(Serious) why is it over for you?

[Michelangelo]

Because its too late? Maybe an accident left you disfigured? You just got fucked by Genetics? Bad development?

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

It might be too late for me (24), what about you?

 

[superpsycho]

looks

 

[the_machinist_786]

Not over

 

[superpsycho]

looks

low iq and low nt
abused dog

 

[Michelangelo]

looks

What about it specifically? Some things about the face can be changed trhough orthodontic appliances. If its somethjng like Male pattern baldness its more complex and hard to fix

 

[superpsycho]

What about it specifically? Some things about the face can be changed trhough orthodontic appliances. If its somethjng like Male pattern baldness its more complex and hard to fix

cuck features

 

[Alias!]

Because its too late? Maybe an accident left you disfigured? You just got fucked by Genetics? Bad development?

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

It might be too late for me (24), what about you?

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

Age for me

 

[Snicket]

Because its too late? Maybe an accident left you disfigured? You just got fucked by Genetics? Bad development?

Most here are teenagers who will get their first kiss and delete their accounts soon after.

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

It might be too late for me (24), what about you?

I think a lot of users here suffer from prolonged isolation and extreme introvertism, which is more damaging than looks.

Once habits become entrenched, it’s very difficult to change your mentality. Your neuroplasticity starts declining at 25, making it even more difficult.

 

[StacySexuaI]

My gay alien skull shape , cursed from the begining

 

[Michelangelo]

cuck features

Depending on how old you are and your conditions it could still be manageable to widen the palate (which would give you a better WHFR in some case) and have more counter clockwise growth of the maxilla and mandible, which would give better under eye support. Im trying to explore this option myself but I have some other problems regarding my jaw bones

 

[Altruist]

Most here are teenagers who will get their first kiss and delete their accounts soon after.

I think a lot of users here suffer from prolonged isolation and extreme introvertism, which is more damaging than looks.

Once habits become entrenched, it’s very difficult to change your mentality. Your neuroplasticity starts declining at 25, making it even more difficult.

/thread

 

[Sonneillon]

Because its too late? Maybe an accident left you disfigured? You just got fucked by Genetics? Bad development?

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

It might be too late for me (24), what about you?

i choose it to be over because i can't get what i want

 

[Snicket]

/thread

It was too long, I agree.

 

[FiendFiend]

Because its too late? Maybe an accident left you disfigured? You just got fucked by Genetics? Bad development?

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

It might be too late for me (24), what about you?

over for me cuz i am super high inhib irl and absolutely tramautized by bitches. I wrote a thread in detail of how foid i met on omegle who was like a couple train stations away wanted to fuck but i was too high inhib to pull up jfl. Also relationships werent common in my secondary school, and people who had them were often made fun of so yh ive just been fucked mentally so hard to the point where i cant get into a relationship or even fuck a foid.

 

[albanianblackguy]

nothing to do with looks/dating etc, i just feel sad no matter what happens in my life, at the end of the day the meaninglessness of living just corners me and skullfucks me until i fall asleep

 

[Altruist]

It was too long, I agree.

No, i meant it's a high iq post and well articulated

 

[StacySexuaI]

I think a lot of users here suffer from prolonged isolation and extreme introvertism, which is more damaging than looks.

In what way is it more damaging tho? If we are talking about general life satisfaction then sure it's a problem, but when it comes to being incel/unatractive itself I don't think it males much of a difference tbh, that is mostly just your looks. Vast majority of young people in 2025 meet trough dating apps so your NT level won't really effect you dating sucess that much, it's mostly your looks level that makes you incel

 

[Snicket]

In what way is it more damaging tho? If we are talking about general life satisfaction then sure it's a problem, but when it comes to being incel/unatractive itself I don't think it males much of a difference tbh, that is mostly just your looks. Vast majority of young people in 2025 meet trough dating apps so your NT level won't really effect you dating sucess that much, it's mostly your looks level that makes you incel

I think looks are important but if you’re MTN or below then social circles are pretty much mandatory.

Last stats I saw said 63% of Gen-Z use dating apps so a significant minority still don’t.
Even those who use them would prefer to meet someone in person

Proximity> Looks for MTNs

 

[StacySexuaI]

I think looks are important but if you’re MTN or below then social circles are pretty much mandatory.

