Shia are kuffar

[Raja Porus]

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[imontheloose]

Muslim ramblings, DNR

 

[Deleted member 103094]

Keep takfiring boyo
YA ALI

 

[Deleted member 103094]

Apologize rn and send me 20 dollars or im not accepting

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Keep takfiring boyo
YA ALI

No

 

[Deleted member 103094]

No

Yes
Bashar

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Yes
Bashar

 

[Deleted member 107430]

jus dont be like @Shahnameh

 

[ThraxxGlo]

@shia.jihadist

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

I don't takfir Shias, but I'd say Alawites are deserving of such as they seem to think God made a "mistake" (from what I have heard anyway).

 

[Osman2793]

Yes
Bashar

He was an alawite married to sunni

 

[davidlaidisme67]

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Ameen wallahi Shia aren’t Muslim. Sunni for life

 

[Deleted member 103094]

He was an alawite married to sunni

Bar usman lanat tbh

Ameen wallahi Shia aren’t Muslim. Sunni for life

Bro you all are takfiring lmao please read the quran at least 1 time

 

[Deleted member 72910]

@shia.jihadist

i'll guarantee this guy doesnt even pray 5x a day

 

[renos]

Jesus is the only way

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

i'll guarantee this guy doesnt even pray 5x a day

I vaguely remember you saying you weren't actually shia

 

[Raja Porus]

Keep takfiring boyo
YA ALI

Call upon Allah instead of Ali

Ali could not save himself from Ibn Muljim

Ali could not save his own son in Karbala

Calling upon someone other than Allah is shirk

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

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Allahu ackbar

 

[Deleted member 107106]

 

[Deleted member 103094]

Call upon Allah instead of Ali

Ali could not save himself from Ibn Muljim

Ali could not save his own son in Karbala

Calling upon someone other than Allah is shirk

Same logic=muhammed couldnt save himself in uhud

Repent brother im not asking him for help or anything

 

[Cyrus]

prophet moses reached out to imam ali for help

 

[Deleted member 55437]

prophet moses reached out to imam ali for help

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

kys muslim shit

 

[Raja Porus]

I don't takfir Shias, but I'd say Alawites are deserving of such as they seem to think God made a "mistake" (from what I have heard anyway).

12vers have heretical beliefs as well

- 12 Imams have higher rank than all Prophets other than Muhammad (s)

- The Quran is corrupt or incomplete with 2/3 missing

- Most of their leaders or scholars believe in pantheism (unity of being, wahdat al wujood) . This entails that Allah's essence embraces this universe. Everything you see, hear, touch etc is a limited form of Allah.

- They curse the 3 Caliphs & Aisha (wife of the Prophet) . They claim the majority of companions became apostates after they sided with Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman against Ali

- Anyone who dies without pledging his allegiance to the living Imam dies the death of Kufr

I could add more but this is enough to declare them kuffar

 

[Raja Porus]

i'll guarantee this guy doesnt even pray 5x a day

I do

You probably pray 3 times a day after combining Zuhr/Asr , Maghrib/Isha for no reason

 

[CFW432]

Shia are the only ones actually fighting and killing Isreali and western reinforcements (hezbollah and houthis). Hamas which is sunni, was entirely funded and equipped by Iran, and literally could not fight without that funding.

I'm not even of shia origin, but sunni arabs are such worthless dogs.

 

[puniteking]

Let me guess your a wahhabi Saudi dick rider? Anyway Shias are the only ones fighting against the Yahuud meanwhile Saudis are literally Jewish and the founder of Wahhabism is a Jew from turkey

 

[Raja Porus]

Shia are the only ones actually fighting and killing Isreali and western reinforcements (hezbollah and houthis). Hamas which is sunni, was entirely funded and equipped by Iran, and literally could not fight without that funding.

I'm not even of shia origin, but sunni arabs are such worthless dogs.

You are so foolish jfl

"Saar we are fighting the Jews" is just an excuse for Iran to expand its influence in MENA.

Hezbollah has killed more Sunnis than any Kuffar country

 

[puniteking]

Shia are the only ones actually fighting and killing Isreali and western reinforcements (hezbollah and houthis). Hamas which is sunni, was entirely funded and equipped by Iran, and literally could not fight without that funding.

