Should I roid on a cut? help me out brahs

[subhuman9001]

so I know a guy who can get test. I want to do a 500mg test cycle. The problem is that he likely won't be around for long and I bulked way too hard and I want to get lean for June (75kg), so ideally I want to cut now.

This was me in around December:

I was 77kg, 6'0



This is me now at 83/84kg.

As you can see I gained weight way too fast but this is my first bulk so it's expected. I fixed it now and am gaining 1kg per month but i'm still way fatter than I should be.
Should I take test while cutting? Since I look DYEL, I should still be able to put on some decent muscle mass, right?

 

[subhuman9001]

@c0pemaxxer Since it's only 500mg, should I expect bad side effects?

 

[c0pemaxxer]

@c0pemaxxer Since it's only 500mg, should I expect bad side effects?

it differs from person to person, you cant know unless you do it. i think you should be fine though, apart from roid rage i dont think the average person will see any side effects. id suggest you do some more research before hopping on a cycle though. im not very knowledgeable on this topic.

 

[subhuman9001]

it differs from person to person, you cant know unless you do it. i think you should be fine though, apart from roid rage i dont think the average person will see any side effects. id suggest you do some more research before hopping on a cycle though. im not very knowledgeable on this topic.

I definitely will. Just plan to do a small dosage beginner dosage too. My main concern is that i'll be wasting it on a cut tbh.

 

[c0pemaxxer]

I definitely will. Just plan to do a small dosage beginner dosage too. My main concern is that i'll be wasting it on a cut tbh.

i think roids actually help you to cut, it will increase your metabolism and youll burn more calories. youll build muscle as long as youre eating enough protein.
my only concern is whether it will inhibit your natural testosterone and if it may have any future repercussions.

 

[Htobrother]

so I know a guy who can get test. I want to do a 500mg test cycle. The problem is that he likely won't be around for long and I bulked way too hard and I want to get lean for June, so ideally I want to cut now.

This was me in around December:

I was 77kg, 6'0
View attachment 2097401


This is me now at 83/84kg.
View attachment 2097402
As you can see I gained weight way too fast but this is my first bulk so it's expected. I fixed it now and am gaining 1kg per month but i'm still way fatter than I should be.
Should I take test while cutting? Since I look DYEL, I should still be able to put on some decent muscle mass, right?

Gained water a lot

 

[subhuman9001]

i think roids actually help you to cut, it will increase your metabolism and youll burn more calories. youll build muscle as long as youre eating enough protein.
my only concern is whether it will inhibit your natural testosterone and if it may have any future repercussions.

I don't think 500mg would nuke my natural test production. PCT should be enough.
I think it's time I start taking some risks tbh. I want to stop looking like shit and nattycucking is slow.

 

[Htobrother]

so I know a guy who can get test. I want to do a 500mg test cycle. The problem is that he likely won't be around for long and I bulked way too hard and I want to get lean for June, so ideally I want to cut now.

This was me in around December:

I was 77kg, 6'0
View attachment 2097401


This is me now at 83/84kg.
View attachment 2097402
As you can see I gained weight way too fast but this is my first bulk so it's expected. I fixed it now and am gaining 1kg per month but i'm still way fatter than I should be.
Should I take test while cutting? Since I look DYEL, I should still be able to put on some decent muscle mass, right?

maintaince and tesr

 

[Luxury]

if you only run it for a couple of months just spam hcg after and you should be fine after a few weeks and keep your gains with no side effects

 

[Htobrother]

I don't think 500mg would nuke my natural test production. PCT should be enough.
I think it's time I start taking some risks tbh. I want to stop looking like shit and nattycucking is slow.

even with 200mg your FSH LH is <0,00

 

[subhuman9001]

even with 200mg your FSH LH is <0,00

probably a bad thing that I don't know, but can you explain what that means?

Does it look like I gained any muscle at all or just water? I did get stronger. And if I roid on maintenance, will I lose bodyfat?

 

[Htobrother]

probably a bad thing that I don't know, but can you explain what that means?

Does it look like I gained any muscle at all or just water? I did get stronger. And if I roid on maintenance, will I lose bodyfat?

that meqns your naturql production is shut down from exougenous t y gained water

 

[subhuman9001]

that meqns your naturql production is shut down from exougenous t y gained water

yeah, but it activates again after the cycle with PCT?

 

[Htobrother]

yeah, but it activates again after the cycle with PCT?

Yh even without 3 months you are at your natural levels if you did for 8 months

 

[c0pemaxxer]

probably a bad thing that I don't know, but can you explain what that means?

