(REPOST W/PICS) PCT in youth -> NCT now 21M. How/Why?

[RandomPerson1893]

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anyone else have this experience? I was decent looking as a kid and had symmetrical features with a slight positive canthal tilt, but now my tilt is negative and my left side is worse than my right.

From my school pics, it looks like this degrading started in middle school, reached a plateau, then i lost a lot of weight from 2020-now (like 100 pounds, used to be obese and a mouth breather) and the condition is a bit worse now.

For reference I did have Invisalign during the past few years so maybe that’s what is messing up my face. I have a slight jaw assymetry where my left jaw is lower slightly (probably the cause of the greater tilt in my left eye). But it started before it so idk.

Anyone have any experience with this? Since I wasn’t born NCT, is it possible to reverse it?

 

[Deleted member 40761]

1st pic: distorted selfie from a lower angle
2nd pic: professionally taken photo

 

[RandomPerson1893]

1st pic: distorted selfie from a lower angle
2nd pic: professionally taken photo

come on seriously? sure the second was professional but there is a clear discrepancy despite it. No matter how good an angle i get, i will never look PCT.

 

[Krakowski]

Droopy lower eyelids from bad macula I think

1st pic: distorted selfie from a lower angle
2nd pic: professionally taken photo

Wrong, still big difference

 

[RandomPerson1893]

Droopy lower eyelids from bad macula I think


Wrong, still big difference

How can it be fixed? Any non-surgical options?
If surgery is needed, what would be the likely one to do?

 

[Deleted member 32529]

How can it be fixed? Any non-surgical options?
If surgery is needed, what would be the likely one to do?

canthoplasty

 

[Krakowski]

How can it be fixed? Any non-surgical options?

Don't know if it can be fixed

If surgery is needed, what would be the likely one to do?

No idea, would be a very big thing to do then

 

[RandomPerson1893]

canthoplasty

Droopy lower eyelids from bad macula I think


Wrong, still big difference

1st pic: distorted selfie from a lower angle
2nd pic: professionally taken photo

would u say that mewing and such are cope? I've mewed for a bit but only got visible jaw gains. Still, my maxilla has a good deal of potential raising/forwarding. Given that my left jaw hangs down lower than my right, what would be a good orthodontic solution to fix that assymetry (to at least fix assymetry problems in the NCT)?

 

[Krakowski]

would u say that mewing and such are cope? I've mewed for a bit but only got visible jaw gains. Still, my maxilla has a good deal of potential raising/forwarding. Given that my left jaw hangs down lower than my right, what would be a good orthodontic solution to fix that assymetry (to at least fix assymetry problems in the NCT)?

Research on here, I don't know enough

 

[Deleted member 40761]

would u say that mewing and such are cope? I've mewed for a bit but only got visible jaw gains. Still, my maxilla has a good deal of potential raising/forwarding. Given that my left jaw hangs down lower than my right, what would be a good orthodontic solution to fix that assymetry (to at least fix assymetry problems in the NCT)?

why would putting the tongue on the roof of your mouth change the tilt of your eye

 

[Deleted member 32529]

would u say that mewing and such are cope? I've mewed for a bit but only got visible jaw gains. Still, my maxilla has a good deal of potential raising/forwarding. Given that my left jaw hangs down lower than my right, what would be a good orthodontic solution to fix that assymetry (to at least fix assymetry problems in the NCT)?

you'd have to change the orbitals shape/position so no, even a lefort 3 would likely have no effect on canthal tilt

 

[RandomPerson1893]

why would putting the tongue on the roof of your mouth change the tilt of your eye

i have a downgrown maxilla, so mewing would raise it and separate the maxilla at the suture line more which would push the forward and out, which would push up the outer sides of the eye.

 

[Deleted member 43934]

Images:

anyone else have this experience? I was decent looking as a kid and had symmetrical features with a slight positive canthal tilt, but now my tilt is negative and my left side is worse than my right.

From my school pics, it looks like this degrading started in middle school, reached a plateau, then i lost a lot of weight from 2020-now (like 100 pounds, used to be obese and a mouth breather) and the condition is a bit worse now.

For reference I did have Invisalign during the past few years so maybe that’s what is messing up my face. I have a slight jaw assymetry where my left jaw is lower slightly (probably the cause of the greater tilt in my left eye). But it started before it so idk.

Anyone have any experience with this? Since I wasn’t born NCT, is it possible to reverse it?

fucking hell what happened to your maxilla, mine was worse than you at 6 but it didn’t change thought all of these years. does any of your parents have the same eye area?

 

[RandomPerson1893]

fucking hell what happened to your maxilla, mine was worse than you at 6 but it didn’t change thought all of these years. does any of your parents have the same eye area?

Relatively sure that it was due to me being a obese kid and mouthbreathing especially at night. I've only recently stopped mouthbreathing (using tape and good tongue posture) for like 1/2 a month. Gains of course take time, but idk if its gonna help. At least its good for my health.

