Retired Bishop Explains why the Church Invented Hell

[Lasko123]

Religions tend to invent ideas and concepts just like every other creative human enterprise, and they have unleashed some remarkably bad ideas onto humanity. Most of these are centered around the notion of telling people what to do and how to live their lives, with the aim of convincing people that conformity to church guidelines will bring some intangible reward in the afterlife. One example of many is the Christian belief that the one and only way not to eternally burn in Hell is to accept Jesus Christ as the 'savior', as if no other deity or religious experience is valid to the human experience. The concept of heaven and hell has been so ingrained into the human psyche that many people cannot see beyond this limiting paradigm to any other possibility. Retired Episcopal bishop John Shelby Spong, however, doesn't seem to believe in the myth of Hell, and during a nationally televised interview he shared his opinions on why he thinks convincing the flock to believe in the concept of 'Hell' is absolutely critical to the Church's survival.​ "I don't think Hell exists. I happen to believe in life after death, but I don't think it's got a thing to do with reward and punishment. Religion is always in the control business, and that's something people don't really understand. It's in a guilt-producing control business. And if you have Heaven as a place where you're rewarded for your goodness, and Hell is a place where you're punished for your evil, then you sort of have control of the population. And so they create this fiery place which has quite literally scared the Hell out of a lot of people, throughout Christian history. And it's part of a control tactic."​ Many people turn to religious teachings for solace and guidance in life in our insane world, but, Bishop Spong seems to think religion helps people be less responsible for their own life and the world we live in, offering a unique perspective from the typical doctrines of christian belief.​ "The church doesn't like for people to grow up, because you can't control grown-ups. That's why we talk about being born again. When you're born again, you're still a child. People don't need to be born again. They need to grow up. They need to accept their responsibility for themselves and the world."​ No one can really confirm where human souls are bound after death, so why do religions create stories of places like Heaven and Hell? The answer is simple:​ to control people and keep the Church alive.​ If even some of the most religious men, such as Bishop John Shelby Spong, are starting to publicly expose the motivations behind these stories, perhaps it is time for the masses to critically evaluate the value of religion over the importance of direct personal spiritual experience.​ "Every church I know claims that 'we are the true church' - that they have some ultimate authority, 'We have the infallible Pope,' 'We have the Bible.'… The idea that the truth of God can be bound in any human system, by any human creed, by any human book, is almost beyond imagination for me. God is not a Christian. God is not a Jew or a Muslim or a Hindi or Buddhist. All of those are human systems, which human beings have created to try to help us walk into the mystery of God. I honor my tradition. I walk through my tradition. But I don't think my tradition defines God. It only points me to God​ ​ ​

 

[john2]

Are you okay?

 

[BrendioEEE]

Hell isn't real Goy, just be as evil as you want, abuse others, be selfish, take, and live for yourself at the expense of society.

 

[Lasko123]

Are you okay?

Yes are you ?

 

[reptiles]

Hell isn't real Goy, just be as evil as you want, abuse others, be selfish, take, and live for yourself at the expense of society.
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Hell isnt real point to any data point for it the nde's are bunked in general because of the inconsistenies of it.

The texts of religion are filled with confirmation bias.

But even if it was real what makes you think your not going to hell and can you sleep comfortable knowing trillions will burn in a lake of sulfur flr eternity.

 

[eyelidcel]

Religion has always been a Giga-cope.

 

[BrendioEEE]

But even if it was real what makes you think your not going to hell and can you sleep comfortable knowing trillions will burn in a lake of sulfur flr eternity.

I'm not, because being self-aware is pretty much one of the hardest ways to avoid hell, because you're fully aware of every sin you commit, but with that being said, all you gotta do is feel genuine remorse for what you've done and ask for forgiveness.

 

[reptiles]

I'm not, because being self-aware is pretty much one of the hardest ways to avoid hell, because you're fully aware of every sin you commit, but with that being said, all you gotta do is feel genuine remorse for what you've done and ask for forgiveness.

Saying sorry doesnt undo sin the idea of relying on god to fix your issues is what leads to the conception of judeo Christian tradition though judiaism as a faith has no concept of an after life in older texts part of me thinks later additions were just control mechanisms for the masses

 

[reptiles]

Religion has always been a Giga-cope.

Its not even coping its like living in hell on steroids imagine every single day of beong scared of going to eternal torment

 

[BrendioEEE]

Saying sorry doesnt undo sin the idea of relying on god to fix your issues is what leads to the conception of judeo Christian tradition though judiaism as a faith has no concept of an after life in older texts part of me thinks later additions were just control mechanisms for the masses

"Judeo" Judaism has nothing to do with this. Judaism is The Babylonian Talmud, which was originally only spread via their word until it was put in written form around 500 AD. Their claim on the old testament is a farce considering they're not even of the original 12 tribes, and are literally called Satanic in The New Testament.