I'm not even of shia origin, but sunni arabs are such worthless dogs.

Sunnis are Yahuud the house of saud was founded by a Jew from Basra (iraq) and Jordan’s king is a Jew puppet from England

 

[Raja Porus]

Let me guess your a wahhabi Saudi dick rider? Anyway Shias are the only ones fighting against the Yahuud meanwhile Saudis are literally Jewish and the founder of Wahhabism is a Jew from turkey

I don't care about Saudi Arabia. MBS is a kaffir Jew.

Palestinian Sunnis have killed more Jews than all Shia combined in the past 20 years

Iran & its proxies have never actually hurt Israel. It's mostly a clown show for idiots

 

[Raja Porus]

Sunnis are Yahuud the house of saud was founded by a Jew from Basra (iraq) and Jordan’s king is a Jew puppet from England

Idc about Saudis jfl. MBS should be overthrown.

Jordan's King is another murtad

Happy ?

 

[TsarTsar444]

Depends which Shias, Twelvers sure but Ismailis (haven't studied them as much yet) and Zaidis are muslims. Sunnis accept the Ummayds who literally murdered the prophets family and Aisha who made war against Ali

 

[Deleted member 72910]

I do

You probably pray 3 times a day after combining Zuhr/Asr , Maghrib/Isha for no reason

is this not the second most authentic sunni hadith book?

 

[Deleted member 103094]

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is this not the second most authentic sunni hadith book?

If any nigga here use anything but the books of Allah for source i feel sorry

 

[widdi]

Shia are the only ones actually fighting and killing Isreali and western reinforcements (hezbollah and houthis). Hamas which is sunni, was entirely funded and equipped by Iran, and literally could not fight without that funding.

I'm not even of shia origin, but sunni arabs are such worthless dogs.

The only battles that Shias win are where they are the only ones with weapons

Syria: Assad bitched out
Hezbollah: Defeated
Iran: Leaders are getting trickshotted
Houthis: Trump is about to bomb them into the Stone Age

Sunnis actually know how to operate in a Zionist world order

 

[Deleted member 103094]

The only battles that Shias win are where they are the only ones with weapons

Syria: Assad bitched out
Hezbollah: Defeated
Iran: Leaders are getting trickshotted
Houthis: Trump is about to bomb them into the Stone Age

Sunnis actually know how to operate in a Zionist world order

Where do sunnis win exactly?

ass fucked in palestine, needing help from shia

 

[Raja Porus]

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is this not the second most authentic sunni hadith book?

On the authority of Saeed Ibn Jubair from Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him), who said, “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) prayed dhuhr and asr together in Medina without [ the reason of] peril or travel.” Abu Al-Zubair said, “So I asked Saeed, ‘Why did he do this?'” He said, “I asked Ibn Abbas what you asked me and he said, ‘he didn’t want to impose hardship on any member of his nation.'” (Saheeh Muslim)


In another narration also on the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said, “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) combined dhuhr with asr and maghrib with isha in Medina without [m: reason of] peril or rain.”


In the explanation of Saheeh Muslim, Imam Nawawi demonstrates the interpretations of scholars regarding this hadith. What must be understood here is that the vast majority of scholars are in agreement that it not permissible to combine [m: prayers] without an explicit reason like travel, rain, and similar reasons that they have codified. Based on this hadith, a group of scholars holds that, when a need exists, it is permissible for a resident who doesn’t make a habit of it to combine. However, as mentioned, the majority differed with them and interpreted the hadith in a number ways. In agreement with the great imam and hadith master, Al-Bayhaqi, Imam Nawawi, in Al-Majmu`, selects the following interpretation: that Ibn Abbas’s statement, “he didn’t want to impose hardship on any member of his nation”, refers to rain; i.e., that they shouldn’t experience hardship by walking through the mud to the masjid. However, this interpretation conflicts with the narration that explicitly negates rain, as was mentioned. According to a group of great hadith masters including Al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Khuzaymah, Al-Bayhaqi, and Ibn Abd Al-Barr Al-Maliki (as he mentions in Al-Tamheed), the position of exacting analysis is that the narration [that mentions], “without [ the reason of] peril or rain”, is aberrant. What is rigorously established is the narration that mentions “without [the reason of] peril or travel”. Therefore, Imam Al-Bayhaqi’s interpretation does not conflict with the authentic narration. The principle of universal consensus among Muslims is His saying (Most High), “The prayer has been enjoined upon the believers at stated times.” (Holy Qur’an, 4:103.) It isn’t permissible to depart from this principle except with a clear, authentic proof. Given the weakness of the narration [that mentions], “without [the reason of] peril or rain”, it should now be clear to you that the hadith used by some to indicate the permissibility of joining prayers without a reason can be interpreted and understood in a manner that agrees with other evidence. For this reason, Imam Tirmidhi states,


