Should i get Bimax CW + sliding genio for my deep bite?

[kurd]

Im not sure if it’s skeletal or dental, chat gpt told me it is dental.

Which i kind of doubt since my teeth don’t look that weird its just my bite being fucked.

When i was younger i always used to put my teeth ON each other, which made my lower third look like this (vertically short) and made me look sub human even though its not my natural jaw

As of now i try to fraud 24/7 which is a pain in the ass as i have to make sure my teeth aren’t in contact with each other.

I was thinking of doing Bimax CW + Sliding genio to fix my case (i have the money for it but not sure if i need jaw surgery or dental help) does anyone else have the same issue?

I will be getting xray scan’s soon aswell, ill update the thread.

 

[idkmanimao]

Im not sure if it’s skeletal or dental, chat gpt told me it is dental.

Which i kind of doubt since my teeth don’t look that weird its just my bite being fucked.

When i was younger i always used to put my teeth ON each other, which made my lower third look like this (vertically short) and made me look sub human even though its not my natural jaw View attachment 3989161

As of now i try to fraud 24/7 which is a pain in the ass as i have to make sure my teeth aren’t in contact with each other.

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I was thinking of doing Bimax CW + Sliding genio to fix my case (i have the money for it but not sure if i need jaw surgery or dental help) does anyone else have the same issue?

I will be getting xray scan’s soon aswell, ill update the thread.

Yeah

 

[geenk worg]

Post your ceph.

 

[iblamemandible7]

Yeah nigga that's not dental you just have sfs

Downgraft will save your life

 

[kurd]

Yeah nigga that's not dental you just have sfs

Downgraft will save your life

Downgraft is just CW rotation? correct

 

[kurd]

Yeah nigga that's not dental you just have sfs

Downgraft will save your life

Yes and the SFS is caused by my deep bite bro, its not maxilla issue. But yes i still need Trimax,
do u think im a good candidate for vertical sliding genio aswell

 

[iblamemandible7]

Downgraft is just CW rotation? correct

You probably need both

Theyll cut your maxilla off your face and then use a bone graft to reattach the front side lower
Then the mandible will be rotated down to match the maxilla

It will ascend you

 

[iblamemandible7]

Yes and the SFS is caused by my deep bite bro, its not maxilla issue. But yes i still need Trimax,
do u think im a good candidate for vertical sliding genio aswell

Do you show lots of gum when you smile? Or do you show not much upper teeth?

 

[kurd]

Do you show lots of gum when you smile? Or do you show not much upper teeth?

Np i show no gum at all.

 

[iblamemandible7]

Np i show no gum at all.
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Yea you probably need maxilla downgraft

Then your upper teeth will show much more when you smile, talk, etc which is ideal
And your smile will be taller instead of too wide
And the entire lower third will gain height

 

[slaters]

You probably need both

Theyll cut your maxilla off your face and then use a bone graft to reattach the front side lower
Then the mandible will be rotated down to match the maxilla

It will ascend you

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From Indian to Hispanic

 

[kurd]

Yea you probably need maxilla downgraft

Then your upper teeth will show much more when you smile, talk, etc which is ideal
And your smile will be taller instead of too wide
And the entire lower third will gain height

Fucking hell maxilla downgraft sounds so brutal

 

[kurd]

@iblamemandible7

But i donkt understand, in my opinion its more like a bite issue and if they align the jaws to fix the bite it will be good? because when i dont bite my jaw looks normal and good height. Are u sure they dont just have to correect my bite only instead of maxilla downgraft

 

[iblamemandible7]

Fucking hell maxilla downgraft sounds so brutal

Yea bimax is brutal shit overall

But downgraft patients have the biggest ascensions, it fixes so many issues, facial third, chin to philtrum, smile, ratios, etc

 

[iblamemandible7]

@iblamemandible7

But i donkt understand, in my opinion its more like a bite issue and if they align the jaws to fix the bite it will be good? because when i dont bite my jaw looks normal and good height. Are u sure they dont just have to correect my bite only instead of maxilla downgraft

The reason you have a deep bite is usually because of the maxilla and mandible growing improperly, not js the teeth

I have basically the exact same issue as you and that's what I've learned

Basically the maxilla is too short so the mandible comes up to meet the maxilla with excessive ccw rotation

Causing your teeth to vertically overlap

The underlying fix is to make the maxilla taller, and then just reposition the mandible to meet the maxilla so the bite is correct

 

[iblamemandible7]

@iblamemandible7

But i donkt understand, in my opinion its more like a bite issue and if they align the jaws to fix the bite it will be good? because when i dont bite my jaw looks normal and good height. Are u sure they dont just have to correect my bite only instead of maxilla downgraft