Does it look like I gained any muscle at all or just water? I did get stronger. And if I roid on maintenance, will I lose bodyfat?

FSH and LH are two gonadotrpic hormones which stimulate testosterone production.
your maintenance calories will change when youre on roids. if you continue eating at the same maintenance before you started the cycle then yes you will lose fat. if you take roids and start eating more then no.

 

[subhuman9001]

FSH and LH are two gonadotrpic hormones which stimulate testosterone production.
your maintenance calories will change when youre on roids. if you continue eating at the same maintenance before you started the cycle then yes you will lose fat. if you take roids and start eating more then no.

Will I gain muscle too? Fuck I started bulking at such a shit time.

 

[c0pemaxxer]

Will I gain muscle too? Fuck I started bulking at such a shit time.

as long as you eat enough protein, i think yes

 

[subhuman9001]

pls reply

 

[subhuman9001]

if you only run it for a couple of months just spam hcg after and you should be fine after a few weeks and keep your gains with no side effects

will I make any gains on a cut though?

 

[subhuman9001]

@Over

 

[callisto]

with your hips i would rather look to build at least some obliques and a LOT of back&lowerback to balance out your wide hips.

if you cut now, youll look like a twink after.
you dont really have any muscle on you.

for your "cutting cycle" of 500test fuck that.
if you want to use steroids workout consistently for 4 years and have good diet knowledge and discipline.

if you have low test (means <400) you should get on trt, 80-120mg a week, split up in daily injections and no hcg and ai only if necessary.

if you want to cycle do the steps said before and then start with:
always TRT test dosage, no higher.
for bulking dbol, eq, primo.
for cutting var, mast, gh.

all of the stackroids, especially primo and mast are hairloss demons tho, so take that into account.

pct is always nolvadex 40/40/20/20 and if on cycle >12 months do 40/40/40/40/20/20/20/20

40/40/20/20 means 40mg ed for 2 weeks and 20mg ed for 2 weeks.

 

[subhuman9001]

with your hips i would rather look to build at least some obliques and a LOT of back&lowerback to balance out your wide hips.

if you cut now, youll look like a twink after.
you dont really have any muscle on you.

for your "cutting cycle" of 500test fuck that.
if you want to use steroids workout consistently for 4 years and have good diet knowledge and discipline.

if you have low test (means <400) you should get on trt, 80-120mg a week, split up in daily injections and no hcg and ai only if necessary.

if you want to cycle do the steps said before and then start with:
always TRT test dosage, no higher.
for bulking dbol, eq, primo.
for cutting var, mast, gh.

all of the stackroids, especially primo and mast are hairloss demons tho, so take that into account.

pct is always nolvadex 40/40/20/20 and if on cycle >12 months do 40/40/40/40/20/20/20/20

40/40/20/20 means 40mg ed for 2 weeks and 20mg ed for 2 weeks.

Thanks but since I won't make significant gains before June, I care more about having a lean face currently. And I don't want to mess around with the scary roids for now, just a beginner 500mg test cycle. If I go bald, i'll rope straight away.

 

[subhuman9001]

with your hips i would rather look to build at least some obliques and a LOT of back&lowerback to balance out your wide hips.

if you cut now, youll look like a twink after.
you dont really have any muscle on you.

for your "cutting cycle" of 500test fuck that.
if you want to use steroids workout consistently for 4 years and have good diet knowledge and discipline.

if you have low test (means <400) you should get on trt, 80-120mg a week, split up in daily injections and no hcg and ai only if necessary.

if you want to cycle do the steps said before and then start with:
always TRT test dosage, no higher.
for bulking dbol, eq, primo.
for cutting var, mast, gh.

all of the stackroids, especially primo and mast are hairloss demons tho, so take that into account.

pct is always nolvadex 40/40/20/20 and if on cycle >12 months do 40/40/40/40/20/20/20/20

40/40/20/20 means 40mg ed for 2 weeks and 20mg ed for 2 weeks.

With my muscle mass, should I be able to put on muscle on a cut with/ without steroids?

 

[5.5psl]

with your hips i would rather look to build at least some obliques and a LOT of back&lowerback to balance out your wide hips.

if you cut now, youll look like a twink after.
you dont really have any muscle on you.

for your "cutting cycle" of 500test fuck that.
if you want to use steroids workout consistently for 4 years and have good diet knowledge and discipline.

if you have low test (means <400) you should get on trt, 80-120mg a week, split up in daily injections and no hcg and ai only if necessary.

if you want to cycle do the steps said before and then start with:
always TRT test dosage, no higher.
for bulking dbol, eq, primo.
for cutting var, mast, gh.

all of the stackroids, especially primo and mast are hairloss demons tho, so take that into account.

pct is always nolvadex 40/40/20/20 and if on cycle >12 months do 40/40/40/40/20/20/20/20

40/40/20/20 means 40mg ed for 2 weeks and 20mg ed for 2 weeks.

