Shoulders are 90% of a good looking body

[WrathOfOlives]

Here's a photoshop of myself making my side delts smaller on the right, maybe taking 1cm off the width.

As you can see, that tiny bit of muscle makes a huge fucking difference to my overall look. I literally look 20 lbs smaller, despite if the photoshop was real it would probably being a pound of muscle difference.

The wild thing is, most men that are gymaxxing will neglect side delts and throw exercises for it in at the end of an upper body/push workout as an afterthought, basically just phoning it in and prioritizing chest. In reality it's probably the exact opposite of it being way more effective to prioritize shoulders/side delts and put chest on the back burner.

And this is what it looks like when a gym maxxer neglects side delts:

Despite this guy carrying-way- more muscle than the vast majority of men and me, still something looks off, like he's jacked, but still looks dorky somehow. It's the side delts mayn.

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

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Here's a photoshop of myself making my side delts smaller on the right, maybe taking 1cm off the width.

As you can see, that tiny bit of muscle makes a huge fucking difference to my overall look. I literally look 20 lbs smaller, despite if the photoshop was real it would probably being a pound of muscle difference.

The wild thing is, most men that are gymaxxing will neglect side delts and throw exercises for it in at the end of an upper body/push workout as an afterthought, basically just phoning it in and prioritizing chest. In reality it's probably the exact opposite of it being way more effective to prioritize shoulders/side delts and put chest on the back burner.

How to train inner chest?

 

[User28823]

clavicle and scapular width are 90% of a good looking body*

 

[tom69]

How to train inner chest?

Do this x2.5 a day for 2 hours

 

[Deleted member 9467]

shoulder - waist - hip - ratio

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

clavicle and scapular width are 90% of a good looking body*

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Which one am I?

 

[User28823]

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Which one am I?

untrained chad, wasted potential if not gymmaxxing

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

untrained chad, wasted potential if not gymmaxxing

My doctor forcing me to gymmax because I have health conditions.

How to gymmax? eat protein shake and creatine? I don't want to go to the gym as well.

 

[Danubecel]

My doctor forcing me to gymmax because I have health conditions.

How to gymmax? eat protein shake and creatine? I don't want to go to the gym as well.

Are you even looksmaxxin if you dont hit the gym

 

[Saint Casanova]

clavicle and scapular width are 90% of a good looking body*

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This Chad is a high level swimmer and the incel is deadlifting jfl

 

[User28823]

My doctor forcing me to gymmax because I have health conditions.

How to gymmax? eat protein shake and creatine? I don't want to go to the gym as well.

Can't gymmax without going to the gym. Protein shake is helpful but real food mogs, creatine is water. Doing twink workouts at home (i saw ur other thread) is cope compared to lifting

This Chad is a high level swimmer and the incel is deadlifting jfl

Chad's frame allowed him to become a high level swimmer, not the other way around. Incel deadlifting or not will look like a framecel

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

Are you even looksmaxxin if you dont hit the gym

But my doctor is forcing me to workout legs and core muscles mainly, kinda pointless in terms of aesthetic,

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

Can't gymmax without going to the gym. Protein shake is helpful but real food mogs, creatine is water. Doing twink workouts at home (i saw ur other thread) is cope compared to lifting

Chad's frame allowed him to become a high level swimmer, not the other way around. Incel deadlifting or not will look like a framecel

Would eating keto diet hinder my muscles progress? I eat mainly steak, salmon, fish sticks, cheese, shrimps because it's easy to prepare. Also how would having muscles increases my chance with girls when it's all under the clothes anyways?

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Legit just hit shoulders for two hours x2 week

 

[User28823]

Would eating keto diet hinder my muscles progress? I eat mainly steak, salmon, fish sticks, cheese, shrimps because it's easy to prepare. Also how would having muscles increases my chance with girls when it's all under the clothes anyways?

Keto is good protein and will keep you very lean but me personally I felt low energy during my workouts without carbs. If you're used to it you'll be fine. You already have a good frame you will look good in a shirt regardless. Add muscle on top of that and you'll look even wider, adding on to the appeal.

 

[Sens]

nope, back mogs everything else into utter dimension

 

[bobsmith03]

untrained chad, wasted potential if not gymmaxxing

me couple months into gym. Do I have the potential to have a physique like David laid?

 

[User28823]

me couple months into gym. Do I have the potential to have a physique like David laid?

gonna be brutally honest bro, you will never look like david laid

 

[caiolindo]

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Which one am I?

Good genetics

 

[bobsmith03]

gonna be brutally honest bro, you will never look like david laid

Is my frame bad?

not even David laid when he's off cycle, not good lightning, not on diuretics?

 

[caiolindo]

shoulders are almost 60% of the physique

 

[User28823]

Is my frame bad?

