Rope or nope?

[RICHCELDOM]

LTN Features are soft commands attention gracefully. I am happy to explore this topic further just send a DM

 

[Mugwump]

your lefort 1 area is giga recessed
fix that + eye area

 

[OA1125]

You look great bro wait for 5-6 months for the final results then decide.
I think your infras are underwhelming because there is still hollowness u should have got saddled or with fat graft.
Now what u can is to get some soft tissues surgery like lower eyelid retraction ptosis repair.

They are saddled, just not projected enough I guess. I'm gonna wait until I'm 100% healed before deciding on what to do next. The under eye hollowness is much better than before, but maybe I'll do that graft to completely fill it in

 

[OA1125]

LTN Features are soft commands attention gracefully. I am happy to explore this topic further just send a DM

I don't understand what you are saying. Please explain

 

[OA1125]

your lefort 1 area is giga recessed
fix that + eye area

What's the lefort 1 area? Also, what indicates recession in that area? Is it the positioning of my lips?

 

[Mugwump]

What's the lefort 1 area? Also, what indicates recession in that area? Is it the positioning of my lips?

ur mouth. ye ur lips

 

[OA1125]

ur mouth. ye ur lips

Is it my lips being far from my nose or just my bottom lip being slightly recessed compared to the top?

 

[Mugwump]

Is it my lips being far from my nose or just my bottom lip being slightly recessed compared to the top?

your whole mouth is too set back

 

[OA1125]

your whole mouth is too set back

Interesting, I understand what you mean, but it's hard for me to visualize since I'm so used to how my face looks and can't imagine my mouth being pushed forward. Isn't it supposed to align with the peak of the brow boneM

 

[Mugwump]

Interesting, I understand what you mean, but it's hard for me to visualize since I'm so used to how my face looks and can't imagine my mouth being pushed forward. Isn't it supposed to align with the peak of the brow boneM

yeah its normal youre not used to it
heres a reference. Im comparing it to a model's side. His maxilla isnt even that good and look the difference in projection around the nose and the mouth

 

[OA1125]

your whole mouth is too set back

It's interest

yeah its normal youre not used to it
heres a reference. Im comparing it to a model's side. His maxilla isnt even that good and look the difference in projection around the nose and the mouth

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I see what you mean, and I appreciate the visual. It's gets weirder the more you look into it. From an orthodontic standpoint, all three (brow bone, mouth, and chin) are supposed to align along a vertical plane. This is also deemed as an ideal beauty standard for some cultures, yet it varies. If you search up the side profile of models online you will see varying projections and recessions between all 3 points, and yet, they will all be seen as beautiful, and some more beautiful than others from a subjective standpoint. I know what's ideal according to the PSL guide and from being on here long enough, but my Ortho who extracted 4 of my upper teeth when I was younger would think otherwise I cant be bothered to go through djs. I'm just gonna focus on my other family and grow a beard to fraud :/

 

[Mugwump]

It's interest

I see what you mean, and I appreciate the visual. It's gets weirder the more you look into it. From an orthodontic standpoint, all three (brow bone, mouth, and chin) are supposed to align along a vertical plane. This is also deemed as an ideal beauty standard for some cultures, yet it varies. If you search up the side profile of models online you will see varying projections and recessions between all 3 points, and yet, they will all be seen as beautiful, and some more beautiful than others from a subjective standpoint. I know what's ideal according to the PSL guide and from being on here long enough, but my Ortho who extracted 4 of my upper teeth when I was younger would think otherwise I cant be bothered to go through djs. I'm just gonna focus on my other family and grow a beard to fraud :/

ive been in your position before, trying to find my flaws using specific metrics. I was especially obsessed with my side profile and tried to find the perfect balance. I made morphs of my face but later realized how I had a distorted perception of myself. I made myself look like an ogre in morphs. Then I left PSL for a bit and I found what I needed intuitively. I had fillers finally.
When you focus too much on specific areas of the face, you forget about the whole. Oftentimes, it is about optical illusions and such. Like you said, you're just used to seeing your face the way it is.
I just know intuitively that your lower maxilla is recessed, even without taking measurements.

