ROID predicament

[White.]

19 with fairly low bf%
Want to pin test 500 mg for awhile but not for too long, my solution to this was PCT
But ive seen countless people shit on it
One of them being @chadisbeingmade (tagged because if possible i would like your input)
I ONLY care as of now about fertility, other sides seem easily fightable but this to me straight up seems like playing Russian roulette
Obviously the use of HCG is nonnegotiable but do i run it during cycle or post cycle and if so for how long and what dose,
The goal is to essentially have my fertility levels almost equal to if not slightly less before cycle

If i was to just cruise and blast what is the likelihood of regaining fertility if i stop, alongside hcg use.
How would i avoid desensitisation from HCG too?

Im having to relearn alot of things involving roids as i was focusing on something else and lost alot of knowledge/ memory. Any assistance or critiques is appreciated

 

[MogsMost]

If you are 19 with low bf% why would you even do test?

 

[VampyrMaxx]

like how low in bf%?

 

[White.]

If you are 19 with low bf% why would you even do test

More muscle mass

 

[White.]

like how low in bf%?

12

 

[chadisbeingmade]

If you are 19 with low bf% why would you even do test?

If he is truly low bf it puts him in the ideal spot to pin.

12

Get lower. 10% you will have abs on your actual abdominals themselves.

20 week on Test at least.

HCG on cycle. No PCT.

 

[PlzEndIt]

19 with fairly low bf%
Want to pin test 500 mg for awhile but not for too long, my solution to this was PCT
But ive seen countless people shit on it
One of them being @chadisbeingmade (tagged because if possible i would like your input)
I ONLY care as of now about fertility, other sides seem easily fightable but this to me straight up seems like playing Russian roulette
Obviously the use of HCG is nonnegotiable but do i run it during cycle or post cycle and if so for how long and what dose,
The goal is to essentially have my fertility levels almost equal to if not slightly less before cycle

If i was to just cruise and blast what is the likelihood of regaining fertility if i stop, alongside hcg use.
How would i avoid desensitisation from HCG too?

Im having to relearn alot of things involving roids as i was focusing on something else and lost alot of knowledge/ memory. Any assistance or critiques is appreciated

Due to your age, a lot of the sides that would be a possibility for older people are not for you.

For example, a man older than 35 taking Tren there is a high likelihood his Testosterone levels would not recover, but I've seen 20 year olds recover with no PCT.

Here is a study to ease your worries:

HAARLEM study (Netherlands)​

• This is one of the better prospective cohorts: 100 men intending to start an androgen cycle were followed before, during, 3 months after, and 1 year after. Oxford Academic
• They found that total sperm count (TSC) and hormonal parameters improved between the “3 months after” and “1 year” visits. Oxford Academic
• However, not everyone fully normalized. The study shows a trend toward recovery, but not perfect restoration in all.

So to summarize, fertility often comes back after AAS use, but not always (usually the case of some older men) but it can take some months to years.

If you are still worried: I suggest you freeze some sperm samples. There are medical facilities for this. They are essentially storage units for your sperm.

 

[Sadist]

Obviously the use of HCG is nonnegotiable but do i run it during cycle or post cycle

How would i avoid desensitisation from HCG too?

only use it post cycle

 

[Sadist]

If he is truly low bf it puts him in the ideal spot to pin.


Get lower. 10% you will have abs on your actual abdominals themselves.

20 week on Test at least.

HCG on cycle. No PCT.

what even is the purpose of hcg on cycle rather than post? for a massive amounts of people, their balls stay the exact same size for a VERY long time (with 15% size reduction after a while at most); balls being just one of the examples.
imo, hcg on cycle is exactly how you get desensitized, and it will have the exact same effect if you use it post.

 

[Lucasegoliftson]

only use it post cycle

Hcg can be used for the last few weeks of cycle to make pct quicker/smoother

 

[Sadist]

Hcg can be used for the last few weeks of cycle to make pct quicker/smoother

last few weeks and a bit post is fine. throughout the whole cycle is just excessive+diminishing returns imo

 

[Lucasegoliftson]

last few weeks and a bit post is fine. throughout the whole cycle is just excessive+diminishing returns imo

Yeah complete waste of money to run it during the entire cycle

 

[chadisbeingmade]

what even is the purpose of hcg on cycle rather than post? for a massive amounts of people, their balls stay the exact same size for a VERY long time (with 15% size reduction after a while at most); balls being just one of the examples.
imo, hcg on cycle is exactly how you get desensitized, and it will have the exact same effect if you use it post.

Once test has cleared your system drop HCG.

