Short mid face is key (Suifuel)

[IAmNoSaint]

Maybe you're thinking about fwhr

Okay yeah you're right, it is easy to confuse the two. So to measure the midface it says to measure the distance between your pupils and then from the pupil height to the upper part of the lip. So I did that in P.S. and I got 110 pixels between my pupils and 107 pixels down from my pupils to my lips. But not sure which to divide into which to get my ratio?

 

[Deleted member 2205]

Okay yeah you're right, it is easy to confuse the two. So to measure the midface it says to measure the distance between your pupils and then from the pupil height to the upper part of the lip. So I did that in P.S. and I got 110 pixels between my pupils and 107 pixels down from my pupils to my lips. But not sure which to divide into which to get my ratio?

Don't even lol. That sounds like a good midface ratio to me even without finding the actual ratio. 110x107 sounds very close to 1.0

But if you really wnt to know, I'm pretty sure it's 110/107. Because high midface refers to tall ones. Yours would be around 1.02 or ideal

 

[IAmNoSaint]

Thanks for the info

 

[lookismfugee]

jon k is gay....

 

[Festrunk]

I have a short midface and I look retarded.

 

[Deleted member 2854]

Short midfaces look impish and ugly, think Wayne Rooney

Taller midface is almost always better and looks handsome

 

[Deleted member 1680]

@Titbot is someone who has a short midface but would look better with a longer midface. There was a morph where he improved quite a bit.

 

[Titbot]

@Titbot is someone who has a short midface but would look better with a longer midface. There was a morph where he improved quite a bit.

That morph was unrealistic , I just need more chin projection , and change my ear position so they are higher up on my face effectively giving me more of a Ramus

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Thanks for the info

you mog me hard sir, i have like 1.85 fwhr at best, yours 1.95 is brad pitt tier

That morph was unrealistic , I just need more chin projection , and change my ear position so they are higher up on my face effectively giving me more of a Ramus

when you say short midface are you saying compact midface? bc i've heard that compact midface is very rare and very good

 

[medialcanthuscel]

This is the reason why only homosexuals and 40yo women find models with long midface (like kortajarena) attractive

 

[Deleted member 3043]

This is the reason why only homosexuals and 40yo women find models with long midface (like kortajarena) attractive

most top models have long midface sir

 

[IAmNoSaint]

you mog me hard sir, i have like 1.85 fwhr at best, yours 1.95 is brad pitt tier

Would you like to know a secret? When I look at photos of myself or in a mirror I get disgusted looking at myself. In fact I think the original photo I used of myself to make my female filter avi is exceptionally cringeworthy, like most photos of myself I hate the way I look in it. that is why I lol'd so hard when it made me a beautiful woman.

 

[Titbot]

you mog me hard sir, i have like 1.85 fwhr at best, yours 1.95 is brad pitt tier

when you say short midface are you saying compact midface? bc i've heard that compact midface is very rare and very good

I don’t know my face is short

 

[Chadelite]

I don’t know my face is short

why r u on this site lol, ur too gl. mog @Salludon in your avi

 

[Titbot]

why r u on this site lol, ur too gl. mog @Salludon in your avi

I don’t know tbh

 

[Chadelite]

I don’t know tbh

tbh idk, r u popular in college

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Would you like to know a secret? When I look at photos of myself or in a mirror I get disgusted looking at myself. In fact I think the original photo I used of myself to make my female filter avi is exceptionally cringeworthy, like most photos of myself I hate the way I look in it. that is why I lol'd so hard when it made me a beautiful woman.

same here i hate myself and i find that i'm ugly. but apprently it's not that much the case in the eyes of others though

 

[Salludon]

how do i know if i have a short midface? i have a very good face alreadu

Alreadus me

 

[Chadelite]

Alreadus me

replies me

 

[Salludon]

replies me

Quotes me

 

[IAmNoSaint]

same here i hate myself and i find that i'm ugly. but apprently it's not that much the case in the eyes of others though

When I talk about being ugly with my parents they actually get mad and tell me I have serious self esteem issues re my looks. I just think yeah well all mothers think their sons are handsome.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

When I talk about being ugly with my parents they actually get mad and tell me I have serious self esteem issues re my looks. I just think yeah well all mothers think their sons are handsome.

yeah it's in their DNA, so it's normal.
Though compared to my pheno i'm fine, but overall i don't know.

 

[IAmNoSaint]

yeah it's in their DNA, so it's normal.
Though compared to my pheno i'm fine, but overall i don't know.

I dont know for sure either. all these face measurements I have done mathematically show I have close to the ideal face, this algorithm I found online said I have a very symmetrical face. So part of me thinks I should be a 6 -7 pal at least but when I see myself I see a crooked nose, shitty eyebrows, big ugly forehead and just look like an ugly fuck lol.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I dont know for sure either. all these face measurements I have done mathematically show I have close to the ideal face, this algorithm I found online said I have a very symmetrical face. So part of me thinks I should be a 6 -7 pal at least but when I see myself I see a crooked nose, shitty eyebrows, big ugly forehead and just look like an ugly fuck lol.

have you tried tinder ?
not the best way to know your attractivity but still.
shitty eyebrow in which manner ?