It's also only these "Jews" who push against the concept of an afterlife in general. Whether it be the concept of Heaven, Hell, or Sheol, which are all 3 very distinct places, and when their modern behavior combined with the Talmud, and what they're referred to as in The New Testament, I think it's fair to not trust anything they say in reference to a book that is anti-them, especially when they're referred to as children of the devil, and liars.

They even pick apart the old testament sometimes, because it's not their book, it's not their religion, their religion is a very ancient form of Babylonian Satanism that's been a bit modernized and changed over thousands of years to survive and garner control.

Now with that being said, these places are likely physical places, not spiritual, the concept of spirituality in The Bible is extremely overblown, and it's why I think people are extremely confused. How can an afterlife exist if almost everything is physical in nature? Well, we can make hypothesis to this, but that's not really what the argument is about.

Also when it comes to forgiving a sin, you literally just have to be genuinely remorseful when you ask for forgiveness. You can't just commit a sin because you know you can ask for forgiveness and get away with it, that lacks remorse, when you lack remorse, and a genuine want to be forgiven, you are evil.

A lot of people seem to think that, "oh i'll just ask a priest for forgiveness, or of course when i'll die, whenever i'm judged, i'll just say sorry and get away with everything" that's not how things work, feeling fear of judgement, feeling a lack of remorse for your actions, feeling scared because the only reason you feel bad right now is because you realize you don't care about the bad deeds you've done, you only care about the eternal punishment that's awaiting for you after you did what you did, these are things that lead to hell.

tl;dr, Jews aren't of the 12 tribes of Judah, they're referred to as satanic, most anti-afterlife rhetoric and critique originates from them, they have been provably marxist, satanic, and degenerate and liars throughout history, and if they're against The Concept of an Afterlife, they are only reaffirming the truth of one, because if the biggest liars in the world say there isn't one, then it's extremely safe to assume there is one.

They literally are doing all the work for us by being such extensive liars, that you can believe the opposite of what Jews en masse want people to believe, and you will come to the truth.

Also there's no reason to be afraid of hell if you're a Christian, because you likely feel remorse for your sins.

 

[reptiles]

"Judeo" Judaism has nothing to do with this. Judaism is The Babylonian Talmud, which was originally only spread via their word until it was put in written form around 500 AD. Their claim on the old testament is a farce considering they're not even of the original 12 tribes, and are literally called Satanic in The New Testament.

It's also only these "Jews" who push against the concept of an afterlife in general. Whether it be the concept of Heaven, Hell, or Sheol, which are all 3 very distinct places, and when their modern behavior combined with the Talmud, and what they're referred to as in The New Testament, I think it's fair to not trust anything they say in reference to a book that is anti-them, especially when they're referred to as children of the devil, and liars.

They even pick apart the old testament sometimes, because it's not their book, it's not their religion, their religion is a very ancient form of Babylonian Satanism that's been a bit modernized and changed over thousands of years to survive and garner control.

Now with that being said, these places are likely physical places, not spiritual, the concept of spirituality in The Bible is extremely overblown, and it's why I think people are extremely confused. How can an afterlife exist if almost everything is physical in nature? Well, we can make hypothesis to this, but that's not really what the argument is about.

Also when it comes to forgiving a sin, you literally just have to be genuinely remorseful when you ask for forgiveness. You can't just commit a sin because you know you can ask for forgiveness and get away with it, that lacks remorse, when you lack remorse, and a genuine want to be forgiven, you are evil.

A lot of people seem to think that, "oh i'll just ask a priest for forgiveness, or of course when i'll die, whenever i'm judged, i'll just say sorry and get away with everything" that's not how things work, feeling fear of judgement, feeling a lack of remorse for your actions, feeling scared because the only reason you feel bad right now is because you realize you don't care about the bad deeds you've done, you only care about the eternal punishment that's awaiting for you after you did what you did, these are things that lead to hell.

tl;dr, Jews aren't of the 12 tribes of Judah, they're referred to as satanic, most anti-afterlife rhetoric and critique originates from them, they have been provably marxist, satanic, and degenerate and liars throughout history, and if they're against The Concept of an Afterlife, they are only reaffirming the truth of one, because if the biggest liars in the world say there isn't one, then it's extremely safe to assume there is one.

They literally are doing all the work for us by being such extensive liars, that you can believe the opposite of what Jews en masse want people to believe, and you will come to the truth.

Also there's no reason to be afraid of hell if you're a Christian, because you likely feel remorse for your sins.

