RETHINKING SURGERY PLAN

[Deleted member 16683]

hi all, i'm currently rethinking my surgery plan (although the original one was not really stable or well thought out to begin with). a lot of my time on here so far has been mental masturbation but now i'm genuinely thinking of 2 options here when it comes to surgeries.



#1



bimax + other surgeries after = 28k +



i do think i am quite recessed and have been told the same by other people from this site however i don't think it affects my frontal that much other than the lower third just looking retruded because of the lack of chin/jaw projection.



i feel like if i get bimax i will end up needing and wanting more and more surgeries, such as rhinoplasty (maxilla advancement widens nose), lip widening to match the width of the jaw, etc. etc.



overall i don't want to go through this hole of needing more and more surgeries especially if bimax will not help that much frontally. i'll be consulting with a maxfac soon and ramieri after hopefully so i can discuss these possibilities with him.



#2



genioplasty + some eyelid surgery(ies) = 25k-



a genioplasty would more or less fix my lower third from the side or at least give it enough projection to not look subhuman. i don't think a much wider lower third provided by bimax would suit me because of my narrow lips, so unless i got lip widening surgery- which dr. eppley said i am not a candidate for- i might as well stick to trying to achieve a narrower but well projected jaw/chin.



my eyes are sort of droopy and i have very light scleral show so i think a surgery to make my eyes more squintier and possibly lower my brows and increase hooding would be beneficial.



in terms of cost i should almost 100% be able to get both of these procedures by the end of the summer (july, august) i already have the cost of one of these procedures.



i have some pictures and videos attached below of my face from the front, as well as some side morphs of what a genioplasty might look like.

genio morphs

overall i want to look as good as i possibly can through surgeries but i want my money to be well spent. please let me know your opinions

 

[datboijj]

get a projecting chin, or else you will still look bad when you open your mouth and talk

 

[Deleted member 16683]

brutal no replies

here are some vids in me in motion and i'm talking in one so y'all can give me better advice

 

[Deleted member 16683]

get a projecting chin, or else you will still look bad when you open your mouth and talk

yeah ofc but in this thread i have 2 surgery plan options read it

 

[twilight]

I don't see anything wrong with your eyes apart from some uee, just grow your lashes and curl them to offset that, remember that when you get surgeries you should fix the biggest flaws instead of trying to make average or good features even better. Instead of genio I would just get a full wraparound implant to fix the chin but also make your jaw more robust. Your maxilla is recessed but not to the point where you desperately need Bimax

 

[Deleted member 16683]

I don't see anything wrong with your eyes apart from some uee, just grow your lashes and curl them to offset that, remember that when you get surgeries you should fix the biggest flaws instead of trying to make average or good features even better. Instead of genio I would just get a full wraparound implant to fix the chin but also make your jaw more robust. Your maxilla is recessed but not to the point where you desperately need Bimax

i've made edits like this one where i change many features like the jaw, nose, etc but idk if this is achievable, i also feel like the lips look weird and as a whole it's not a huge improvement in my eyes idk?

 

[Deleted member 16683]

bump

 

[Giant Haystacks]

ur midface is certainly recessed lefort 3 is required ! jokes aside i mean how much money do you have/ how old are you

 

[Deleted member 16683]

ur midface is certainly recessed lefort 3 is required ! jokes aside i mean how much money do you have/ how old are you

i'm 18 and i'm working 3 jobs rn to afford surgeries and such and i've saved 10k so far, honestly i am willing to spend a lot more time getting money for any surgery as long as i get the best results possible

 

[Deleted member 22381]

If your chin is recessed chances are your mandible is recessed.

It's very rare to have a forward grown mandible but only have a lacking chin. Jaw surgery is the more expensive and time consuming route but it leads to the best aesthetic results. Just be careful to avoid getting dogmaxxed.