Last stats I saw said 63% of Gen-Z use dating apps so a significant minority still don’t.
Even those who use them would prefer to meet someone in person

Proximity> Looks for MTNs

Yea but then that's just pure luck if you think about it, because it's not just about having a social circle, it's about having the right social circle. Take me as an example I have a big friend group and I am pretty likable and social, but because all my friends are other incel/loser men and I go to a STEM collage there are basically no foids for me to ever interact with and my job to is 99% male ocupied I have no oportunitie to even talk to a foid. A individual can hardly change their enviorment radically enough to get a whole other friend group while maintaining their life functionality. What that leaves you with is dating apps, and if you don't meet the looks threashold you are basically done, and every year less and less people meet irl it's all shifting to dating apps. When it comes to cold aproach once again you are fucked by looks (personaly I have done cold aproach arpund 30 times and have goten a 100% rejection rate). In the end your looks are what makes or breakes you, you can have no social life and if you are htn+ you will easily not be incel by just going on dating apps (exaple Gerberth Johnson). Meanwhile I literally have to change my whole life and move to a diferent country (my plan) just to have a chance. Looks are everything at the end of the day.

 

[|Tyler]

Because I'm uncanny asf boiii

No facail harmony whatsoever

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

over for me cuz i am super high inhib irl and absolutely tramautized by bitches. I wrote a thread in detail of how foid i met on omegle who was like a couple train stations away wanted to fuck but i was too high inhib to pull up jfl. Also relationships werent common in my secondary school, and people who had them were often made fun of so yh ive just been fucked mentally so hard to the point where i cant get into a relationship or even fuck a foid.

i feel this

mentalcel end stage tbh

 

[Snicket]

Yea but then that's just pure luck if you think about it, because it's not just about having a social circle, it's about having the right social circle.

Of course, I understand that but the more you socialize and meet new people, the more opportunities you have to find that right social circle.

More opportunities = higher likelihood of success. That's why you see plenty of MTNs and below with gfs.

Take me as an example I have a big friend group and I am pretty likable and social, but because all my friends are other incel/loser men and I go to a STEM collage there are basically no foids for me to ever interact with

Yes, it's a huge problem not having access to a broader social circles.

and my job to is 99% male ocupied I have no oportunitie to even talk to a foid. A individual can hardly change their enviorment radically enough to get a whole other friend group while maintaining their life functionality. What that leaves you with is dating apps, and if you don't meet the looks threashold you are basically done, and every year less and less people meet irl it's all shifting to dating apps.

Yes, there's a big shift towards online but a significant number of Gen-Z still meet in person.
Having no social circles forces you to fight a losing battle on dating apps.
Even the women you do match with will likely be of a lower quality than through organic social circles.

When it comes to cold aproach once again you are fucked by looks (personaly I have done cold aproach arpund 30 times and have goten a 100% rejection rate). In the end your looks are what makes or breakes you,

Cold approach is BS unless the girl is making obvious signs for you to approach her in the first place.

you can have no social life and if you are htn+ you will easily not be incel by just going on dating apps (exaple Gerberth Johnson).

I agree. That's why I said MTN and below.

Meanwhile I literally have to change my whole life and move to a diferent country (my plan) just to have a chance. Looks are everything at the end of the day.

Social exposure and looks are both important with the former being especially crucial for guys in the average looks range.
A lot of MTNs won't ever make it to HTN so socializing becomes a must.

 

[vanillaicecream]

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

In other words, if you were a different person living in a different reality

 

[superpsycho]

Depending on how old you are and your conditions it could still be manageable to widen the palate (which would give you a better WHFR in some case) and have more counter clockwise growth of the maxilla and mandible, which would give better under eye support. Im trying to explore this option myself but I have some other problems regarding my jaw bones

im 18

 

[davidlaidisme67]

Because its too late? Maybe an accident left you disfigured? You just got fucked by Genetics? Bad development?

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

It might be too late for me (24), what about you?

High iq but non nt plus im ethnic

 

[White_Bwoi]

Can't even imagine how anyone younger than 35 can say it's over,
maybe if I were ugly manlet I would see no point like you do tho
I only regret some stupid shit I've done, but break out from mental hell & doing better - gym / leanmaxxing back to the former glory I go

 

[StacySexuaI]

Social exposure and looks are both important with the former being especially crucial for guys in the average looks range.
A lot of MTNs won't ever make it to HTN so socializing becomes a must.

