Reta + Klow + Iso? My next looksmaxing steps (Pics included + advice wanted)

[4ever]

Current routine + unsure about next steps --> Reta? Glow?

What I’ve done so far: On finasteride → hair loss basically halted (only worsens a bit while on cycle) Skincare locked in → azelaic acid AM, tret/Differin PM (occasional flare-ups; considered Accutane but not sure if it's worth it for me) Training → lifting consistently for 1.5+ years...

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Should I cut or stay at that bodyfat?

I'm thinking about getting cag + reta. Will send completely unfrauded pics in DMs. Looking for an accurate assessment. Thanks!

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So, following these two threads, where my bf% was estimated to be 17% by @chadisbeingmade, I decided on the logical next looksmaxing steps.

1. Retartrutide to drop a couple % of bodyfat. Only worry here would be looking too small in clothes in fall and winter.

2. Klow-Peptide stack (BPC + TB + GHK-Cu + KPV)
- The idea is that it'll heal some minor injuries + work synergistically with other approaches (skin + gut health on Reta).

3. Skin: I've been on topical retinoids for around 4 years. Tretinoin and recently adapalene after I got irritation from Tretinoin.
So the next decision would be Taz or Isotretinoin.
I'm somewhat drawn towards Iso so I can leave acne behind for good and focus more on collagen, hydration, elastin.
Perma dry skin, lips and worse long term aging due to reduced oil production are my main worries here. Is this worry warranted?

4. Style and appeal: since working on my legs, my jeans started becoming too tight, so I'll style max a bit. I already ordered some baggier pants and I'll start cropping/ shortening some of my shirts for a more favorable silhouette.

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I also plan on getting new glasses down the road, as well as experimenting more with haircare products. My current conditioner isn't great and I also wanted to try a curl cream that was recommended to me.


I'm always open for constructive suggestions and input, so lmk if you have any other ideas.


Pics from yesterday:

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Tagging people who have been quite helpful in the past: @Bryce @menas @chadisbeingmade @cashcow @SlayerJonas @enchanted_elixir @Lars2 @Seth Walsh @Keylozz @Bitchwhipper2 @NorwoodAscender @Jatt

 

[FutureExoticChad]

Nigga tagged the whole country

And Klow is the most dog shit overrated scam peptide on the planet, why the fuck are you taking a collagen peptide along with health and recovery peptides?

 

[4ever]

Nigga tagged the whole country

And Klow is the most dog shit overrated scam peptide on the planet, why the fuck are you taking a collagen peptide along with health and recovery peptides?

Because I want the healing properties as well as the skin benefits.
So why not combine all of them instead of injecting and reconstituting seperately?

What's bad about Klow in your opinion?

 

[FutureExoticChad]

Because I want the healing properties as well as the skin benefits.
So why not combine all of them instead of injecting and reconstituting seperately?

What's bad about Klow in your opinion?

Its probably way too under dosed, so you wouldn't even be getting the recovery and skin benefits you'd be looking for anyways

Your probably better off injecting and reconstituting separately if you're looking to reap all the benefits of the peptides your taking. Injecting all of your daily peptides in one go is most likely gonna lead to some unwanted side effects, some peptides are meant to be taken during different parts of the day than others.

You don't see bodybuilders take all of their hormones in one single vial blend, though it would be more convenient. Instead they separate all of their hormones and spread them out over the day, because that's what's more optimal.

 

[4ever]

Its probably way too under dosed, so you wouldn't even be getting the recovery and skin benefits you'd be looking for anyways

Your probably better off injecting and reconstituting separately if you're looking to reap all the benefits of the peptides your taking. Injecting all of your daily peptides in one go is most likely gonna lead to some unwanted side effects, some peptides are meant to be taken during different parts of the day than others.

You don't see bodybuilders take all of their hormones in one single vial blend, though it would be more convenient. Instead they separate all of their hormones and spread them out over the day, because that's what's more optimal.

So which dosages would you recommend for all?

The blend I'm looking at contains :
GHK-Cu 50mg ,TB500 10mg, BPC-157 10mg KPV 10mg / vial

If I bought it separately I'd also get
10mg BPC / 10mg TB and 50 mg ghk cu per vial max.