There isn’t a hadith in my book that the entire ummah has agreed not to act upon except for the hadith of Ibn Abbas about joining prayers in Medina without [the reason of] peril or rain and the hadith about killing one who drinks wine on his fourth offense.

Combining Prayers without Cause - IslamQA

Answered by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed How should we understand the textual evidence whose outward purport indicates the permissibility of combining prayers without cause? Answer: What the questioner is

islamqa.org

 

[Deleted member 72910]

On the authority of Saeed Ibn Jubair from Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him), who said, “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) prayed dhuhr and asr together in Medina without [ the reason of] peril or travel.” Abu Al-Zubair said, “So I asked Saeed, ‘Why did he do this?'” He said, “I asked Ibn Abbas what you asked me and he said, ‘he didn’t want to impose hardship on any member of his nation.'” (Saheeh Muslim)


In another narration also on the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said, “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) combined dhuhr with asr and maghrib with isha in Medina without [m: reason of] peril or rain.”


In the explanation of Saheeh Muslim, Imam Nawawi demonstrates the interpretations of scholars regarding this hadith. What must be understood here is that the vast majority of scholars are in agreement that it not permissible to combine [m: prayers] without an explicit reason like travel, rain, and similar reasons that they have codified. Based on this hadith, a group of scholars holds that, when a need exists, it is permissible for a resident who doesn’t make a habit of it to combine. However, as mentioned, the majority differed with them and interpreted the hadith in a number ways. In agreement with the great imam and hadith master, Al-Bayhaqi, Imam Nawawi, in Al-Majmu`, selects the following interpretation: that Ibn Abbas’s statement, “he didn’t want to impose hardship on any member of his nation”, refers to rain; i.e., that they shouldn’t experience hardship by walking through the mud to the masjid. However, this interpretation conflicts with the narration that explicitly negates rain, as was mentioned. According to a group of great hadith masters including Al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Khuzaymah, Al-Bayhaqi, and Ibn Abd Al-Barr Al-Maliki (as he mentions in Al-Tamheed), the position of exacting analysis is that the narration [that mentions], “without [ the reason of] peril or rain”, is aberrant. What is rigorously established is the narration that mentions “without [the reason of] peril or travel”. Therefore, Imam Al-Bayhaqi’s interpretation does not conflict with the authentic narration. The principle of universal consensus among Muslims is His saying (Most High), “The prayer has been enjoined upon the believers at stated times.” (Holy Qur’an, 4:103.) It isn’t permissible to depart from this principle except with a clear, authentic proof. Given the weakness of the narration [that mentions], “without [the reason of] peril or rain”, it should now be clear to you that the hadith used by some to indicate the permissibility of joining prayers without a reason can be interpreted and understood in a manner that agrees with other evidence. For this reason, Imam Tirmidhi states,


There isn’t a hadith in my book that the entire ummah has agreed not to act upon except for the hadith of Ibn Abbas about joining prayers in Medina without [the reason of] peril or rain and the hadith about killing one who drinks wine on his fourth offense.

Combining Prayers without Cause - IslamQA

Answered by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed How should we understand the textual evidence whose outward purport indicates the permissibility of combining prayers without cause? Answer: What the questioner is

islamqa.org

Cool you can have a consensus against your own sahih ahadith but don't come at shias as if combining prayers is an insane and foreign thing meanwhile you admit that your scholars' consensus is against their own hadith

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I don't takfir Shias, but I'd say Alawites are deserving of such as they seem to think God made a "mistake" (from what I have heard anyway).