>>"Judeo" Judaism has nothing to do with this. Judaism is The Babylonian Talmud, which was originally only spread via their word until it was put in written form around 500 AD. Their claim on the old testament is a farce considering they're not even of the original 12 tribes, and are literally called Satanic in The New Testament.>>

It does cause the other 2 monotheistic faiths spawn from Judaism the reason a split occured is because the bible teaches in the return of 2 kings messiah ben joseph and messiah ben david people were expecting jesus to be the messiah ben david the first time the truth was he was messiah ben joseph the first time the 2nd time if all the texts are true he's gonna be a conquering lion that's what Christians believe.

The reason Islam and Judaism spread is simple because Islam accepts the tenets that Muhammad is the rightful messager of god himself and that they think later works are corruptions for them the new testament and the zohar and talmud.

The reason why the Talmud was called the Babylonian Talmud was because at the time they were writing it in Babylon. And if the jew's aren't the original tribes who the fuck are ? alien's it is called the 12 tribes of ''isreal'' the literal home land of the jew's and Palestinians whom btw i think were originally jewish but got converted.

And the last part revelation talks about for the most part the coming judgements on the wrathful and the unbelivers it's clearly not referring to pious jews but hypocrital ones look at it like this in context the anti Christ invades Jerusalem he cements himself as god and those that follow him are called the synagogue of Satan this doesn't mean all jew's are devil worshippers ffs Christianity wouldn't be around without them.

>>It's also only these "Jews" who push against the concept of an afterlife in general. Whether it be the concept of Heaven, Hell, or Sheol, which are all 3 very distinct places, and when their modern behavior combined with the Talmud, and what they're referred to as in The New Testament, I think it's fair to not trust anything they say in reference to a book that is anti-them, especially when they're referred to as children of the devil, and liars.>>

I don't trust Kikes either but your right in the ancient times there wasn't this concept of hell or this eternal pit of torment for non believers there was sheol which literally is a premodern way of saying eternal oblivion you know this theory right ? (after death people's minds just stop exsisting and essentially there left over parts become fuel for new living organisms essentially life starts and ends here in fact that's how jew's under stood the after life know after Jesus this changed but for the longest time this was the orthadox view and it seems more sane in my view if there is god how can punish finite man for infinite penance.

>>Now with that being said, these places are likely physical places, not spiritual, the concept of spirituality in The Bible is extremely overblown, and it's why I think people are extremely confused. How can an afterlife exist if almost everything is physical in nature? Well, we can make hypothesis to this, but that's not really what the argument is about.>>

Questions i'll ask here cause i'm intrigued.

1 Where is this after life ? I mean surely with the advent of modern tech we would be able to locate such a plane with ease.

2 Can we measure it ? like is it visible to the naked eye how does time pass in the realm what is length and width as an estimate can the inhabitants leave per chance these questions all ring in my mind cause if there a physical plane that implies there is connection with this reality and if you can pull some 1 out that implies hell is escapable.

3 if this hell is physical what are the limitations brought about because it how does judgment work ? how do you fit an infinite sized dimension into physical reality ?

>>tl;dr, Jews aren't of the 12 tribes of Judah, they're referred to as satanic, most anti-afterlife rhetoric and critique originates from them, they have been provably marxist, satanic, and degenerate and liars throughout history, and if they're against The Concept of an Afterlife, they are only reaffirming the truth of one, because if the biggest liars in the world say there isn't one, then it's extremely safe to assume there is one.>>

1 Look at the context of revelation that verse was used in.

2 We still have yet to find any evidence of an after life even an experiment we used that measures pulses before and slightly after death failed to provide anything if it's a physical place where is it's location and if it's not visible for 3d being you could still feel the after affects of it.

3 Judaism and early Christianity belived in sheol which is really just a premodern way of saying simple ''eternal oblivion''

 

[BrendioEEE]

>>"Judeo" Judaism has nothing to do with this. Judaism is The Babylonian Talmud, which was originally only spread via their word until it was put in written form around 500 AD. Their claim on the old testament is a farce considering they're not even of the original 12 tribes, and are literally called Satanic in The New Testament.>>
It does cause the other 2 monotheistic faiths spawn from Judaism the reason a split occured is because the bible teaches in the return of 2 kings messiah ben joseph and messiah ben david people were expecting jesus to be the messiah ben david the first time the truth was he was messiah ben joseph the first time the 2nd time if all the texts are true he's gonna be a conquering lion that's what Christians believe

I'm going to stop right here and reply, this doesn't mean i'm going to ignore the rest of your post, i'll read it, but if any part of it, is already answered or is irrelevant to what I am about to say, that i'll skip over that part, because there's a disconnect in what you and I know.