Btw can you post a side profile shot in frankfurt, that'll help people determine how much recession there is. It is possible you can get away with a genio or wraparound jaw implant but your base has to be adequate otherwise it'll look unideal

 

[Deleted member 22381]

Another thing to consider is that you have to be very careful when advancing a singular part of your face. There are degrees of recession and forward growth; the best results will come when you balance the entire face. This can become very expensive because you may realize after advancing your jaws with bimax that further augmentation is going to be needed with custom midface implants, so make sure you plan everything out very carefully.

 

[Deleted member 16683]

If your chin is recessed chances are your mandible is recessed.

It's very rare to have a forward grown mandible but only have a lacking chin. Jaw surgery is the more expensive and time consuming route but it leads to the best aesthetic results. Just be careful to avoid getting dogmaxxed.

i want to have more frontal aesthetic benefits and from what i've seen, people usually just benefits the side and some slight improvement to the front. that's why i was thinking genio would be just as effective in my case for aesthetics.

i have a 3d scan if you can give me any advice

 

[Deleted member 22381]

i want to have more frontal aesthetic benefits and from what i've seen, people usually just benefits the side and some slight improvement to the front. that's why i was thinking genio would be just as effective in my case for aesthetics.

i have a 3d scan if you can give me any advice

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I know you really want genio to fix things for you but trust me, as someone who has similar facial growth as you and has gone down the rabbit hole of research, it is not going to produce the results you are looking for. Here's why: (taken from the Giant Implants instagram page)

The higher your expectations the higher the level of facial advancement is required.
- A weak chin is usually the first thing people notice is lacking about their face because it requires no level of trained depth perception. Everyone can judge faces subconsciously as beautiful or not, but to shift that into a conscious analysis of “why” is not a skill people have naturally (especially involving their own face.) Genioplasty and Chin Implants can advance the chin. This might be satisfying enough for some people’s needs
- Many people soon realize it’s more than just the chin - their whole lower half of the face is retruded and a chin implant will just look uncanny under their weak jaws and poorly supported lips. A LeFort 1-Level Bimax (Double Jaw Surgery) can fix this.
- But then people realize the corrected jaws (which look nice in isolation) now highlight the upper facial retrusion (cheekbones and under eyes are weak, forehead and nose are not projecting enough)
- Now we are at a very advanced subset of people who realise the need for AND have limited access to expert correction of their facial imbalance by augmenting the middle and upper third of the face with natural-looking custom implants. From the side view a nasion extension projects the upper part of the nose forward so that the nose doesn’t look so sunken into the newly projected face.

Here's a photo from that page detailing ideal facial depth:

You're gonna want to recreate this type of structure as much as you can. Luckily there is a tried and true path to do so:

Bimax ccw (to fix your downward growth)
Genioplasty (to add projection and height to your chin)
Jaw angle implants to add mass and angularity to your lower third
Infraorbital malar implants (gives under eye support and augments zygos)
Supraorbital implants (augments browridge)

Since you are not uber recessed it will be wise to make sure your surgeons and implant designers opt for conservative movements to keep results looking natural. Research your surgeons well and ask to see before/afters. Do one surgery at a time and save for potential revisions to avoid getting botched.

Just a fair warning, this route will take a long time and a ton of money, so be sure you are serious about pursuing this path of looksmaxxing before you commit. If you want to just get things over with quickly, then yes, a genio will help you, but don't expect to gain a whole lot of PSL from it. The plan above is enough to bump almost anyone up at least 1 PSL, if not 1.5 to 2 depending on how bad their base is to start. I myself will be getting all of the above as soon as I have the financial means (I'm 21 right now and I don't think I will be fully done until my mid 20s).

I don't think you'll regret taking the long road for a proper ascension, but in the end the choice is yours.