 

[IAmNoSaint]

have you tried tinder ?
not the best way to know your attractivity but still.
shitty eyebrow in which manner ?

I think they are not dark enough, they match my hair color which is sandy blonde to light brown. actually about the same color as Brad Pitt's hair now that I think about it . are his eyelashes dark I guess I should check. they also are not nice and strait as I would like them to be.
As far as tinder never tried it. I have a gf so no need to do that but I heard it is very brutal for guys. I met my gf in a class we were taking and she actually asked me out first so i lucked out no need to do the online stuff

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I think they are not dark enough, they match my hair color which is sandy blonde to light brown. actually about the same color as Brad Pitt's hair now that I think about it . are his eyelashes dark I guess I should check. they also are not nice and strait as I would like them to be.
As far as tinder never tried it. I have a gf so no need to do that but I heard it is very brutal for guys. I met my gf in a class we were taking and she actually asked me out first so i lucked out no need to do the online stuff

it's brutal yeah for most men. I'm quite happy for you then. You can dye them dark then,and the eyebrow you have to see a specialist to make him equalize with your browridges.

 

[IAmNoSaint]

okay thanks. maybe I will look into that. I know it is silly and I should stop obsessing about my appearance. I dont know why I still do it especially when I have a gf. She thinks I am hot and that is all that should matter, even if on some level I think I still look ugly.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

okay thanks. maybe I will look into that. I know it is silly and I should stop obsessing about my appearance. I dont know why I still do it especially when I have a gf. She thinks I am hot and that is all that should matter, even if on some level I think I still look ugly.

we all have issues, and there will always be more gl than us. The main purpose of beeing gl or statutmax imo is to get what you want : If your bf is your ultime relationship goal - which i hop she is for you - then beeing ugly or becoming ugly is not important because you have what you want in this aspect.
etc for the job and for the rest imo.

 

[IAmNoSaint]

Thanks, I dont know if I should mess with my eyebrows. I did secretly consult a dr about getting rhinoplasty and I essentially got laughed at. Said there was nothing wrong with my nose and he would not operate on it. not sure if the same thing would happen with my eyebrow issue.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Thanks, I dont know if I should mess with my eyebrows. I did secretly consult a dr about getting rhinoplasty and I essentially got laughed at. Said there was nothing wrong with my nose and he would not operate on it. not sure if the same thing would happen with my eyebrow issue.

i did the same for my eyes with eye surgeon and maxfac for the lower third : they didn't not laughed at me tbh, they were angry against me saying i have good ones and very good one for the chin.
so... here we go.

but for eyebrows it's another topic, since it's pilosity, it's fine, they'll help you

all in all, what i did get after asking lots of surgeons about every little mm of my face was 3 surgeries - and 1 is useless :
fat graftling for UEE + rhino + cheekbones implants ( this one is useless according to all but still, since i have high set ones and not very flat but not very wide though).

 

[IAmNoSaint]

i did the same for my eyes with eye surgeon and maxfac for the lower third : they didn't not laughed at me tbh, they were angry against me saying i have good ones and very good one for the chin.
so... here we go.

but for eyebrows it's another topic, since it's pilosity, it's fine, they'll help you

all in all, what i did get after asking lots of surgeons about every little mm of my face was 3 surgeries - and 1 is useless :
fat graftling for UEE + rhino + cheekbones implants ( this one is useless according to all but still, since i have high set ones and not very flat but not very wide though).

thanks, will look into it, especially if I get dumped or something and will have to endure the horrors of online dating. not expecting to be dumped but you know. sounds like what you want is a lot more extensive good luck with it. maybe I exaggerated about being laughed at but he took one look at me and just kinda chuckled and gave me the look like "really dude, you think you need that?". and then told me I didn't. Said he didn't even know exactly what he could do to improve my nose. anyway I just forgot what else I was going to say...

 

[Deleted member 3043]

thanks, will look into it, especially if I get dumped or something and will have to endure the horrors of online dating. not expecting to be dumped but you know. sounds like what you want is a lot more extensive good luck with it. maybe I exaggerated about being laughed at but he took one look at me and just kinda chuckled and gave me the look like "really dude, you think you need that?". and then told me I didn't. Said he didn't even know exactly what he could do to improve my nose. anyway I just forgot what else I was going to say...

i know exactly what you feel : you just have to be careful with girls, that's all.
And wanting to ascend only for you own pleasure ie taking pleasure while watching yourself and be proud of your face, is a good way to go : i hate some parts of my face, and love others, i just want to make me feel love the parts that i hate, and it need surgery so...