Is it the ratio that's wrong in your opinion? Or is the lab more likely to underdose when it's selling blends?

People have started mixing ghk with other peptides like kpv anyways, because it lowers post injection pain.

 

[abstraktion]

Its probably way too under dosed, so you wouldn't even be getting the recovery and skin benefits you'd be looking for anyways

Your probably better off injecting and reconstituting separately if you're looking to reap all the benefits of the peptides your taking. Injecting all of your daily peptides in one go is most likely gonna lead to some unwanted side effects, some peptides are meant to be taken during different parts of the day than others.

You don't see bodybuilders take all of their hormones in one single vial blend, though it would be more convenient. Instead they separate all of their hormones and spread them out over the day, because that's what's more optimal.

Comparing healing peptides to roids is completely stupid.
The daily dosages fit for everything except ghk cu if you want to take a higher dose but at that point just use KLOW and buy another kit of Ghk Cu and just pull the additional amount of ghk into the same syringe that you inject the klow with. When striving for collagen/elastin and healing benefits klow is often cheaper and simpler. And no, it absolutely does not matter when you inject any of the compounds in the day. Subq injection means very slow absorption into the bloodstream anyway. There is literally zero scientific evidence that would indicate, that it matters when in the day these compounds are injected.
Stop hating for absolutely no reason.

 

[4ever]

Comparing healing peptides to roids is completely stupid.
The daily dosages fit for everything except ghk cu if you want to take a higher dose but at that point just use KLOW and buy another kit of Ghk Cu and just pull the additional amount of ghk into the same syringe that you inject the klow with. When striving for collagen/elastin and healing benefits klow is often cheaper and simpler. And no, it absolutely does not matter when you inject any of the compounds in the day. Subq injection means very slow absorption into the bloodstream anyway. There is literally zero scientific evidence that would indicate, that it matters when in the day these compounds are injected.
Stop hating for absolutely no reason.

Great response. How much ghk-cu would you say makes sense to inject/ day?

 

[Azie555]

Current routine + unsure about next steps --> Reta? Glow?

What I’ve done so far: On finasteride → hair loss basically halted (only worsens a bit while on cycle) Skincare locked in → azelaic acid AM, tret/Differin PM (occasional flare-ups; considered Accutane but not sure if it's worth it for me) Training → lifting consistently for 1.5+ years...

looksmax.org

Should I cut or stay at that bodyfat?

I'm thinking about getting cag + reta. Will send completely unfrauded pics in DMs. Looking for an accurate assessment. Thanks!

looksmax.org

So, following these two threads, where my bf% was estimated to be 17% by @chadisbeingmade, I decided on the logical next looksmaxing steps.

1. Retartrutide to drop a couple % of bodyfat. Only worry here would be looking too small in clothes in fall and winter.

2. Klow-Peptide stack (BPC + TB + GHK-Cu + KPV)
- The idea is that it'll heal some minor injuries + work synergistically with other approaches (skin + gut health on Reta).

3. Skin: I've been on topical retinoids for around 4 years. Tretinoin and recently adapalene after I got irritation from Tretinoin.
So the next decision would be Taz or Isotretinoin.
I'm somewhat drawn towards Iso so I can leave acne behind for good and focus more on collagen, hydration, elastin.
Perma dry skin, lips and worse long term aging due to reduced oil production are my main worries here. Is this worry warranted?

4. Style and appeal: since working on my legs, my jeans started becoming too tight, so I'll style max a bit. I already ordered some baggier pants and I'll start cropping/ shortening some of my shirts for a more favorable silhouette.

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I also plan on getting new glasses down the road, as well as experimenting more with haircare products. My current conditioner isn't great and I also wanted to try a curl cream that was recommended to me.


I'm always open for constructive suggestions and input, so lmk if you have any other ideas.


Pics from yesterday:

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Image Screenshot-20250909-214333-Gallery in 4ever2gether's images album

ibb.co

20250909-213512 hosted at ImgBB

Image 20250909-213512 in 4ever2gether's images album

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Tagging people who have been quite helpful in the past: @Bryce @menas @chadisbeingmade @cashcow @SlayerJonas @enchanted_elixir @Lars2 @Seth Walsh @Keylozz @Bitchwhipper2 @NorwoodAscender @Jatt

why do ppl inject when they can just uze topical jfl

 

[4ever]

Bump

 

[FutureExoticChad]

Comparing healing peptides to roids is completely stupid.

