should you train traps if you are just going for aesthetics? (GYMCELS gtfih)

[ce10098]

not tryna look like a gymcel. obviously they're not gonna get to big naturally but should I still train them?

 

[cooIguy]

nah

 

[combatingNorwooding]

nah

not tryna look like a gymcel. obviously they're not gonna get to big naturally but should I still train them?

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You def should but don’t do vertical shrugs since it will bias your upper traps which makes the illusion of narrower clavicles.
But doing something like a kelso shrug (scapula retraction) can bias your mid and lower traps, making your upper back look way bigger and not targeting the upper traps much so it’s good.

 

[iblamemaxilla111]

not tryna look like a gymcel. obviously they're not gonna get to big naturally but should I still train them?

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No it makes your frame weird

 

[ce10098]

You def should but don’t do vertical shrugs since it will bias your upper traps which makes the illusion of narrower clavicles.
But doing something like a kelso shrug (scapula retraction) can bias your mid and lower traps, making your upper back look way bigger and not targeting the upper traps much so it’s good.

yea I've had kelsos in my split for like a year but I'm considering dropping them. kelsos are the only shrug variation I do

 

[combatingNorwooding]

yea I've had kelsos in my split for like a year but I'm considering dropping them. kelsos are the only shrug variation I do

Why would you drop it?

 

[ce10098]

You def should but don’t do vertical shrugs since it will bias your upper traps which makes the illusion of narrower clavicles.
But doing something like a kelso shrug (scapula retraction) can bias your mid and lower traps, making your upper back look way bigger and not targeting the upper traps much so it’s good.

I've yet to find research on stimulus of the upper traps from kelsos because ik they bias the mid/lower traps

 

[Datto29]

i train them cus i have skinny neck

 

[ce10098]

i train them cus i have skinny neck

just train neck bhai

 

[combatingNorwooding]

I've yet to find research on stimulus of the upper traps from kelsos because ik they bias the mid/lower traps

Not much research on them since they are very niche but theoretically it will create stimulus in your upper traps since it’s still a shrug but not much since you do it in the transverse plane which the upper traps don’t benefit much from so it kinda “neutralizes” how much they involve in the movement

 

[ce10098]

Not much research on them since they are very niche but theoretically it will create stimulus in your upper traps since it’s still a shrug but not much since you do it in the transverse plane which the upper traps don’t benefit much from so it kinda “neutralizes” how much they involve in the movement

I'm on full body EOD and they're currently in the middle of my workout. should I drop it completely or just put them at the very end with glutes?

 

[combatingNorwooding]

I'm on full body EOD and they're currently in the middle of my workout. should I drop it completely or just put them at the very end with glutes?

Depends if your upper back is lacking or not, and what other movements you are going for your back

 

[ce10098]

Depends if your upper back is lacking or not, and what other movements you are going for your back

for back I do Keenan flaps in the sagittal and frontal plane along with kelsos currently

 

[combatingNorwooding]

for back I do Keenan flaps in the sagittal and frontal plane along with kelsos currently

Then why do you want to drop it? You won’t have an upper back bias if you do

 

[ce10098]

Then why do you want to drop it? You won’t have an upper back bias if you do

do I need an upper back bias? I'm thinking purely for perceived frame. I dont have an upper back bias rn anyway because I do Keenan flaps before kelsos

 

[combatingNorwooding]

do I need an upper back bias? I'm thinking purely for perceived frame. I dont have an upper back bias rn anyway because I do Keenan flaps before kelsos

Yeh you need. Keenan flaps both in the sagittal and frontal plane do not bias the upper back at all or ver minimally. Your back will look very weird if you won’t have an upper back row in your training. Maybe drop the kelso and do a T bar if you want

You’re only training the lats with the Keenan flaps, try to do at least 1 upper back exercise like the kelso, a T bar or an upper back row.

 

[ce10098]

Yeh you need. Keenan flaps both in the sagittal and frontal plane do not bias the upper back at all or ver minimally. Your back will look very weird if you won’t have an upper back row in your training. Maybe drop the kelso and do a T bar if you want

why tbar over kelsos?

 

[hardmaxxx]

not tryna look like a gymcel. obviously they're not gonna get to big naturally but should I still train them?

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i trained them for some time and when i wear a shirt i look weird in it because of the traps. I have average clavicles so i have to try everything i can to create the illusion of a wide frame therefore i skip them. I realized i look better now.

 

[combatingNorwooding]

why tbar over kelsos?

I personally do both to be sure but a T-bar also works on your rear delts, and lats more and a kelso shrug mainly bias your mid and low traps better than a T bar row.

I personally do both since I really need to prioritize my upper back

 

[Brendeeno]

nah training them is cope you get enough work from them alone from training upper back and shoulders