Side note: get the eye procedure/s done first. There is a proper order for facial surgery: Eye area -> Lower third -> Midface implant augmentation. I also saw you might want rhino; do this as the very last step

 

[Deleted member 22381]

Chadlite result if you get everything above and it goes well

 

[Deleted member 16683]

I know you really want genio to fix things for you but trust me, as someone who has similar facial growth as you and has gone down the rabbit hole of research, it is not going to produce the results you are looking for. Here's why: (taken from the Giant Implants instagram page)

The higher your expectations the higher the level of facial advancement is required.
- A weak chin is usually the first thing people notice is lacking about their face because it requires no level of trained depth perception. Everyone can judge faces subconsciously as beautiful or not, but to shift that into a conscious analysis of “why” is not a skill people have naturally (especially involving their own face.) Genioplasty and Chin Implants can advance the chin. This might be satisfying enough for some people’s needs
- Many people soon realize it’s more than just the chin - their whole lower half of the face is retruded and a chin implant will just look uncanny under their weak jaws and poorly supported lips. A LeFort 1-Level Bimax (Double Jaw Surgery) can fix this.
- But then people realize the corrected jaws (which look nice in isolation) now highlight the upper facial retrusion (cheekbones and under eyes are weak, forehead and nose are not projecting enough)
- Now we are at a very advanced subset of people who realise the need for AND have limited access to expert correction of their facial imbalance by augmenting the middle and upper third of the face with natural-looking custom implants. From the side view a nasion extension projects the upper part of the nose forward so that the nose doesn’t look so sunken into the newly projected face.

Here's a photo from that page detailing ideal facial depth:
View attachment 2042527

You're gonna want to recreate this type of structure as much as you can. Luckily there is a tried and true path to do so:

Bimax ccw (to fix your downward growth)
Genioplasty (to add projection and height to your chin)
Jaw angle implants to add mass and angularity to your lower third
Infraorbital malar implants (gives under eye support and augments zygos)
Supraorbital implants (augments browridge)

Since you are not uber recessed it will be wise to make sure your surgeons and implant designers opt for conservative movements to keep results looking natural. Research your surgeons well and ask to see before/afters. Do one surgery at a time and save for potential revisions to avoid getting botched.

Just a fair warning, this route will take a long time and a ton of money, so be sure you are serious about pursuing this path of looksmaxxing before you commit. If you want to just get things over with quickly, then yes, a genio will help you, but don't expect to gain a whole lot of PSL from it. The plan above is enough to bump almost anyone up at least 1 PSL, if not 1.5 to 2 depending on how bad their base is to start. I myself will be getting all of the above as soon as I have the financial means (I'm 21 right now and I don't think I will be fully done until my mid 20s).

I don't think you'll regret taking the long road for a proper ascension, but in the end the choice is yours.

Side note: get the eye procedure/s done first. There is a proper order for facial surgery: Eye area -> Lower third -> Midface implant augmentation. I also saw you might want rhino; do this as the very last step

this won't take that long to achieve honestly, i could probably do 3 of these- bimax ccw with genio and infras by the end of the year, but i'm thinking that something like jaw implants would be overkill because like i mentioned my mouth is narrow and super wide jaws do not look aesthetic with that kind of mouth. there's also a lot of models with narrow jaws with angularity so i'm thinking that is the route i should go. and i also have feminine features so i think i should start on that route overall with my looksmaxxing

thanks for your help so far, btw what would you say i am facially as of now?

 

[Deleted member 16683]

bump btw i'd appreciate more opinions

 

[Deleted member 22381]

this won't take that long to achieve honestly, i could probably do 3 of these- bimax ccw with genio and infras by the end of the year, but i'm thinking that something like jaw implants would be overkill because like i mentioned my mouth is narrow and super wide jaws do not look aesthetic with that kind of mouth. there's also a lot of models with narrow jaws with angularity so i'm thinking that is the route i should go. and i also have feminine features so i think i should start on that route overall with my looksmaxxing

thanks for your help so far, btw what would you say i am facially as of now?

Yea jaw angle implants probably won't be necessary

Higher end MTN

 

[Deleted member 16683]

bump i hate you all