 

[Mugwump]

It's interest

I see what you mean, and I appreciate the visual. It's gets weirder the more you look into it. From an orthodontic standpoint, all three (brow bone, mouth, and chin) are supposed to align along a vertical plane. This is also deemed as an ideal beauty standard for some cultures, yet it varies. If you search up the side profile of models online you will see varying projections and recessions between all 3 points, and yet, they will all be seen as beautiful, and some more beautiful than others from a subjective standpoint. I know what's ideal according to the PSL guide and from being on here long enough, but my Ortho who extracted 4 of my upper teeth when I was younger would think otherwise I cant be bothered to go through djs. I'm just gonna focus on my other family and grow a beard to fraud :/

also, the chin isnt supposed to be aligned with the lips. Theyre supposed to be slightly behind. Your chin looks somewhat too strong relative to your other features

 

[dimzistier]

some day you'll find a girl who accept you for being who you are

 

[OA1125]

ive been in your position before, trying to find my flaws using specific metrics. I was especially obsessed with my side profile and tried to find the perfect balance. I made morphs of my face but later realized how I had a distorted perception of myself. I made myself look like an ogre in morphs. Then I left PSL for a bit and I found what I needed intuitively. I had fillers finally.
When you focus too much on specific areas of the face, you forget about the whole. Oftentimes, it is about optical illusions and such. Like you said, you're just used to seeing your face the way it is.
I just know intuitively that your lower maxilla is recessed, even without taking measurements.

I got you. I'm in a similar predicament. I'm not as obsessed with my side profile, although I probably should be since I prefer to be clean-shaven. I know my chin is far from recessed, and I think that's the only reason why it's hard to see my jaw as being recessed (because typically the chin and jaw are recessed together). I just tried to make a morph of myself with my lower maxialla pushed forward, and it looks ogreish/uncanny. I'm sure it wouldn't look that bad, but I honestly can't imagine it. I feel like the best thing I can do for myself now is lose weight and lower my bf% (debloat) so that you can actually see the definition and angle of my jaw.

 

[OA1125]

also, the chin isnt supposed to be aligned with the lips. Theyre supposed to be slightly behind. Your chin looks somewhat too strong relative to your other features

He chin is supposed to be slightly behind or the lips? I do have a strong chin, but I thought ideally that the lips and chin should be aligned ensuring that the crease is not accentuated

 

[OA1125]

some day you'll find a girl who accept you for being who you are

Inshallah

 

[Mugwump]

I got you. I'm in a similar predicament. I'm not as obsessed with my side profile, although I probably should be since I prefer to be clean-shaven. I know my chin is far from recessed, and I think that's the only reason why it's hard to see my jaw as being recessed (because typically the chin and jaw are recessed together). I just tried to make a morph of myself with my lower maxialla pushed forward, and it looks ogreish/uncanny. I'm sure it wouldn't look that bad, but I honestly can't imagine it. I feel like the best thing I can do for myself now is lose weight and lower my bf% (debloat) so that you can actually see the definition and angle of my jaw.

your lower jaw isn't recessed. Your chin is in fact a little too strong, especially relative to your mouth, making you look ogre
Projected mouths look prettyboy-like, the opposite of ogre in fact. I'll try to make a morph

compare barrett's side to yours. He has a much more projected mouth/lower maxilla, but he's obviously a prettyboy

 

[OA1125]

some day you'll find a girl who accept you for being who you are

But I'm doing this for myself lol. You can pick up any tashy hoe on tinder with little effort. I wanna be the best version of myself for myself, not for some girl's love and affection

 

[Mugwump]

He chin is supposed to be slightly behind or the lips? I do have a strong chin, but I thought ideally that the lips and chin should be aligned ensuring that the crease is not accentuated

no, the chin should not be recessed ofc but set back a few mms behind the mouth

 

[OA1125]

your lower jaw isn't recessed. Your chin is in fact a little too strong, especially relative to your mouth, making you look ogre
Projected mouths look prettyboy-like, the opposite of ogre in fact. I'll try to make a morph
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compare barrett's side to yours. He has a much more projected mouth/lower maxilla, but he's obviously a prettyboy

I see. It's my midface specifically that's recessed. I thought ogre maxing was the way here. Pretty boys don't do well with my ethnicity

 

[OA1125]

no, the chin should not be recessed ofc but set back a few mms behind the mouthView attachment 3302213

Interesting. That the first I've heard that. Typically, a lot of plastic surgeons will try to align the mans chin with his lips or even project it past the lips for the "masculization" effect.

 

[Mugwump]

Interesting. That the first I've heard that. Typically, a lot of plastic surgeons will try to align the mans chin with his lips or even project it past the lips for the "masculization" effect.