Yes it's bad. Your hips are very wide, while David's are extremely narrow for a 6'3 guy.

not even David laid when he's off cycle, not good lightning, not on diuretics?

Correct. Look at David before ascending, his hips are extremely narrow, and remained narrow as he grew taller.

His physique's main characteristics rely on the fact that his hips are tiny and clavicles are wide. You on the other hand have very wide hips so even if you had a 25" bideltoid it wouldn't really matter, because your hips would throw off the entire harmony.

 

[Dbeyduvudhs]

The question remains if side lateral raises are better than the overhead press for overall shoulder width.

 

[bobsmith03]

Yes it's bad. Your hips are very wide, while David's are extremely narrow for a 6'3 guy.

Correct. Look at David before ascending, his hips are extremely narrow, and remained narrow as he grew taller.
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His physique's main characteristics rely on the fact that his hips are tiny and clavicles are wide. You on the other hand have very wide hips so even if you had a 25" bideltoid it wouldn't really matter, because your hips would throw off the entire harmony.

I've put my measurements on my account.

6 foot, 76kg, 18.3" biacromial, 20.2" bideltoid, 30" waist circ, 11" waist length, 12.2" hip length, 47" shoulder circ, 40" chest circ

12.2" hip length

20.2" bideltoid


but I know what you mean. Do you know what David laid hip size is or like the circumference?

my hip circumference, the widest boniest part is 31.5 inches at 18% body fat. shoulder circumference is 47.2"

 

[bobsmith03]

Yes it's bad. Your hips are very wide, while David's are extremely narrow for a 6'3 guy.

Correct. Look at David before ascending, his hips are extremely narrow, and remained narrow as he grew taller.
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His physique's main characteristics rely on the fact that his hips are tiny and clavicles are wide. You on the other hand have very wide hips so even if you had a 25" bideltoid it wouldn't really matter, because your hips would throw off the entire harmony.

soon inshallah I will acquire his physique. even if it means injecting 500mg test a week

 

[User28823]

soon inshallah I will acquire his physique. even if it means injecting 500mg test a week

I promise you, you can take all the gear in the world you will never look like him. Not to mention, you don't have the height nor the insertions to look like him.

Assuming you did have the same hip circumference (which I doubt that site is even remotely accurate jfl), you don't have the same ratios, the same ribcage width, and your hips look way wider than 31 inch circumference. It's not even comparable to David he mogs to oblivion.

 

[bobsmith03]

I promise you, you can take all the gear in the world you will never look like him. Not to mention, you don't have the height nor the insertions to look like him.

Assuming you did have the same hip circumference (which I doubt that site is even remotely accurate jfl), you don't have the same ratios, the same ribcage width, and your hips look way wider than 31 inch circumference. It's not even comparable to David he mogs to oblivion.

hmm. I will look like him mark my words. shoot for the stars, land on the moon

 

[User28823]

hmm. I will look like him mark my words. shoot for the stars, land on the moon

alright bro good luck, @ me when you have 4 mill on IG and get sponsored by gymshark

 

[Saint Casanova]

Yes it's bad. Your hips are very wide, while David's are extremely narrow for a 6'3 guy.

Correct. Look at David before ascending, his hips are extremely narrow, and remained narrow as he grew taller.
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His physique's main characteristics rely on the fact that his hips are tiny and clavicles are wide. You on the other hand have very wide hips so even if you had a 25" bideltoid it wouldn't really matter, because your hips would throw off the entire harmony.

He reminds me of Henry’s frame tbh.
@bobsmith03 this should be your goal.

 

[NerdcelThundercok]

Water thread holy

 

[Saint Casanova]

alright bro good luck, @ me when you have 4 mill on IG and get sponsored by gymshark

Brandon was a gymshark athlete and he was a hipcel so I guess it’s not impossible jfl.

 

[bobsmith03]

alright bro good luck, @ me when you have 4 mill on IG and get sponsored by gymshark

He reminds me of Henry’s frame tbh.
@bobsmith03 this should be your goal.

hell na bro that looks ass. I have a way more wider clavicle and v taper than him

 

[Saint Casanova]

hell na bro that looks ass. I have a way more wider clavicle and v taper than him

You don’t.

 

[bobsmith03]

You don’t.

18.3" bicromial and 30" waist

 

[Saint Casanova]

18.3" bicromial and 30" waist

Waist looks bigger than that and also it’s your hips that are the issue. Bictomial is nothing special especially for gymaxxed dues.

Have a realistic aim, your frame looks like Henry’s. It’s like saying I want Sean O Pry’s hunter eyes whilst having bug eyes. Some things aren’t possible bro.

