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Since I won't be providing photos, I'll try to be as concise and descriptive of my issue as possible.
Totally necessary introduction:
For most of my life I've been chilling off the fact that I'm 6' 1", skinny, have nice enough facial genetics, nice muscle inserts, flowing hair, am a skilled musician and dress well, so other than working out, I've not really had to care about my looks at all to attract the people around me. But after my senior year of High School ended, as in many such cases, I neglected my own growth out of arrogance and I let the urges of sloth and lust dominate my actions for like a year. I let acne develop to a grotesque level, I had bad oral hygiene habits and i was bloated to hell and just a fat fuck (by my own standards). I had a sudden realization of disgust and spent a summer being hitler on skincare, diet and exercise.
A year went by, fell back into patterns, lots of partying, less consistency, crushed my drive, self-belief, raised my cortisol levels, exacerbated my anxiety disorder. At the time, I was in a committed relationship, and when I suddenly wasn't anymore, I became really sad and a loser, but I also became a machine at consistency. I stuck to real shit and also did a bunch of copes like gua sha, facial exercises, etc. I was looking pretty trim by the time I was a few months into being 20, and now being almost 21, physically, I look better than I ever have.
However, my standards have raised and I am dealing with a mystery. Some of my failos may or may not have causal relationships with one another, and I'm making this post because I haven't been able to determine the most efficient course of action from my own research:
In side-lighting, a small nasolabial divot has began to form, and in tandem, I have witnessed my skin, despite its texture improving, losing its inherent tightness--the ogee curve I've known since childhood, suddenly nerfed. I have some theories for why this is happening.
1. It's just regular aging. Maybe sped up by drinking/smoking
2. It's from facial fat loss
3. It's related to my other main concern, which is my teeth enamel eroding/gums slowly receding. I've gathered that it's possible for the recession of gums to cause a loss or weakening of supporting tissue, causing my skin to fall forward. My Palette is already on the narrow side so this slight decrease in midface support and shrinking of teeth has made the skin of my mouth area feel thick and clunky to talk with. I haven't developed a lisp per say, and I don't think a lisp is that bad, but it is bad if moving my mouth and making facial expressions turns me into the jello from monsters vs aliens (and i'm visibly worrying about it).
It also seems like my hyoid has like, moved forward. Maybe it's because my mandible has become more prominent from good posture and getting leaner so the hyoid just seems that way in comparison to how it used to. I also sing, so maybe that's played a part. This dropping of the facial skin has also caused my nasal airflow to worsen, leading me to getting prescribed azelastine, thinking it was damage from the brief coke stint I had (In reality, minor use of this drug will not cause permanent damage to cartilage structure).
When I pull up and out on the skin over the outer edge of the zygo (right below the sphenoid), the nasolabial dip vanishes, my maxilla suddenly doesn't look recessed, my bones show.
I think I've been going insane thinking about these things and conflating them with each other to the point where I deadass feel like I've gotten shorter.
My potential options/limitations:
-The dentist doesn't do shit. All they care about is removing my wisdom teeth. I went in the other week and dude literally said my teeth are beautiful. I also think they are but ATP they're too small and my palette is too small. I heard invisalign irritates the gums and it prob wouldn't do what I want anyway.
-I could go ortho route and look into MSE which I think might cancel out some of these issues but it's expensive and I'd only commit to that as a last effort
-Mouthguard? I've heard mixed things
-Just stfu and keep getting leaner and building more muscle and living healthily and it'll work itself out
-Start using a peptide like ghk or get back on a retinoid like tret or microdose accutane to thin the skin
-narrow palette might be good as more potential for hollows tho this is prob cope
-I want to avoid getting a lefort or any other surgery, at least rn
-get veneers
-rope
TLDR
I have good appeal but some things with my lower third that idk how to fix are hurting my PSL and my mental. I've learned a lot about how to be happy again and to appreciate the things I have as I should. Spiritual practices, along with meta-cognition, seeking out discomfort to wire new neural pathways and kill old habits are great and there is so much to be grateful for, but what I described above is keeping me vain and insecure and It's time to put an end end to ts. Thanks for reading.