I only use HCG a couple times a year, but if it's only one cycle then I recommend you use throughout the entire cycle and you'll guarantee you never have issues with HPTA when you abruptly stop using steroids.

If he b&c or does multiple cycles a year (in that case should b&c anyway) then don't use throughout cycle. Just a couple of time a year to keep ledgid cells alive.

 

[Sadist]

Once test has cleared your system drop HCG.

I only use HCG a couple times a year, but if it's only one cycle then I recommend you use throughout the entire cycle and you'll guarantee you never have issues with HPTA when you abruptly stop using steroids.

If he b&c or does multiple cycles a year (in that case should b&c anyway) then don't use throughout cycle. Just a couple of time a year to keep ledgid cells alive.

yeah works
b&c is law

 

[White.]

Once test has cleared your system drop HCG.

I only use HCG a couple times a year, but if it's only one cycle then I recommend you use throughout the entire cycle and you'll guarantee you never have issues with HPTA when you abruptly stop using steroids.

If he b&c or does multiple cycles a year (in that case should b&c anyway) then don't use throughout cycle. Just a couple of time a year to keep ledgid cells alive.

So far the things ive read on HCG make a point of it stimulating LH but not FSH, arent both optimal for fertility? What could be done to stimulate FSH?

 

[drio]

only use it post cycle

Donkey IQ, using HCG post cycle is replacing the natural LH thats supposed to spike with a fucking LH analog , which only makes recovery longer. It's shit for PCT

 

[White.]

19 with fairly low bf%
Want to pin test 500 mg for awhile but not for too long, my solution to this was PCT
But ive seen countless people shit on it
One of them being @chadisbeingmade (tagged because if possible i would like your input)
I ONLY care as of now about fertility, other sides seem easily fightable but this to me straight up seems like playing Russian roulette
Obviously the use of HCG is nonnegotiable but do i run it during cycle or post cycle and if so for how long and what dose,
The goal is to essentially have my fertility levels almost equal to if not slightly less before cycle

If i was to just cruise and blast what is the likelihood of regaining fertility if i stop, alongside hcg use.
How would i avoid desensitisation from HCG too?

Im having to relearn alot of things involving roids as i was focusing on something else and lost alot of knowledge/ memory. Any assistance or critiques is appreciated

Bump

 

[White.]

So far the things ive read on HCG make a point of it stimulating LH but not FSH, arent both optimal for fertility? What could be done to stimulate FSH?

@Sadist

 

[Sadist]

Donkey IQ, using HCG post cycle is replacing the natural LH thats supposed to spike with a fucking LH analog , which only makes recovery longer. It's shit for PCT

replacing what lh? it will be crashed to shit on and post cycle. it indeed does not “slow down” pct, are you retarded? neither does it “replace” lh as you claimed - it kickstarts its production again. its literally a fucking fertility drug
fucking idiots dont even bother to think before speaking

 

[Sadist]

So far the things ive read on HCG make a point of it stimulating LH but not FSH, arent both optimal for fertility? What could be done to stimulate FSH?

i reckon it just restarts production naturally as lh kicks in and exo test disappears tbh

 

[White.]

i reckon it just restarts production naturally as lh kicks in and exo test disappears tbh

Information points to a subcutaneous injection being used to introduce FSH alongside HCG in fertility treatments
Lmk if you know anything like that if not its fine

 

[drio]

replacing what lh? it will be crashed to shit on and post cycle. it indeed does not “slow down” pct, are you retarded? neither does it “replace” lh as you claimed - it kickstarts its production again. its literally a fucking fertility drug
fucking idiots dont even bother to think before speaking

Youre such a retard , HCG is an L

replacing what lh? it will be crashed to shit on and post cycle. it indeed does not “slow down” pct, are you retarded? neither does it “replace” lh as you claimed - it kickstarts its production again. its literally a fucking fertility drug
fucking idiots dont even bother to think before speaking

HCG does infact NOT kickstart LH production, it's an LH analog. do your fucking research

 

[Sadist]

Youre such a retard , HCG is an L

HCG does infact NOT kickstart LH production, it's an LH analog. do your fucking research

are you retarded? that’s literally the same thing

that’s like saying that ghrps dont kickstart gh production

 

[drio]

are you retarded? that’s literally the same thing

that’s like saying that ghrps dont kickstart gh production

Not the same thing. If you use an LH analog to create testosterone. You're not letting your natural LH rebound , because your body doesn't need it if the analog is stimulating it. And your natural LH will rebound slower, if you wanted to "kickstart" you'd use a SERM.