What are your opinions on gh and mast for cutting
I have heard it takes minimum 6 months for hgh it to kick in and start acting so we should run it for minimum 1 year to reap the benefits but our cutting cycle would be of 12 weeks
Also mast is very androgenic and would rape hair tbh any other substitute of mast for cutting that is kind of little bit hair safe ?

 

[5.5psl]

Thanks but since I won't make significant gains before June, I care more about having a lean face currently. And I don't want to mess around with the scary roids for now, just a beginner 500mg test cycle. If I go bald, i'll rope straight away.

You can take fin for hair
I haven't seen hairloss till now on 500mg , you notice hairloss after many years from roids by that time we all would be 30-35+ and it doesn't matter at that age tbh and you can use fin tho

 

[subhuman9001]

You can take fin for hair
I haven't seen hairloss till now on 500mg , you notice hairloss after many years from roids by that time we all would be 30-35+ and it doesn't matter at that age tbh and you can use fin tho

I have good hair genetics, I doubt i'll ever go bald naturally. I'm kinda scared about the test, but I think 500mg should be okay. I mostly just want to reach my natty limit, don't care about being an ogre that basically injects everything into his ass.

 

[subhuman9001]

You can take fin for hair
I haven't seen hairloss till now on 500mg , you notice hairloss after many years from roids by that time we all would be 30-35+ and it doesn't matter at that age tbh and you can use fin tho

I just turned 22 btw.

 

[5.5psl]

I have good hair genetics, I doubt i'll ever go bald naturally. I'm kinda scared about the test, but I think 500mg should be okay. I mostly just want to reach my natty limit, don't care about being an ogre that basically injects everything into his ass.

Yeah you would reach your natty limit much faster with roids
But my one more recommendation is to blast and cruise and not pct as pct never restores the natty test levels to the baseline and in the future you will have to go for trt better is to hop on it now so that you don't lose 50% gains during pct and feel mentally good too only side of trt at 22 is infertility which can be combatted with sperm freezing and using hcg

 

[subhuman9001]

Yeah you would reach your natty limit much faster with roids
But my one more recommendation is to blast and cruise and not pct as pct never restores the natty test levels to the baseline and in the future you will have to go for trt better is to hop on it now so that you don't lose 50% gains during pct and feel mentally good too only side of trt at 22 is infertility which can be combatted with sperm freezing and using hcg

What do you mean? Isn't pct what everyone does? I don't think a 500mg cycle would perma-nuke my natural T levels. It's a beginner dosage.
I don't want to have to permanently inject T, just a few cycles and call it a day.
Also I don't care about being infertile, don't want kids. But I don't want my balls to stop producing T.

 

[5.5psl]

What do you mean? Isn't pct what everyone does? I don't think a 500mg cycle would perma-nuke my natural T levels. It's a beginner dosage.
I don't want to have to permanently inject T, just a few cycles and call it a day.
Also I don't care about being infertile, don't want kids. But I don't want my balls to stop producing T.

Everyone doesn't do pct
Bodybuilders and fitness influencers all blast and cruise
I also used to think that I will do pct and not inject t for life but when you get deep into it you realise pct is a meme and am utter joke
You lose 50% of your gains while you made on cycle while trying to restore natty test levels
While blasting and cruising you lose 0

 

[subhuman9001]

Everyone doesn't do pct
Bodybuilders and fitness influencers all blast and cruise
I also used to think that I will do pct and not inject t for life but when you get deep into it you realise pct is a meme and am utter joke
You lose 50% of your gains while you made on cycle while trying to restore natty test levels
While blasting and cruising you lose 0

but aren't those influencers the one who inject entire pharmacies into their ass? I just want to do a beginner meme cycle. And wouldn't I make the gains back quickly due to muscle memory?

 

[5.5psl]

but aren't those influencers the one who inject entire pharmacies into their ass? I just want to do a beginner meme cycle. And wouldn't I make the gains back quickly due to muscle memory?