Pinning everything at once is stupid, regardless of said substance.

You're missing the point completely, roids were just the first example that popped up in my head.

The daily dosages fit for everything except ghk cu if you want to take a higher dose but at that point just use KLOW and buy another kit of Ghk Cu and just pull the additional amount of ghk into the same syringe that you inject the klow with. When striving for collagen/elastin and healing benefits klow is often cheaper and simpler. And no, it absolutely does not matter when you inject any of the compounds in the day. Subq injection means very slow absorption into the bloodstream anyway. There is literally zero scientific evidence that would indicate, that it matters when in the day these compounds are injected.

The whole thing is a fucking scam, how can you not see it?

It costs top-tier pharma companies hundreds of millions to try and replicate or create these compounds into inject able form, do you actually think some brain dead asshole in his basement is gonna be able to replicate the same exact thing? for one substance alone? let alone 4 different compounds into one blend for $150 dollars

You're doing yourself a major disservice by buying from any of these Roid / Peptide sites, as your most likely buying Chinese rat piss or severely under-dosed gear. Not to mention a lot of them are completely dropshipped.

If your gonna pin peptides, roids, or anything for that matter, your better off spending the extra money and pinning individually to insure the quality of the compound your injecting into yourself is actually legit and beneficial. If you're gonna buy roids or peptides buy them from a company like QSC that manufactures and produces them in-house. Its more expensive, but it's superior.

Stop hating for absolutely no reason.

Saying something you don't like or oppose doesn't mean its hating

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Pinning everything at once is stupid, regardless of said substance.

You're missing the point completely, roids were just the first example that popped up in my head.


The whole thing is a fucking scam, how can you not see it?

It costs top-tier pharma companies hundreds of millions to try and replicate or create these compounds into inject able form, do you actually think some brain dead asshole in his basement is gonna be able to replicate the same exact thing? for one substance alone? let alone 4 different compounds into one blend for $150 dollars

You're doing yourself a major disservice by buying from any of these Roid / Peptide sites, as your most likely buying Chinese rat piss or severely under-dosed gear. Not to mention a lot of them are completely dropshipped.

If your gonna pin peptides, roids, or anything for that matter, your better off spending the extra money and pinning individually to insure the quality of the compound your injecting into yourself is actually legit and beneficial. If you're gonna buy roids or peptides buy them from a company like QSC that manufactures and produces them in-house. Its more expensive, but it's superior.


Saying something you don't like or oppose doesn't mean its hating

brother what

 

[abstraktion]

Pinning everything at once is stupid, regardless of said substance.

You're missing the point completely, roids were just the first example that popped up in my head.


The whole thing is a fucking scam, how can you not see it?

It costs top-tier pharma companies hundreds of millions to try and replicate or create these compounds into inject able form, do you actually think some brain dead asshole in his basement is gonna be able to replicate the same exact thing? for one substance alone? let alone 4 different compounds into one blend for $150 dollars

You're doing yourself a major disservice by buying from any of these Roid / Peptide sites, as your most likely buying Chinese rat piss or severely under-dosed gear. Not to mention a lot of them are completely dropshipped.

If your gonna pin peptides, roids, or anything for that matter, your better off spending the extra money and pinning individually to insure the quality of the compound your injecting into yourself is actually legit and beneficial. If you're gonna buy roids or peptides buy them from a company like QSC that manufactures and produces them in-house. Its more expensive, but it's superior.


Saying something you don't like or oppose doesn't mean its hating

Genuinely braindead. Producing peptides and roids is super easy if you have enough space and a lab. Ecoli bacteria produce insane amounts of gear and peptides for basically free, you just need a lab and ONE biochemist. Peptides, medicine and roids are dirt cheap in production. Just because western pharmaceutical companies make billions with overpriced compounds doesn't mean the production is incredibly complicated.
Designing a bacteria that produces a certain type of amino acid chain isnt hard for anybody that studied biochemistry and has the necessary tools. It makes absolutely no sense to say that one company is better then the other when they chemically produce the same product and they deliver the same purity standards in indepent tests.
Everything I inject is quality tested from the supplier and occasionally independently from myself. You literally have no idea what your talking about.
And you didn't deliver any argument why pinning synergistic compounds together is bad. Klow works in all the ways that the single compounds do, but you only have to inject once instead of four times. Just because it is a solution to multiple different problems at once doesn't mean that it doesn't have its place in usage.