My mom does have slightly downturned eyes, but they were always downturned for her (even as a kid), so mine appear to be similar to hers now (but when i was a kid, my eyes were more like my dads). Maybe genetics is also at play, but its a massive change so i'm very surprised by it.

 

[Deleted member 43934]

Relatively sure that it was due to me being a obese kid and mouthbreathing especially at night. I've only recently stopped mouthbreathing (using tape and good tongue posture) for like 1/2 a month. Gains of course take time, but idk if its gonna help. At least its good for my health.

My mom does have slightly downturned eyes, but they were always downturned for her (even as a kid), so mine appear to be similar to hers now (but when i was a kid, my eyes were more like my dads). Maybe genetics is also at play, but its a massive change so i'm very surprised by it.

maybe you were always meant to have them. i wouldn’t worry about it that much pct is not required

 

[Deleted member 31155]

@tents @Whatashame is this downgrowth?

 

[Deleted member 18879]

@tents @Whatashame is this downgrowth?

yes

same thing happened to me except my pct was more extreme as a kid

 

[Deleted member 31155]

yes

same thing happened to me except my pct was more extreme as a kid

fucking brutal. is it possible for him to get a high cut lefort 1 or is it rare?

 

[Deleted member 18879]

fucking brutal. is it possible for him to get a high cut lefort 1 or is it rare?

is possible. if eye is his only problem should look into canthoplasty and infras

 

[omarthegoat195]

Images:

anyone else have this experience? I was decent looking as a kid and had symmetrical features with a slight positive canthal tilt, but now my tilt is negative and my left side is worse than my right.

From my school pics, it looks like this degrading started in middle school, reached a plateau, then i lost a lot of weight from 2020-now (like 100 pounds, used to be obese and a mouth breather) and the condition is a bit worse now.

For reference I did have Invisalign during the past few years so maybe that’s what is messing up my face. I have a slight jaw assymetry where my left jaw is lower slightly (probably the cause of the greater tilt in my left eye). But it started before it so idk.

Anyone have any experience with this? Since I wasn’t born NCT, is it possible to reverse it?

ur eyelids become more prominent as u age

 

[RandomPerson1893]

yes

same thing happened to me except my pct was more extreme as a kid

Did you go through a period of being fat and/or a mouth breather? And did you ever have any orthodontic treatment done? Just tryna see if we share any similarities

 

[BloodClot]

i have a downgrown maxilla, so mewing would raise it and separate the maxilla at the suture line more which would push the forward and out, which would push up the outer sides of the eye.

Holy cope

 

[RandomPerson1893]

Holy cope

It’s just speculation man. Everyone that’s alive on this site is coping

 

[Whatashame]

Images:

anyone else have this experience? I was decent looking as a kid and had symmetrical features with a slight positive canthal tilt, but now my tilt is negative and my left side is worse than my right.

From my school pics, it looks like this degrading started in middle school, reached a plateau, then i lost a lot of weight from 2020-now (like 100 pounds, used to be obese and a mouth breather) and the condition is a bit worse now.

For reference I did have Invisalign during the past few years so maybe that’s what is messing up my face. I have a slight jaw assymetry where my left jaw is lower slightly (probably the cause of the greater tilt in my left eye). But it started before it so idk.

Anyone have any experience with this? Since I wasn’t born NCT, is it possible to reverse it?

nobody is born with nct mate.

@tents @Whatashame is this downgrowth?

yeah

You already know the answer man, the cause of it was the mouth breathing. I guess the pic angle is making a little bit more drastic but still theres a significant difference. Only surgery, mewing will do nothing at 21.

 

[h3ad_low]

Images:

anyone else have this experience? I was decent looking as a kid and had symmetrical features with a slight positive canthal tilt, but now my tilt is negative and my left side is worse than my right.

From my school pics, it looks like this degrading started in middle school, reached a plateau, then i lost a lot of weight from 2020-now (like 100 pounds, used to be obese and a mouth breather) and the condition is a bit worse now.

For reference I did have Invisalign during the past few years so maybe that’s what is messing up my face. I have a slight jaw assymetry where my left jaw is lower slightly (probably the cause of the greater tilt in my left eye). But it started before it so idk.

Anyone have any experience with this? Since I wasn’t born NCT, is it possible to reverse it?

I would say your zygos (cheekbones) recessed which would affect outer orbital support.
Honestly alot of people can pull off having a slightly negative tilt if you max out everything else but if you wanna get rid of it then I'd say what you can do is:
mewing.world thumb pulling course their course is leaked on this website somewhere
Might aswell try some face yoga stuff for it if you're serious (not sure if it works)

Keep doing what youre doing in the mean time with the mouth tape and mewing + posture stuff

 

[arabcelxxx]

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