You’re Quran only you can’t takfir anybody Brah


But yes your right they are Kafir

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@yeeyeeslayer @SecularIslamist we need you in here to defend the Umah against each other we need to see the truth ima convert after dis I feel I’m getting Wahiiii by this thread

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Cool you can have a consensus against your own sahih ahadith but don't come at shias as if combining prayers is an insane and foreign thing meanwhile you admit that your scholars' consensus is against their own hadith

Answer this @shia.jihadist

12vers have heretical beliefs as well

- 12 Imams have higher rank than all Prophets other than Muhammad (s)

- The Quran is corrupt or incomplete with 2/3 missing

- Most of their leaders or scholars believe in pantheism (unity of being, wahdat al wujood) . This entails that Allah's essence embraces this universe. Everything you see, hear, touch etc is a limited form of Allah.

- They curse the 3 Caliphs & Aisha (wife of the Prophet) . They claim the majority of companions became apostates after they sided with Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman against Ali

- Anyone who dies without pledging his allegiance to the living Imam dies the death of Kufr

I could add more but this is enough to declare them kuffar

 

[Deleted member 72910]

Answer this @shia.jihadist

1. They do
Allah uses Imam as a greater rank than a prophet in the Quran
2. No
3. He's confusing us with sunnis asharis
4. Yes
5. Yes it's a Hadith of the Prophet (peace be upon him) also found in sunnis books

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

1. They do
Allah uses Imam as a greater rank than a prophet in the Quran
2. No
3. He's confusing us with sunnis asharis
4. Yes
5. Yes it's a Hadith of the Prophet (peace be upon him) also found in sunnis books

What about the Panthiesm. You didn’t answer all of his questions so I just wanna know about that as I know Shia believe in emanation theory of Allah emanating his creation but this also leads to Panthiesm so wanted to know if this is what he was referring 2


Also Hanafi Sufi and other ones filling that Madhab tend to have a similar view

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I have Shia family friend how to fuck her @Raja Porus

Muta marriges

 

[Deleted member 72910]

What about the Panthiesm. You didn’t answer all of his questions so I just wanna know about that as I know Shia believe in emanation theory of Allah emanating his creation but this also leads to Panthiesm so wanted to know if this is what he was referring 2


Also Hanafi Sufi and other ones filling that Madhab tend to have a similar view

Allah created the universe
nothing in the universe is part of Allah

Allah has no physical form as He transcends space and time
If He created space and time then how could He be limited by it?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Allah created the universe
nothing in the universe is part of Allah

Allah has no physical form as He transcends space and time
If He created space and time then how could He be limited by it?

Hey man you ask yourself that Muslims are the ones saying Allah couldn’t be Jesus because alllah cannot become human

But what I mean is they say creation eminates from him. That means that Allah is still Allah but everything is made by his essense this essentially equates creation with his essence which makes everything god or you can have the Shia and Roman Catholic view that it’s accidents of the nature which differentiate it but then your stuck with the issue of Allah lacking free willl because accidents just happen

 

[Deleted member 72910]

Hey man you ask yourself that Muslims are the ones saying Allah couldn’t be Jesus because alllah cannot become human

But what I mean is they say creation eminates from him. That means that Allah is still Allah but everything is made by his essense this essentially equates creation with his essence which makes everything god or you can have the Shia and Roman Catholic view that it’s accidents of the nature which differentiate it but then your stuck with the issue of Allah lacking free willl because accidents just happen

idk that much theology but Allah is the creator of and definitely not part of the universe he has no physical manifestation

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

idk that much theology but Allah is the creator of and definitely not part of the universe he has no physical manifestation

Hmm look into it I emplore you to do so because Shia philosophy is janky asf and he ain’t wrong to say it’s Panthiesm as some are panthiests not on purpouse but they are

 

[Deleted member 72910]

some are panthiests not on purpouse but they are

nah

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

nah

Yeh

Depends on sect of Shia