 

[Krakowski]

soon inshallah I will acquire his physique. even if it means injecting 500mg test a week

Even if you did I doubt you have his face which haloed him like crazy

 

[bobsmith03]

Waist looks bigger than that and also it’s your hips that are the issue. Bictomial is nothing special especially for gymaxxed dues.

Have a realistic aim, your frame looks like Henry’s. It’s like saying I want Sean O Pry’s hunter eyes whilst having bug eyes. Some things aren’t possible bro.

its all about clavicle length

 

[Saint Casanova]

its all about clavicle length

You don’t have the right’s clavicle jfl.

 

[bobsmith03]

Even if you did I doubt you have his face which haloed him like crazy

My body is a flaw more than my face atp, I'm too skinny in my arms.

but I'm 2-3 surgery away from getting chadlite. main flaws is hollow under eyes (fixed with infra-malar implant), genio to mainly fix side profile, jaw implant to asymmetrical ramus

 

[bobsmith03]

You don’t have the right’s clavicle jfl.

Old pics I’m skinny af here but I got wide clavicle

 

[Saint Casanova]

Yes it's bad. Your hips are very wide, while David's are extremely narrow for a 6'3 guy.

Correct. Look at David before ascending, his hips are extremely narrow, and remained narrow as he grew taller.
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His physique's main characteristics rely on the fact that his hips are tiny and clavicles are wide. You on the other hand have very wide hips so even if you had a 25" bideltoid it wouldn't really matter, because your hips would throw off the entire harmony.

Wonder why they never grew wider? He could’ve been taking an AI which limited hip growth ?

 

[Saint Casanova]

Old pics I’m skinny af here but I got wide clavicle

They aren’t bad, but like @User28823, it’s about shoulder to hip ratio.

 

[bobsmith03]

They aren’t bad, but like @User28823, it’s about shoulder to hip ratio.

how shall i measure hips btw. like 1 or 2.

I know I have my shoulder circ measurement right because its just arms to side, neutral posture, widest part of shoulder.

but what about hip measurement? ill measure it for you now

 

[WrathOfOlives]

me couple months into gym. Do I have the potential to have a physique like David laid?

I know a lot of ppl will demoralize you for asking that, but I will tell you the real. You have a lot of body fat to lose, and tbh don't really know what your structure is like until you get somewhat lean, like 15% bf or so.

This is me when I was chubbyish, looking like I am built like a fridge.

Me after losing a bunch of body fat, at the smallest notch in a child's weightlifting belt. My waist is getting so small I'm going to have to carve out smaller holes in my weightlifting belt when it inevitably gets too loose as i progress further into my cut.

Point being, you don't really know your structure until you get somewhat lean, I never would of guessed I had good V-taper genetics until I lost fat.

 

[Saint Casanova]

how shall i measure hips btw. like 1 or 2.

I know I have my shoulder circ measurement right because its just arms to side, neutral posture, widest part of shoulder.

but what about hip measurement? ill measure it for you now

Do both. Upper is more important though.

 

[bobsmith03]

I know a lot of ppl will demoralize you for asking that, but I will tell you the real. You have a lot of body fat to lose, and tbh don't really know what your structure is like until you get somewhat lean, like 15% bf or so.

This is me when I was chubbyish, looking like I am built like a fridge.

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Me after losing a bunch of body fat, at the smallest notch in a child's weightlifting belt. My waist is getting so small I'm going to have to carve out smaller holes in my weightlifting belt when it inevitably gets too loose as i progress further into my cut.

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Point being, you don't really know your structure until you get somewhat lean, I never would of guessed I had good V-taper genetics until I lost fat.

yeah and also my ethnicity holds a lot of belly fat. I'm 18% rn, I checked with callipers. Doing a recomop rn by high protein maintenance diet. I'm slowly building muscle while not gaining much fat if not losing some.

 

[bobsmith03]

Do both. Upper is more important though.

I'll give you shoulder width, hip width measurements.

I used a marker and a wall to measure these. the hips and waist I give varied measurements because I'm 18% fat

20.86" inch bideltoid
11.41"-12.59" waist, narrowest part. varies if pushing in or not
12.40"-13.38" hip, boniest part, variest if pushing marker in or not

46" shoulder circumference
30" waist circumference, narrowest part n
31.5" hip circumference, bellow button, most boney part
37" hip circumference by dick region

 

[User28823]

Wonder why they never grew wider? He could’ve been taking an AI which limited hip growth ?

I don't know the science behind hip development but I could only assume his hip plates closed earlier than his long bones.

 

[Saint Casanova]

I don't know the science behind hip development but I could only assume his hip plates closed earlier than his long bones.

Hip growth never stops though ? It can grow all throughout adult life ??

I read that.

 

[User28823]

Hip growth never stops though ? It can grow all throughout adult life ??

I read that.

No, your iliac crests have growth plates. They typically close between ages 14-22