Response to a series of arguments in defense of and for veganism

[AbnormalAfrican]

Editors Notes : ​

Since off topic has cleared up and has beens devoid of smog i think nows a fitting time to repost this (although some people like being retarded and spamming comments with ''dnr'') I want you all to know this wont be a complete repost I've edited my work in order to improve where i failed .

Where's the unedited version ?

on an old forum i used to use that is called iqmaxx, i stopped using it in order to cut down unnecessary internet time although im thinking of going back
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Tags @arthurfish @Incelforeever i believe you two would enjoy reading this. Any ways apologies for any spelling or language errors. If your attention span is short find and read an argument that interests you, hopefully im not too dependent on myself although i will rely on my previous statements. Thank you for reading. Give me advice on how to improve aswell as your thoughts and critiques would ya ?

Note one

Since the author whom of which wrote the article is a vegan, i'll be referring my arguments specifically towards vegans . If my written work is good it should be applicable to all those in favour of an ethical plant based diet regardless if their vegan or vegetarian but the primary focus is vegans. Concerning the usage of the words bad, wrong, evil and morally incorrect, i'll only being the term morally incorrect or misguided as i dont think vegans see killing animals as being that wrong, unless stated other whys.

Final Note

Due to the nature of my life i will not be able to respond to every argument ever created in defense of veganism due to my lack of knowledge and the nature of my life. As much as i'd like to i cannot afford to spend time reading about animal ethics as i have highschool and shitty parents to get through. So if theres something missing i apologize. For openess sakes im an Omnivore for those of you curious. I will link the article im responding to prove once again that im not schizophrenic and as a way for you to read it yourself. I will keep this secular . I'll be using numbers like this [1] to represent the argument ([2] states that yada, the number will state its place. ex. [2] is the second argument .


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The Beginning
[1] Going Vegan will prevent the exploitation of animals
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They state ''being vegan demonstrates true compassion for animals'' i'll show you how this is false in a minute but first I must say i do not see how in fact animals are being exploited, are they given unjust payment ? The article never makes this clear as to how their being exploited and a flaw that gets bigger the longer on it goes, however even if they were to be exploited why would that be wrong? The strong rule the weak, while this framework of thinking may not be applicable towards humans it certainly is towards animals. I'll use the modern cow as an example with out us the modern domesticated cow would kill itself without human intervention, as do the majority of other animals.

Cows let loose would overpopulate and overgraze making survival for other species incredibly difficult hence forth if we had ''freed'' them i'd be a net negative. We are their predator and it should remain that way. Nature or Earth (or whatever you'd like to call it) relies on death and killing to keep the cycle going, so yes we need to kill them in order to keep their population in check.

Proof of my Argument

P1 there is finite food of which animals can eat, the food would be vegetation
P2 left unchecked the finite food could be completely consumed
P3 if this were to happen i'd have negative effects on the whole population
P4 humans are omnivores and are meant to kill
A1 humans killing animals is fine as it stops overconsumption which decreases the negative effects on other species in the long term
C henceforth there can be nothing wrong with hunting and killing animals

The author states that they have true compassion, which would mean they have unconditional love for animals hencefoth would it not be loving to consume them in order to stop this harmful fate ? Would it not take true compassion to do this ? I hope you all can see where im going. The author seems to be placing animal life above humans. In the same paragraph the author states :

''Having emotional attachments with animals may form part of that reason, while many believe that all sentient creatures have a right to life and freedom.''
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One might ask (that one being ME) what freedom do these animals have ? Whether animals possess abilities to make decisions i'll leave up to you but in the end animals are slaves to their instincts. Unless severely abused a hungry would eat his meal with out consideration of the consequences. A hungry human may choose to not eat because they've given their own food away to someone in need. Non humans seem unable to comprehend the consequences of their actions (this can also be used as an secondary argument for meat eating as the animals would ruin the environment if left unchecked) henceforth they are unable to experience freedom unless they were abused. (an ex would be locking a dog in a small room with no food).

Also i should note the author is using an appeal to emotion.

[2] Going vegan will prevent further damage to the environment
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The author states ''The production of meat and other animal derived products places a heavy burden on the environment. The vast amount of grain feed required for meat production is a significant contributor to deforestation, habitat loss and species extinction'' This is true. Yes meat eating is the cause of species extinction.

I would however like to note while this is true, this isnt mainly the fault of meat eating in it of itself. Why? i hear you ask We've been eating meat our entire species lifetime this is due to corporations and mass production of meat.All those responsible should be put to trial and given the death penalty for crime against humanity. This is not the fault of the average person i never voted for this nor did i consent to this done to my planet. All those that did this wronged us and humanity. This is not something through lifestylism i aswell dont see why i ought to sacrifice for the crimes of someone else.

While yes it is in the nature of a pig to pig out or what ever the fuck pigs do it is however NOT in the nature of humans to do shit like this. It isnt even in the nature of those responiable to the vile and unforgiveable crimes against our home. They did this out of personal reasons and their own free will .

Argument for why they should be put to trial and slain:

P1 damage against another human is wrong
P2 extreme damage towards another human of the nature that it is unjustified (ex. rape , forced bodily harm etc) results in a violent confrontation
P3 We should protect whats ours
A1 they have wronged us by not only silencing our voices but they have also ruined our home and forced our bodys to mutate due to their chemicals and pollution.
A2 this counts as forced bodily harm as no consent was given
A3 future generations will suffer there by increasing suffering
C1 they have violated our planet and our bodies and are thereby deserving of the death penalty

one thing I'd like to note is that since these people act like animals and are unable to control their ''hunger'' to the detriment of society and other species theres nothing wrong with taking the grazing argument and applying it towards them

[3] Final Stretch. being vegan is good for your health

DNR

Final thoughts on the article

hope you guys enjoyed reading this . Vast majority of the article was appeal to emotions so I've viewed it as a piece of rhetoric.

thanks for reading ​

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

link to the article almost forgot it