We agree on all this stuff. Just one last thing tho, I legit think it's easier for the avarage MTN to looksmax (even hardmax if needed) to HTN then to change his whole social life, friend groups and mentality just to still not have a reliable way to get girls and basically have to rely on luck. Meanwhile if you can somehow get to HTN you have just solved all your problems. That's why looks will always be more imortant then NT when it comes to solving the incel problem and thats why I am in favour of prioritizing looksmaxing over everything else. For LTN and below i legit would sugest trying to give up on women and accept you fate because even if they could get one it's most likely betabux/unstable relationship because she would not ever be sexually atracted to them, hell even MTN could have this problem with like 50% of girls

 

[Snicket]

I legit think it's easier for the avarage MTN to looksmax (even hardmax if needed) to HTN then to change his whole social life,

This is the central question. I personally don't think it's easy for the average MTN to reach HTN.
I think it's easier for an LTN to become MTN than an MTN to make HTN.

Meanwhile if you can somehow get to HTN you have just solved all your problems.

I agree that your dating problems disappear from HTN+ though.

 

[StacySexuaI]

I think it's easier for an LTN to become MTN than an MTN to make HTN.

i 100% agree

This is the central question. I personally don't think it's easy for the average MTN to reach HTN.

Not easy, but I legit think it can be done for most if you are radical enough in you approach, the problem is most people are not.

 

[Snicket]

i 100% agree

Not easy, but I legit think it can be done for most if you are radical enough in you approach, the problem is most people are not.

I consider HTN to start around 85th percentile looks (in line with comfortably above average IQ).

To me, it's like an average IQ guy thinking he can jump up a standard deviation on the bell curve.

Unlikely, unless you're on the higher end of average already.

 

[StacySexuaI]

To me, it's like an average IQ guy thinking he can jump up a standard deviation on the bell curve.

Unlikely, unless you're on the higher end of average already.

I understand, but looks is more flexible then IQ imo. With enough resources and work it can be done.

 

[Snicket]

I understand, but looks is more flexible then IQ imo. With enough resources and work it can be done.

I hope so, for my sake.

 

[Michelangelo]

In other words, if you were a different person living in a different reality

more like if my potential didnt go to waste, maybe i wouldnt be a subhuman with so many health problems

 

[Michelangelo]

im 18

you're still at an age where its not impossible to do what i've just described, i wouldnt give up yet

 

[neverbegun4me]

Because its too late? Maybe an accident left you disfigured? You just got fucked by Genetics? Bad development?

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

It might be too late for me (24), what about you?

my hyoid bone makes me chopped

 

[Michelangelo]

i choose it to be over because i can't get what i want

what do you want

 

[valentine]

im retarded

 

[DieVoGel6949]

Because its too late? Maybe an accident left you disfigured? You just got fucked by Genetics? Bad development?

Im always more aware of the fact that I could have been good looking if I had the knowledge, environment and if my parents didnt treat me like shit and cared about my health.

It might be too late for me (24), what about you?

I'm way to ND and antisocial. I'm still social enough to work with people and interact with them but not to form any meaningful connections.

 

[Michelangelo]

I think a lot of users here suffer from prolonged isolation and extreme introvertism, which is more damaging than looks.

Once habits become entrenched, it’s very difficult to change your mentality. Your neuroplasticity starts declining at 25, making it even more difficult.

i feel like you described me pretty well, finding a group of friends irl would be extremely hard for me, but at the same time i think it all started because of my looks and height/size. my living conditions at home were incredibly bad, i was almost always isolated and bullied at school, etc. i always felt unloved and i just couldnt look at myself in the mirror without wanting to hurt myself.

i still dont want to meet more people, if anything i just want to isolate myself even more

 

[Snicket]

i feel like you described me pretty well, finding a group of friends irl would be extremely hard for me, but at the same time i think it all started because of my looks and height/size. my living conditions at home were incredibly bad, i was almost always isolated and bullied at school, etc. i always felt unloved and i just couldnt look at myself in the mirror without wanting to hurt myself.

Don't get me wrong, I think looks are important as well, without a doubt.
I just disagree with users who think physical appearance is the only factor and nothing else.

i still dont want to meet more people, if anything i just want to isolate myself even more

Sadly, it will just get worse.

 

[Sonneillon]

what do you want

Htb minimum

 

[bakpaokukus]

Oldcel, manlet, bloatmaxxed, retarded, giga non-NT, high inhib faggot, nonexistent social skill, mentally ill, also a locationcel

 

[Michelangelo]

Don't get me wrong, I think looks are important as well, without a doubt.
I just disagree with users who think physical appearance is the only factor and nothing else.

I think looks matter the most when you are a teenager, it immediately gives you an advantage over everybody else and can easily get you your first girlfriend and lose your virginity. Lots of people in here stress themselves about teenage love which they never experienced, kinda like me