They do inject entire pharmacy
But my point is if you want a really impressive physique know that you can't achieve it by doing pct
Also if you do pct now you will 100% end up with very low t in your 30's and end up on trt

 

[subhuman9001]

They do inject entire pharmacy
But my point is if you want a really impressive physique know that you can't achieve it by doing pct
Also if you do pct now you will 100% end up with very low t in your 30's and end up on trt

I only want to reach my natty limit with steroids. It doesn't have to be seriously impressive.
My long-term goal would be this:

 

[callisto]

I only want to reach my natty limit with steroids. It doesn't have to be seriously impressive.
My long-term goal would be this: View attachment 2097574

if you are 5'10-6'0 this is 180-190lbs at 8-10%bf. that is a very good physique, not looking at his frame and insertions.

test will bloat you, if you dont have any diet knowledge you probably dont know about sodium potassium ratio. 500 test will do a lot but not make your face leaner, it will rather bloat it.

use 200 test and have an ai on hand. especially for people who use roids in a looksmaxxing sense it is ESSENTIAL to do bloodwork for e2 and prl as these shouldnt be elevated at any moment. for cutting i recommend 2 iu hgh morning before minimum 30min cardio.
so all in all you would use 200 test, maybe 6.25 asin e2d and 2 iu hgh. for 4 months of cutting that would not cost a lot, and combined with a good low carb diet which fulfills micronutrient goals you would go to to ~10% bodyfat. insulin but more than that high testosterone dosages are what make modern bodybuilders look bloated and not lean in comparison to golden era bodybuilders.

 

[callisto]

What are your opinions on gh and mast for cutting
I have heard it takes minimum 6 months for hgh it to kick in and start acting so we should run it for minimum 1 year to reap the benefits but our cutting cycle would be of 12 weeks
Also mast is very androgenic and would rape hair tbh any other substitute of mast for cutting that is kind of little bit hair safe ?

gh is good but expensive. it basically makes you fuller, leaner and better sleep/skin/hair.
no real effect on muscle growth even at 8iu for 5 months straight. makes the muscle you have look like more, i'd say.
mast is a wet dream of mine, but unfortunately it is supposed to be the worst steroid with winstrol for hairloss. but everything besides that is s tier only. incredible androgenic drive. incredible sex drive. makes you look lean, especially in the face. no blood pressure/liver/kidney effects. fat loss effect at higher dosages. it will rape your hair tho. im considering getting a hair system if i start to bald from mast, as i havent used it yet, if the effects are good enough. i wont ever have to worry about hair again. i wont bother with fin/dut/ru as these all have the chance of permanently practically castrating you and youll have ED for life and thats nothing ill consider for just hair. maybe, if my head looks good shaved, as i pull a buzz off well ill just get smp.

 

[5.5psl]

gh is good but expensive. it basically makes you fuller, leaner and better sleep/skin/hair.
no real effect on muscle growth even at 8iu for 5 months straight. makes the muscle you have look like more, i'd say.
mast is a wet dream of mine, but unfortunately it is supposed to be the worst steroid with winstrol for hairloss. but everything besides that is s tier only. incredible androgenic drive. incredible sex drive. makes you look lean, especially in the face. no blood pressure/liver/kidney effects. fat loss effect at higher dosages. it will rape your hair tho. im considering getting a hair system if i start to bald from mast, as i havent used it yet, if the effects are good enough. i wont ever have to worry about hair again. i wont bother with fin/dut/ru as these all have the chance of permanently practically castrating you and youll have ED for life and thats nothing ill consider for just hair. maybe, if my head looks good shaved, as i pull a buzz off well ill just get smp.

Love you bro
So we shouldn't be concerned with hairloss on steroids as we can get hair system or smp
That's actually lifefuel tbh
Also people like Jon Skywalker and Calum von mogger who have blasted tf Outta roids haven't lost even a single hair what's the reason ?? Genetics ??

 

[Chowdog]

so I know a guy who can get test. I want to do a 500mg test cycle. The problem is that he likely won't be around for long and I bulked way too hard and I want to get lean for June (75kg), so ideally I want to cut now.

This was me in around December:

I was 77kg, 6'0



This is me now at 83/84kg.

As you can see I gained weight way too fast but this is my first bulk so it's expected. I fixed it now and am gaining 1kg per month but i'm still way fatter than I should be.
Should I take test while cutting? Since I look DYEL, I should still be able to put on some decent muscle mass, right?

 

[subhuman9001]

if you are 5'10-6'0 this is 180-190lbs at 8-10%bf. that is a very good physique, not looking at his frame and insertions.

test will bloat you, if you dont have any diet knowledge you probably dont know about sodium potassium ratio. 500 test will do a lot but not make your face leaner, it will rather bloat it.

use 200 test and have an ai on hand. especially for people who use roids in a looksmaxxing sense it is ESSENTIAL to do bloodwork for e2 and prl as these shouldnt be elevated at any moment. for cutting i recommend 2 iu hgh morning before minimum 30min cardio.
so all in all you would use 200 test, maybe 6.25 asin e2d and 2 iu hgh. for 4 months of cutting that would not cost a lot, and combined with a good low carb diet which fulfills micronutrient goals you would go to to ~10% bodyfat. insulin but more than that high testosterone dosages are what make modern bodybuilders look bloated and not lean in comparison to golden era bodybuilders.