Totally necessary introduction:
For most of my life I've been chilling off the fact that I'm 6' 1", skinny, have nice enough facial genetics, nice muscle inserts, flowing hair, am a skilled musician and dress well, so other than working out, I've not really had to care about my looks at all to attract the people around me. But after my senior year of High School ended, as in many such cases, I neglected my own growth out of arrogance and I let the urges of sloth and lust dominate my actions for like a year. I let acne develop to a grotesque level, I had bad oral hygiene habits and i was bloated to hell and just a fat fuck (by my own standards). I had a sudden realization of disgust and spent a summer being hitler on skincare, diet and exercise.
A year went by, fell back into patterns, lots of partying, less consistency, crushed my drive, self-belief, raised my cortisol levels, exacerbated my anxiety disorder. At the time, I was in a committed relationship, and when I suddenly wasn't anymore, I became really sad and a loser, but I also became a machine at consistency. I stuck to real shit and also did a bunch of copes like gua sha, facial exercises, etc. I was looking pretty trim by the time I was a few months into being 20, and now being almost 21, physically, I look better than I ever have.
However, my standards have raised and I am dealing with a mystery. Some of my failos may or may not have causal relationships with one another, and I'm making this post because I haven't been able to determine the most efficient course of action from my own research:
In side-lighting, a small nasolabial divot has began to form, and in tandem, I have witnessed my skin, despite its texture improving, losing its inherent tightness--the ogee curve I've known since childhood, suddenly nerfed. I have some theories for why this is happening.
1. It's just regular aging. Maybe sped up by drinking/smoking
2. It's from facial fat loss
3. It's related to my other main concern, which is my teeth enamel eroding/gums slowly receding. I've gathered that it's possible for the recession of gums to cause a loss or weakening of supporting tissue, causing my skin to fall forward. My Palette is already on the narrow side so this slight decrease in midface support and shrinking of teeth has made the skin of my mouth area feel thick and clunky to talk with. I haven't developed a lisp per say, and I don't think a lisp is that bad, but it is bad if moving my mouth and making facial expressions turns me into the jello from monsters vs aliens (and i'm visibly worrying about it).
It also seems like my hyoid has like, moved forward. Maybe it's because my mandible has become more prominent from good posture and getting leaner so the hyoid just seems that way in comparison to how it used to. I also sing, so maybe that's played a part. This dropping of the facial skin has also caused my nasal airflow to worsen, leading me to getting prescribed azelastine, thinking it was damage from the brief coke stint I had (In reality, minor use of this drug will not cause permanent damage to cartilage structure).
When I pull up and out on the skin over the outer edge of the zygo (right below the sphenoid), the nasolabial dip vanishes, my maxilla suddenly doesn't look recessed, my bones show.
I think I've been going insane thinking about these things and conflating them with each other to the point where I deadass feel like I've gotten shorter.
My potential options/limitations:
-The dentist doesn't do shit. All they care about is removing my wisdom teeth. I went in the other week and dude literally said my teeth are beautiful. I also think they are but ATP they're too small and my palette is too small. I heard invisalign irritates the gums and it prob wouldn't do what I want anyway.
-I could go ortho route and look into MSE which I think might cancel out some of these issues but it's expensive and I'd only commit to that as a last effort
-Mouthguard? I've heard mixed things
-Just stfu and keep getting leaner and building more muscle and living healthily and it'll work itself out
-Start using a peptide like ghk or get back on a retinoid like tret or microdose accutane to thin the skin
-narrow palette might be good as more potential for hollows tho this is prob cope
-I want to avoid getting a lefort or any other surgery, at least rn
-get veneers
-rope
TLDR
I have good appeal but some things with my lower third that idk how to fix are hurting my PSL and my mental. I've learned a lot about how to be happy again and to appreciate the things I have as I should. Spiritual practices, along with meta-cognition, seeking out discomfort to wire new neural pathways and kill old habits are great and there is so much to be grateful for, but what I described above is keeping me vain and insecure and It's time to put an end end to ts. Thanks for reading.