 

[medialcanthuscel]

 

[CarlSagan96]

Ive been looksmaxing since I was 15 so for 4 years now, and I have seen very good results. My jaw has become wide, better cheekbones, forward grown maxilla. But the one thing I still do have is a long fucking mid face. There are studies, showing a direct strong correlation between success with women and mid face length, straight up suicide fuel. You can still be considered handsome, but the spark that makes women sexually attracted to you comes with mid face length. Look at Dicaprio, no strong jawline, no perfect mandible, no hollow cheeks, but his compact midface and good fwhr make him attractive to women. My brother for example looks similar to me, before I looksmaxed, but he has short mid face, wayyyy shorter. So as soon as we stand next to each other I look like a fucking over. Its not fair that one of the most important, if not the most important trait, is the one hardest to change.
Sorry guys,
/whining off

What are these studies exactly? There aren’t any

 

[Johann0815]

yeah and i didnt see ur pic before i typed u r ugly overall, i noticed later, u r decent looking boyo, u shouldnt be really worried unless u r ultimate manlet like me

Nah im 1.90, this site just rapes me mentally. Makes me think im downwardgrown af

 

[imparatorluk]

Im mewing, working out, maxing eyebrows, thumbpulling, megadosing vitamine d, calcium, vitamine k, magnesium, doing everything against bloat and maintaining.my 12% bodyfat percentage. Also good amount of beta - carotene, swallow correctly, clenching and chewing mastic. Also I maxxed my skincare routine,

megadosing vitamine d, calcium, vitamine k, magnesium is all cope. why dont you save some money for fillers, sugeries, implants?

 

[Deleted member 5061]

Im mewing, working out, maxing eyebrows, thumbpulling, megadosing vitamine d, calcium, vitamine k, magnesium, doing everything against bloat and maintaining.my 12% bodyfat percentage. Also good amount of beta - carotene, swallow correctly, clenching and chewing mastic. Also I maxxed my skincare routine,

Unironically if you just mewed and didnt clench/chew, your midface wouldve become shorter.

Unironically chewing with molars/premolars gives a more robust and wide jaw + masseter muscles, but it counteracts the full effect of mewing, by making the face longer, since you apply force to one end of the jaw, it will automatically have an impact on the other end of the jaw (pull it down). The energy (chewing force) doesnt disappear, it just transfers into something else.

You probably didnt chew enough with front teeth.

Yes long midface can ruin an otherwise perfect face. Take any of the models that get posted here, make their midface 3-4 cm longer and theyre no models any longer.

Long midface is also without a doubt a bigger looks killer than asymmetry (at least to a certain degree).

Long midface also makes a person look lower IQ/low class. Look at all the mouthbreather examples with long faces overall, in particular long midfaces. They look like they have an IQ of a sloth.

 

[Deleted member 2621]

Unironically if you just mewed and didnt clench/chew, your midface wouldve become shorter.

Unironically chewing with molars/premolars gives a more robust and wide jaw + masseter muscles, but it counteracts the full effect of mewing, by making the face longer, since you apply force to one end of the jaw, it will automatically have an impact on the other end of the jaw (pull it down). The energy (chewing force) doesnt disappear, it just transfers into something else.

You probably didnt chew enough with front teeth.

Yes long midface can ruin an otherwise perfect face. Take any of the models that get posted here, make their midface 3-4 cm longer and theyre no models any longer.

Long midface is also without a doubt a bigger looks killer than asymmetry (at least to a certain degree).

Long midface also makes a person look lower IQ/low class. Look at all the mouthbreather examples with long faces overall, in particular long midfaces. They look like they have an IQ of a sloth.

old thread but i still think its correct. if i clench, parts of my face would become longer, not the midface tho, rather the jaw

 

[Deleted member 5061]

Talk about midface but dont know how to measure.

Tall face > short midface anyway.

No its absolutely not. When we look at someones face, the most ideal case is when you can "picture" the whole midface, without moving your eyes upwards or downwards to see the mouth or the eyes.

Compact midface >>>>>> long/longish midface any day of the week. Too compact ofc looks terrible, like faces of dwarfs, but ideal face is compact, like Zac Efron.

 

[Deleted member 1751]

Compact midface with tall lower third

 

[Descartes]

Measure the distance between the centers of your pupils and divide that by the distance between your pupil and upper lip

What app or website should I use to measure my ratios?

 

[Mr.cope]

how do i know if i have a short midface? i have a very good face alreadu

Measure ipd and midface length
The ipd/midface length
If ratio is 1.1 or over its short
1 is ideal
Anything below 1 is subhuman
I did it with a ruler

Ascended by making his normal mid-face LONGER

Maxilla: 8mm downgraft and 10mm advancement measured at upper incisor. Mandible: 8.7mm advancement at pogonion. (There seems to be CW rotation) Many ill-informed delusional members about the need to have a short mid-face to be gl, and long mid-face being a death sentence. People would probably...

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His midface is the same
Lower third only got longer

 

[Deleted member 756]

Short midfaces are always a failo