It's a great physique but it's something you can achieve naturally, right?
Yeah, I might just cut down to the low 70s and then bulk back up to 83kg on test if I can still get it then. For now, my main concern is having a lean face by June.

 

[VenatorLuparius]

Another victim of the bulk meme : never bulk ever again.

I too fell prey to this male gaze bullshit. Your December base form did not justify a bulk as you were skinny fat.

You don't know much about bodybuilding so no don't jab your butt, it'll end in tears and disaster.

 

[subhuman9001]

Another victim of the bulk meme : never bulk ever again.

I too fell prey to this male gaze bullshit. Your December base form did not justify a bulk as you were skinny fat.

You don't know much about bodybuilding so no don't jab your butt, it'll end in tears and disaster.

Yeah but i'm going to remain skinnyfat if I don't build muscle and improve metabolism. I would have had to starve myself to reach 70kg and I wouldn't have any energy to lift.

 

[subhuman9001]

Another victim of the bulk meme : never bulk ever again.

I too fell prey to this male gaze bullshit. Your December base form did not justify a bulk as you were skinny fat.

You don't know much about bodybuilding so no don't jab your butt, it'll end in tears and disaster.

So what do you suggest if not to bulk?

 

[VenatorLuparius]

So what do you suggest if not to bulk?

Currently you're fat : cut and maintain the little muscle mass you've gain. Go as low as possible on your bodyfat level and then maingain in the future.

You're still young, don't fuck up your metabolism by using PEDs.You'll regret it later down the line. Don't listen to the bullshit from test druggies in here. Work hard, lift seriously and you'll get results and please stop comparing yourself to people on social media.

I'm turning 31 and I still mog 90% of the young boys out there because I train seriously and stayed away from enhancements.

 

[subhuman9001]

Currently you're fat : cut and maintain the little muscle mass you've gain. Go as low as possible on your bodyfat level and then maingain in the future.

You're still young, don't fuck up your metabolism by using PEDs.You'll regret it later down the line. Don't listen to the bullshit from test druggies in here. Work hard, lift seriously and you'll get results and please stop comparing yourself to people on social media.

I'm turning 31 and I still mog 90% of the young boys out there because I train seriously and stayed away from enhancements.

Did anyone who maingains actually ever develop a good physique? I only ever heard of Greg Doucette saying to maingain. All other gymcels I ever talked to say you need to bulk and cut to build muscle since your body doesn't actually want to put on muscle, you have to give it enough food so it uses the excess to develop muscles.

I'd only ever do 500mg beginner test cycles. Aren't they supposed to be relatively harmless?

 

[subhuman9001]

Currently you're fat : cut and maintain the little muscle mass you've gain. Go as low as possible on your bodyfat level and then maingain in the future.

You're still young, don't fuck up your metabolism by using PEDs.You'll regret it later down the line. Don't listen to the bullshit from test druggies in here. Work hard, lift seriously and you'll get results and please stop comparing yourself to people on social media.

I'm turning 31 and I still mog 90% of the young boys out there because I train seriously and stayed away from enhancements.

also at the level that i'm currently at, do you think I can still build muscle if I diet down to, lets say, 73kg?

 

[callisto]

It's a great physique but it's something you can achieve naturally, right?
Yeah, I might just cut down to the low 70s and then bulk back up to 83kg on test if I can still get it then. For now, my main concern is having a lean face by June.

in 10 years with your genetics maybe. if I was you id cut to 12bf% and go in a 300 surplus with 1:4 sodium potassium ratio and 25pgml e2 for 6-12 months. then cut and maingain.

 

[SoberAndRetarded]

Currently you're fat : cut and maintain the little muscle mass you've gain. Go as low as possible on your bodyfat level and then maingain in the future.

You're still young, don't fuck up your metabolism by using PEDs.You'll regret it later down the line. Don't listen to the bullshit from test druggies in here. Work hard, lift seriously and you'll get results and please stop comparing yourself to people on social media.

I'm turning 31 and I still mog 90% of the young boys out there because I train seriously and stayed away from enhancements.

do you recommend creatine? I've been on it for 6 months and it hasn't caused hairless