When you hang your jaw open to fix the shortness, you're simulating clockwise rotation of the mandible

The maxilla just need to come down to meet where your mandible is when you're holding it open

 

[kurd]

The reason you have a deep bite is usually because of the maxilla and mandible growing improperly, not js the teeth

I have basically the exact same issue as you and that's what I've learned

Basically the maxilla is too short so the mandible comes up to meet the maxilla with excessive ccw rotation

Causing your teeth to vertically overlap

The underlying fix is to make the maxilla taller, and then just reposition the mandible to meet the maxilla so the bite is correct

I have a consultation with Ramieri soon,

Will explain to him my issue and show him how my face changes on video call and tell him what you told me aswell. ill tell you what he says. But man, bimax sounded brutal already, now maxilla downgraft aswell fucking peel your skin off and re align it sounds disgusting.
I have the money and everything ready for bimax bht the fact that my face is going to be cut open is the scariest

 

[iblamemandible7]

I have a consultation with Ramieri soon,

Will explain to him my issue and show him how my face changes on video call and tell him what you told me aswell. ill tell you what he says. But man, bimax sounded brutal already, now maxilla downgraft aswell fucking peel your skin off and re align it sounds disgusting.
I have the money and everything ready for bimax bht the fact that my face is going to be cut open is the scariest

Mirin hard bhai

I plan to do the same as you soon

And yes it is extremely scary to think about, but it is life changing

 

[kurd]

When you hang your jaw open to fix the shortness, you're simulating clockwise rotation of the mandible

The maxilla just need to come down to meet where your mandible is when you're holding it open

@jbwhtninthailand has the same issue as us and he talked with his dentist and surgeon and they’re gonna do BSSO for him, only lower jaw

 

[iblamemandible7]

@jbwhtninthailand has the same issue as us and he talked with his dentist and surgeon and they’re gonna do BSSO for him, only lower jaw

It all depends on x-rays ig, some people only have issues in 1 place

Lmk what Ramieri says I'm curious myself

 

[iblamemandible7]

@FrenchareMedCucks is doing something similar btw I think

 

[kurd]

It all depends on x-rays ig, some people only have issues in 1 place

Lmk what Ramieri says I'm curious myself

Im going to get xray scans first and also ct of my skull

 

[kurd]

@iblamemandible7 Do you think what happened to us is we got born with it or due to enviorenmental reasons.

I do remember i had braces when i was 14-17 but i never woe my rubber bands or night braces. idk if that caussednit

 

[iblamemandible7]

@iblamemandible7 Do you think what happened to us is we got born with it or due to enviorenmental reasons.

I do remember i had braces when i was 14-17 but i never woe my rubber bands or night braces. idk if that caussednit

In my opinion it's genetic

Because according to orthotropic theory we would've gotten too much clockwise rotation and a long face if it was from bad habits, not the opposite

I never had any braces or extractions, but I still got this issue

I even started mewing at around 13 and it did nothing to fix it jfl

Didn't mouth breathe either

It js doesn't add up

 

[iblamemandible7]

From Indian to Hispanic

Nigga got promoted

 

[slaters]

Nigga got promoted

Anavar or lr3

 

[kurd]

In my opinion it's genetic

Because according to orthotropic theory we would've gotten too much clockwise rotation and a long face if it was from bad habits, not the opposite

I never had any braces or extractions, but I still got this issue

I even started mewing at around 13 and it did nothing to fix it jfl

Didn't mouth breathe either

It js doesn't add up

God just fucked us over i guess,

However, the funny part is i actually have no recession besides my bite issue/jaw

My browridge is good, eyes are good, its literally just this causing this. And yes i was mewing aswell from age 13, i even perma jutted and i actually looked good but then i didnt care anymore and stopped, i should perma jutted again until i get my surgery

 

[iblamemandible7]

Anavar or lr3

I don't understand the new lr3 hype ngl

 

[slaters]

@kurd @iblamemandible7 do you guys have wide hips by chance

 

[kurd]

@kurd @iblamemandible7 do you guys have wide hips by chance

Niigga idk

 

[iblamemandible7]

@kurd @iblamemandible7 do you guys have wide hips by chance

Wide as hell

I literally look klinefelter but without the height JFL

 

[iblamemandible7]

God just fucked us over i guess,

However, the funny part is i actually have no recession besides my bite issue/jaw

My browridge is good, eyes are good, its literally just this causing this. And yes i was mewing aswell from age 13, i even perma jutted and i actually looked good but then i didnt care anymore and stopped, i should perma jutted again until i get my surgery

You'll ascend hard asf then once you get rid of this failo

Bimax is law for sfscels

Yea permajutting is law too, I literally trained my jaw to stay open all the time or stack my front teeth together since 14

 

[slaters]

I don't understand the new lr3 hype ngl

It’s cope for most ppls goals

 

[slaters]

Niigga idk

Look at ur self do u

 

[iblamemandible7]

It’s cope for most ppls goals

Niggas will do any peptide but hgh

 

[kurd]

You'll ascend hard asf then once you get rid of this failo

Bimax is law for sfscels

Yea permajutting is law too, I literally trained my jaw to stay open all the time or stack my front teeth together since 14

what about whenyou eat or talk?

