You should shop around some more. I’m sure there are plenty of maxfacs who are just as good as the celebrity surgeons on here.
For os i wouldn't have doubts idk if he is experienced enough about implants but seems he could at least produce satisfying results.
Yeah I’ve heard hes very experienced in osteotomies, I’ve not heard so much about implants tho. Does anyone know how much a consultation with him will cost? And how fast his response times are
I’m talking about ramieri btw
There's one post on his ig page where he was explaining about the implants and showed one result, felt underwhelming but u think it was for asymmetry.
I think it's much better to not extend it to the nose since it decrease the risk of misplacement, since even Liam tend to misplace (i don't know if it usually happen a lot, but for the brazilian kid i saw misplacements for infras and supras).
There are surgeons in the US/Canada wich do the same results or even better than the surgeons known here, there are plenty of good surgeons.
Will it be visible tho? Like having just half or something zygomatic arch covered
There's implants for zygomatic arch but i not would advice you to get it, since even the surgeons themselves don't do it (only Eppley but he has many botches).
Ramieri just has a very aggressive advertising strategy on Instagram. For implants in particular, I’m sure there plenty of local surgeons in developed countries that can give you the same result
I mean infraorbital zone btw not malar
Y i'm aware i found few good unknown surgeons i think but i am still evaluating options , most surgeons simply suck at advertising or they just do not care
Most surgeons don’t need advertising. They’re swimming in business anyway.
It's true indeed, his result is kinda underwhelming giving the fact you are paying a lot for them, it's probably the patient wishes.
Yeah, i feel this also applies to pagnoni since i feel his results are overhyped (not implying that they are bad but not as good as people make it seem), i don't know, i need to see more implants from Pagnoni alone with out the intervention of Liam (since liam has a lot of botches).
Its 3 weeks after bimax and jaw implants, bimax alone makes you look like a bloated chipmunk for atleast a month
I mean considering so many who does infra implants gets implants show its def much better to do conservative. Some of giants result have extreme implants show and it will get worse with age. Pag is also conservative( when he foes the design himself) as he also knows the show will get worse with age as the fat in the infra region disappears. And doing fat graft can come with a lot of complications and underwhelming result so its not eazy to cover up as people here say
So you would say more time for the swelling to settle down?
If you lived off Looksmax.org, you'd think Pagnoni and Ramieri were the best maxfacs on the planet.
Funny. When I spoke to him a couple of years ago, Pagnoni told me the risks of implant extrusion were minimal with long term aging if the implants were conservative. I was skeptical of this claim at the time.
Yea it is minimal if conservative, and the more closer to the eye and more saddle the more the risk ss the fat will be lost more closer to eye. So if you go for long term you better be conservative
It's true, i thought that result was taken at least after few months post op, didn't know it was 3 weeks post op, yeah it takes time for swelling to settle down, but i think after few months the swelling would be minimal.
I mean they have done studies on swelling after bimax and 60% of swelling is gone by 4 weeks, 80% by 3 month and 90% by 6 months. After 4 weeks swelling goes away slower and slower because its a diffrent type of swelling and inflammation due to bone healing that takes UpTo a year to be done.
It is mentally and psychically challenging, probably the most challenging facial surgery that you can get, and the funny thing that people here think it is a easy surgery that anyone can go trough it, it is worth it when it actually fixes a lot of issues at once, that's when the money and time is worth it.
But also this can fuck up result with implants as they look good like a month after but then you get implant show as the inflammation and swelling is gone and you see the contour. Same with jaw angles, when the masseter recover you might begin to see the usual dehiscence
This comparison isn't completely fair anyway. The lighting is different and she's smiling in one pic. But I do agree about the swelling point. It can take up to 18 months for it to completely dissipate so judging the result within just a few weeks is moronic.
Its not about the comparison, its about the width of the jaw and face. Its a none distorted pic so its fair for sure. Her face became extremly much thinner because of the 20-30 % swelling reduction. But her masseter is probably a lot smaller because of none chew diet for a long time and taking it easy with chewing.
Fair enough, I never considered atrophy of the masseter muscles.
you mean Dr Liam Moore ?
How can you find the good ones? Of course through their B/As, but even then you'll have to pay a lot for consultation.. also they might be only showing their best ones, whereas the majority of theirs aren't consistent
Yes, you'll have to pay. Finding the best option requires money unfortunately.
Yes, you'll also have to be wary of surgeons since they are trying to sell their services of course.
So rameri does saddles now? Lifefuel
Yes since late 2024
fuarrrkkkk im goinng to asenddd
can u tell me the names of the surgeons?
Don't know their names but i have seen some results on yt and reddit, you can find them if you dig deep enough.
ahh, the results from canadian surgeons are from people with severe osa and malocclusion.
Yes their policies are clearly much more for functional rather than aesthetical, but i would believe that a real guy who's actually reccesed would benefit much more than the average mentally ill user here (not all of the users are the same but i am talking for users like clavicular for example).
yeah ur right. thing is tho, some people are at the point where its not medically necessary, but its still recessed (an aesthetic issue). most first world maxillofacial surgeons wont accept cases like that, hence the need for celebrity psl surgeons.
yeah true, but some of them are so conservative that the patient sees little to no improvement