I for my part I used to mix klow myself because the compounds coexist just fine and that way I could fine tune the ratio to my liking.

If you have a proper argument then please enlighten me but don't insult me with this crap.

 

[abstraktion]

Great response. How much ghk-cu would you say makes sense to inject/ day?

Anything between 1-5mg, take it daily for 6-8 weeks and then stop for 2 weeks to flush out any copper that might have accumulated.

 

[cashcow]

1. Retartrutide to drop a couple % of bodyfat. Only worry here would be looking too small in clothes in fall and winter.

at your size i wouldnt say this is anything to worry about, youre already fairly low in bodyfat and looking pretty buff. plus youll probably not be wearing any tshirt or tanks in the winter.

4. Style and appeal: since working on my legs, my jeans started becoming too tight, so I'll style max a bit. I already ordered some baggier pants and I'll start cropping/ shortening some of my shirts for a more favorable silhouette.

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definitely get baggier pants, i’d say a lot longer too. you dont wanna be walking around showing your ankles and socks. have it so that the pants are resting on your shoes, not ending above them. good thing about baggier pants is that you can wear both tight and oversized tshirt without it looking weird, whereas a oversized tshirt with some skinny jeans could look pretty damn strange.

 

[FutureExoticChad]

Genuinely braindead. Producing peptides and roids is super easy if you have enough space and a lab. Ecoli bacteria produce insane amounts of gear and peptides for basically free, you just need a lab and ONE biochemist. Peptides, medicine and roids are dirt cheap in production.

For Chinese rat piss maybe

If you're gonna make the claim that it doesn't take much to replicate pure and high quality peptides, at least don't make the claim that the quality of said compounds is guaranteed to be consistently pure and high quality relative to the companies / suppliers who can manufacture said compounds well with proper equipment and multiple biochemists (QSC)

And no, one guy winging it in his basement who dropped out of college after studying biochemistry isn't gonna produce the best quality peptide your money can afford you. If that's who your willing to trust with what your injecting into your body than so be it, but you cant tell me you wouldn't be better off buying it from a well established big-pharma company who produces them better than some rat in his basement and some cheap equipment.

You literally have no idea what your talking about.

I pin 5 IUs of HGH and 80mcgs of LR3 daily, am more qualified than most people on this forum to talk about peptides / roids.

Everything I inject is quality tested from the supplier and occasionally independently from myself. You literally have no idea what your talking about.
And you didn't deliver any argument why pinning synergistic compounds together is bad. Klow works in all the ways that the single compounds do, but you only have to inject once instead of four times. Just because it is a solution to multiple different problems at once doesn't mean that it doesn't have its place in usage.

I will concede to an extent here, you can pin multiple compounds in one go and still have them act effectively on you, but you'd objectively be better off pinning them separately at different times throughout the day for the most optimal results.

So just because it can work, that doesn't mean you wouldn't be better off pinning them separately.

I for my part I used to mix klow myself because the compounds coexist just fine and that way I could fine tune the ratio to my liking.

HGH and IGF-1 LR3 mogs hard for recovery, it's way more efficient.

But I will admit, it's more convenient to use a mix, though not as effective.

If you have a proper argument then please enlighten me but don't insult me with this crap.

I refuted and objected to each and and every one of your points separately and objectively so far, what are you talking about?

 

[4ever]

definitely get baggier pants, i’d say a lot longer too. you dont wanna be walking around showing your ankles and socks. have it so that the pants are resting on your shoes, not ending above them. good thing about baggier pants is that you can wear both tight and oversized tshirt without it looking weird, whereas a oversized tshirt with some skinny jeans could look pretty damn strange.

You're definitely right. Are there any good brands / models you can recommend for jeans? I hate the process of buying pants