 

[iblamemandible7]

what about whenyou eat or talk?

I talk fine never touching my molars together just my front teeth jfll

Eating is tough, ngl if someone took a photo of me while chewing down on something I might end it

 

[kurd]

I talk fine never touching my molars together just my front teeth jfll

Eating is tough, ngl if someone took a photo of me while chewing down on something I might end it

Ok so can u explain to me exactly what you do to fraud so i can copy?

You make sure you teeth arent together with eachother, and let the jaw hang. do u. also push your chin downwards or nah? Explain to me step by step pls babe

 

[iblamemandible7]

Ok so can u explain to me exactly what you do to fraud so i can copy?

You make sure you teeth arent together with eachother, and let the jaw hang. do u. also push your chin downwards or nah? Explain to me step by step pls babe

Bite down how you naturally do, molars lined up normally, basically how you eat, short faced

Then open your jaw just a tiny bit while keeping lips sealed

Then push until your bottom front teeth touch your front teeth, lined up vertically

And just keep them slightly separate in that position

I think it was hard at first but after years it's just my natural posture now

 

[slaters]

Wide as hell

I literally look klinefelter but without the height JFL

Leme c

 

[iblamemandible7]

Leme c

I don't like flicking up cuz it hurts

 

[kurd]

I don't like flicking up cuz it hurts

• Maxilla: +4 mm anterior downgraft, −1 mm posterior impaction, +3 mm advancement
• Mandible: +3 mm forward
• Sliding genio: +3 mm vertical, +2 mm forward
• CW rotation: ~3–4°

i spoke with a jaw surgeon yesterday and he told me these r the best for aesthetic in my case

 

[iblamemandible7]

• Maxilla: +4 mm anterior downgraft, −1 mm posterior impaction, +3 mm advancement
• Mandible: +3 mm forward
• Sliding genio: +3 mm vertical, +2 mm forward
• CW rotation: ~3–4°

i spoke with a jaw surgeon yesterday and he told me these r the best for aesthetic in my case

Interesting

I will say 3mm mandible advancement is not worth it imo if you're getting jaw surgery, you want more like 7mm+ usually for the best aesthetics

 

[kurd]

Interesting

I will say 3mm mandible advancement is not worth it imo if you're getting jaw surgery, you want more like 7mm+ usually for the best aesthetics

So everything is fine besides i should change the mandible mm to 7? ill send u side profile in pms rq

 

[kurd]

Interesting

I will say 3mm mandible advancement is not worth it imo if you're getting jaw surgery, you want more like 7mm+ usually for the best aesthetics

Maxilla

• Anterior downgraft: +5 mm
• Posterior impaction: −2 mm
• Advancement: +4 mm
• CW rotation: ~5°

Mandible

• Advancement: +6–7 mm
• Sliding genio: +4 mm vertical, +3 mm forward

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

Maxilla

• Anterior downgraft: +5 mm
• Posterior impaction: −2 mm
• Advancement: +4 mm
• CW rotation: ~5°

Mandible

• Advancement: +6–7 mm
• Sliding genio: +4 mm vertical, +3 mm forward

how much would this cost you? Also, is your surgeon experienced in dealing with deep bitecels?

 

[kurd]

how much would this cost you? Also, is your surgeon experienced in dealing with deep bitecels?

i found a surgeon in my home country thats willing to do it for 10k, not sure if i should risk it and go with this or spend another 15k for ramieri + transport and hotel etc brah.

 

[kurd]

how much would this cost you? Also, is your surgeon experienced in dealing with deep bitecels?

Im getting 10mm bimax now. not sure if i should do sliding genio still consulting. i was wrong about the price, its 5k usd bimax

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

Im getting 10mm bimax now. not sure if i should do sliding genio still consulting. i was wrong about the price, its 5k usd bimax

Holy hell what kind of slums are you getting your bimax in that you have to pay 5k

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

Im getting 10mm bimax now. not sure if i should do sliding genio still consulting. i was wrong about the price, its 5k usd bimax

Also get a genio please that’s like the most important thing