-control and anti-sensuality. A wrestler must be a celibate bhramacharya because semen is regarded as the primary source of strength.

(Source: Athletes on Abstinence )

Swami Vivekananda Indian Monk
"You may wonder what made them do this, you may wonder if I had some strange power. Let me tell you that I did have a power and this is it — never once in my life did I allow myself to have even one sexual thought. I trained my mind, my thinking, and the powers that man usually uses along that line I put into a higher channel, and it developed a force so strong that nothing could resist it." (Source: “Complete Works Of Swami Vivekananda” and http://www.vivekananda.net

Yes the fact that society has trained people become slaves to their desires, emotions and the pleasures in life as placed them in a prepetual state of contantly looking for their next hit to get that dopimine, oxytocin and all the hormones to give them that rush and temporary state of happiness. This makes people believe they're leading great lives when they're pushed by their peers, media, social media holywood, education system, etc as this is normal and how one should act in life.

Little do they know their lack of self control, morals or the ability to delay gratification has done nothing but destroyed them slowly over time. They will not understand what has caused their inevitable decline and they will blame everything else.

Constantly draining your seed does nothing but depletes you as a man in fact it makes you less of a man. Your intellect, strength, energy, will all be lowered. If one retains their seed for extended periods of time they can feel what it's like to operate at levels they're supposed to be at. If they use the practice of sexual transmutation and put this energy, time and effort while operating at higher levels into their purpose then man can achieve great things. Very few men practice this and even fewer practice this while being on their purpose.

In the end masturbation or banging a shit ton of chicks will do nothing to improve your health or intellect (well certain exceptions for porn stars but that's not much for men) when in fact over time it does the exact opposite and damages you as a person.

This is a solid message you've posted but it will fall on mostly deaf ears. I think majority of the men on here are seeking improvement so they can pump and dump women. They could care less about the negatvie consequences of this behavior. Society makes it look cool and has normalized it. Almost nobdy for leaders of men is promoting long term periods of semen retention while being on your purpose. Nobody in the mainstream is doing this and on social media you might find a 10 or so small channels that promote this but very few.

Great post and I hope to see more like this in the future. Hopefully you've saved at least one dude from a life of degeneracy.

 

[Deleted member 16134]

How many of these historic figures would be incels today?

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

How many of these historic figures would be incels today?

None of them apart from isaac.
Most of them were volcel.

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

Newton did have a wife

Where is the source for this?
The sources I read stated he was childness, wifeless and likely died a virgin.

 

[Deleted member 16134]

None of them apart from isaac.
Most of them were volcel.

I said today u moron I bet most would be in sexless relationships or something kinda if betabuxx
Also sex for pleasure is a more evolved behavior only humans and dolphins
Primitive creatures Only have sex for reproduction

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

I said today u moron I bet most would be in sexless relationships or something kinda if betabuxx
Also sex for pleasure is a more evolved behavior only humans and dolphins
Primitive creatures Only have sex for reproduction

What an erudite thinker you are!!! big smart thinker!!!!!!
I stand by what I originally said.
ALL of the people in my list have STATUS. Every single one (historical or contemporary) were WEALTHIER than average.
As they satisfy STATUS and WEALTH they could/can get 6psl grill.
Because of this, they would likely NOT be in sexless relationships. The sex just wouldn't be as enthusiastic, sensual and regular cf. if they were chads.
in any case, jfl at your muh dolphin muh humans more evolved, we are not primitive argument. Coooomer cope.
This is irrelevant in the face of the reality that sex = ejaculation = depletion of vital energy that could be better spent on creativity/innovation.
Have fun with your fast life history strategy, encouraged by our modern ecology. you will fit in perfectly, you insentient, sheep.

 

[Deleted member 16134]

Ok fair enough I reacted quickly didn't even read your post because I hate Puritans

 

[ChristianChad]

Where is the source for this?
The sources I read stated he was childness, wifeless and likely died a virgin.

Apparently he was never married after researching it a bit.

 

[Warlow]

"I don’t ejaculate for six weeks before a post. No sex, no masturbation, no nothing. It releases too much tension. It releases a lot of minerals and nutrients that your body needs, and it releases them cheaply. Releasing weakens the knees and your legs. Find a lion that hasn’t had some food for a while, and you’ve got a dangerous cat. So there won't bet a drip from me. Even in my sleep -- if there are girls all over me in my dream, I say to them, "I’ve got a thread to post next week, I can’t do anything. I can’t do it.” That’s control. I’ve been doing that since I was fifteen and its part and parcel of my preparation now. That’s why Im am who I am today -- it's down to all those little sacrifices. Find me another looksmax user who makes that sacrifice, and you’ll find another high rep poster

 

[TeenAscender]

u should nofap if u are trying to conceive a son cuz nofap = higher sperm count and T = more weak yet faster X chromosome sperm = higher chance of male

 

[Debetro]

Good thread.

 

[Debetro]

@flippasav

 

[flippasav]

@flippasav

Might have not read the whole thing but he’s not wrong