Do you have examples of such results ? Surgeons shouldnt ogremaxx their patients

I see. It's my midface specifically that's recessed. I thought ogre maxing was the way here. Pretty boys don't do well with my ethnicity

prettyboys always do well lmao, no matter the ethnicity. You can still have a beard and be a prettyboy.
Thats like saying pretty girls don't do well with men

 

[OA1125]

no, the chin should not be recessed ofc but set back a few mms behind the mouthView attachment 3302213

I understand what you're conveying, but that's if you're going for a pretty boy aesthetic. I like to look more masculine, and I look to examples like Henry Cavil and Sean O'Pry

 

[OA1125]

Do you have examples of such results ? Surgeons shouldnt ogremaxx their patients

prettyboys always do well lmao, no matter the ethnicity. You can still have a beard and be a prettyboy.
Thats like saying pretty girls don't do well with men

I understand, but I feel that people show identify and stick with their pheno while making changes to better it. If one already has pretty-boy features, by all means continue with the trend, but if you have more masculine features, it's better to accentuate those and play into it. I have a mix of both but I'm trying to accentuate the masculine features instead of becoming a pretty boy.

 

[Mugwump]

I understand what you're conveying, but that's if you're going for a pretty boy aesthetic. I like to look more masculine, and I look to examples like Henry Cavil and Sean O'Pry

they;re both prettyboys lmao. Have you seen henry cavill when he was younger ?
All good looking men are prettyboys. Ogre is the biggest cope
And you look ogre compared to them. They both have much more projected mouths, especially sean opry

I understand, but I feel that people show identify and stick with their pheno while making changes to better it. If one already has pretty-boy features, by all means continue with the trend, but if you have more masculine features, it's better to accentuate those and play into it. I have a mix of both but I'm trying to accentuate the masculine features instead of becoming a pretty boy.

You dont have a mix of both, you look ogre. You need to prettyboymax and you'll end up maesthetic

 

[OA1125]

they;re both prettyboys lmao. Have you seen henry cavill when he was younger ?
All good looking men are prettyboys. Ogre is the biggest cope
And you look ogre compared to them. They both have much more projected mouths, especially sean opry


You dont have a mix of both, you look ogre. You need to prettyboymax and you'll end up maesthetic
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Wow, that's actually a really great morph! What exactly did you do? Also, is this even achievable in real life? What surgeries would I have to do to achieve this look?

 

[Mugwump]

Wow, that's actually a really great morph! What exactly did you do? Also, is this even achievable in real life? What surgeries would I have to do to achieve this look?

thanks bro, id say its potentially achievable ive seen similar results but you'll need a lot of stuff done

Hairline lowering surgery
Rhinoplasty
Lefort 1 to advance your mouth and paranasal area
Upper eyelid fillers/fat graft
Jawline tightening could be with kybella/radiofrequency and it could be combined with fillers depending on what it looks like from the front
And losing fat ofc

 

[OA1125]

thanks bro, id say its potentially achievable ive seen similar results but you'll need a lot of stuff done

Hairline lowering surgery
Rhinoplasty
Lefort 1 to advance your mouth and paranasal area
Upper eyelid fillers/fat graft
Jawline tightening could be with kybella/radiofrequency and it could be combined with fillers depending on what it looks like from the front
And losing fat ofc

Lol. I've already planned on doing everything you stated except for the Left 1. Definitely going to consider that now. Thanks again!

 

[Mugwump]

Lol. I've already planned on doing everything you stated except for the Left 1. Definitely going to consider that now. Thanks again!

I wish u to mog good luck

 

[realshit]

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Ho bisogno di consigli su come massimizzare l'aspetto. Al momento sono piuttosto gonfia con un alto bf% a causa di un farmaco che stavo prendendo, ma sto lavorando per perdere peso e arrivare a ~10-12% bf. Farò anche crescere i miei capelli (sono naturalmente ondulati).

you will get to mtn at least if you do a rhinoplasty and debloat

 

[OA1125]

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you will get to mtn at least if you do a rhinoplasty and debloat

Not even worth itm might as well rope

 

[moggedlooksmaxxer]

Need advice on looks maxing. I'm pretty bloated with high bf% at the moment due to a medication I was on, but I'm working on losing weight and getting to ~10-12% bf. I'm also going to grow out my hair (it's naturally wavy).

dont rope its not over. but dont get expectations too high

 

[OA1125]

dont rope its not over. but dont get expectations too high

What's too high? I'm not trying for chad, just HTN

 

[moggedlooksmaxxer]

What's too high? I'm not trying for chad, just HTN

yeah you wont be a htn unless you get surgery

 

[OA1125]

yeah you wont be a htn unless you get surgery

What other surgeries should I get?