It doesn't because "Judaism" is just Babylonian Satanism, it has to do with Christianity or Islam, other than being the enemy of both, ironically. Judaism is the Talmud. They have no claim to The Old Testament. Old Testament faith is just pre new testament christianity, anything contrary to this is Jewish propaganda.

In the time of the Old Testament, the Israelites, led by Moses, never followed a religion called "Judaism". Their religion was Yahwism, the religion of Yahweh, and these Israelites descended from Jacob.

Ben, Joseph, David, and Jesus are all not Jews, in the modern sense, because they are all descendants of the 12 tribes of Judah, Jews, and those who follow Judaism, are not, and referred to as pharisees in The Bible.

Judaism is a farce. It's far more accurate to call it Talmudism, because that's what it is.

Also somewhere in the 700's to 800s King Bulan, ruler of The Khazars decided to convert to one of the main religions of the time, and he chose Talmudism, and the Khazars all converted to this religion as well, keep in mind aswell, before this, their main religion involved them worshipping snakes and phallic symbols, they pretty much were satanic to begin with.

So now some Modern Jews, are this mongrel stock of beings, that descended from Babylonians, Caananites, Edomites, Khazars, etc.

This multiethnic group, and the majority of Talmudists are referred as Ashkenazi Jews, their ancestors, are referenced in The Bible, as pharisees, and they make up the majority of Talmudists.

The Star of "David" as they so blasphemously call it, is an ancient satanic symbol, which is actually called "The Star of Rempham".

In 1604, made some dudes create a new translation of the bible right? The KJV?, and this is where they coined the term "Jew" as a translation of Judean, so when Jesus was called "King of the Judeans" in the bible, it was translated to "King of The Jews"

Talmudists, then of course, referred to themselves as Jews, to larp, and to trick, people like you, who don't actually know all that much about Christianity or Abrahamic religions in general.

So whenever you see the term Jew in the bible, it probably actually should be translated to Judean.

The Bible literally forsaw this deception and warned against it.

In Rveleation 2:9, it says. "I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the slander by those who say they are Jews, and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

I mean there's many other verses, even pre-revelations, when they talk about the pharisees, it's pretty clear though however, the revelations verse, was referring to Jews who larp as Judeans, considering that's what the original translation meant.

Jews and Judaism did not exist in The Bible, other than as pharisees, and they followed the unwritten Pharisaic Talmud.

Questions i'll ask here cause i'm intrigued.

1 Where is this after life? I mean surely with the advent of modern tech we would be able to locate such a plane with ease.

Well I believe in a very odd version of Chrisitianity, that I believe to be fundamentalist, but is considered very blasphemous to mainstream sects of Christianity, I mean i'm confident in it being real, because of the Jews and all that being liars, and the enemies and all that, but where is the afterlife?

I mean I can speculate, like for example, I believe God The Father, to be a physical being, from an advanced race of humans that came before us, that created a clone species in their image. If their technology, was this advanced, they likely would be able to create some form of afterlife, and metric of judging us, possibly even built into us biology, that is quite hard to detect.

I'm not really sure what the afterlife is exactly, if I was to follow biblical scripture, in it's most literal forms, then heaven is literally a physical place, that is, well, directly above the earth. Take of that what you will.

2 Can we measure it ? like is it visible to the naked eye how does time pass in the realm what is length and width as an estimate can the inhabitants leave per chance these questions all ring in my mind cause if there a physical plane that implies there is connection with this reality and if you can pull some 1 out that implies hell is escapable.

Well, i'd imagine time passes the same in that realm if it's a physical place. There's also a possibility, that it could be a simulated afterlife, at least Sheol and Hell, heaven is very much referenced as a physical place, then again, sheol is also said to be directly below the earth, so that's a bit of a speculative mistake on my part, although sheol isn't hell, it's just a place you go when you die to await judgement for the most part, how you go there to await judgement is speculative, but I mean there's always the magical "they're an advanced civilization with technology, so they prob figured it out"

3 if this hell is physical what are the limitations brought about because it how does judgment work ? how do you fit an infinite sized dimension into physical reality ?

I'm sure to a degree, they use technology to streamline judgement, and judgement works in the sense I mentioned prior, do you feel remorse for your sins, and do you accept god, if the answer is yes you feel remorse, and you accept god, then no hell for you, if hell is a physical place, it could be another dimensional realm, I mean that's a good way of copping out to a degree, but I doubt it, but I also doubt it'd be infinite, I mean you could fit billions of people into the city of L.A if you really put in some proper infrastructure, hell wouldn't need to be all that big in the grand scheme of things, especially if you were an extremely ancient and advanced immortal race.