Social conservatism and monogamy are dead without religion

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Christianity is perhaps dead, most muslims still have really strong faiths and I don't see their values going away any time soon (the non-western ones at least)

Critique is mostly applicable to the west and the Anglo sphere I agree, that being said how long will Muslim cultures endure the same issues, look at Turkey for example, a Muslim countries that’s been slowly westernised due to its geopolitical and historical relations is secularising and liberalising at a fast rate.

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

Critique is mostly applicable to the west and the Anglo sphere I agree, that being said how long will Muslim cultures endure the same issues, look at Turkey for example, a Muslim countries that’s been slowly westernised due to its geopolitical and historical relations is secularising and liberalising at a fast rate.

If every new generation is based and not malleable to the influence of the west I think islam in a good amount of countries could last for centuries. It's only a matter of time like you said where secularism spreads to a level where the west is at right now

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

If every new generation is based and not malleable to the influence of the west I think islam in a good amount of countries could last for centuries. It's only a matter of time like you said where secularism spreads to a level where the west is at right now

I vaguely remember you saying you are a Muslim, genuine question, why doesn’t God re-appear in a time where the world is rapidly moving away from religion? Do muslims consider this.

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

I vaguely remember you saying you are a Muslim, genuine question, why doesn’t God re-appear in a time where the world is rapidly moving away from religion? Do muslims consider this.

Muslims and christians usually say nothing evil in this world will go unpunished so that's their warning for people swaying away from religion. You can also google the sign of end times there's literally hundreds of them predicting the future of humanity

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

@TsarTsar444 need you to Islam pill me before I go clinically insane

 

[TsarTsar444]

And it’s no secret that a lot of conservative philosophy and value is centred around religion and the divine. Is marriage simply a piece of paper or is it a union ordained by God between a man and a woman? Is there value in chastity and modesty or is it all just subjective garbage? You get my point. The death of monogamy through the loss of conservative values co-inciding with the loss of religion will accelerate the problems our generation faces.

Yes, this is very true and i didn't realise it when being an edgy atheist in my early teens and until just 2 years ago maybe where i became a believer again.

Marriage is way more sacred then how society sees it today, its something most holy to God, in every village of my country there are tons of sweetheart super old grannies who are widows, and i would see them going alone to their husbands graves even if they died decades ago, bringing flowers and some items he loved while alive, and ofcourse talking to them like they are there.

Our empathy and morals, love for other humans is all based on belief in God with his eternal Logos (reason) and Sophia (wisdom).

Total collapse of civilization will happen without this belief.

Although i believe that religiousity is rising fervour amongst zoomers, but the normal religious people are indeed going away

 

[TsarTsar444]

Education, knowledge and material progress decrease religiosity the only logical conclusions are

 

[TsarTsar444]

Btw, the bell curve midwit meme i posted above is never more fitting then when it comes to religion specifically, and this is the answer to your post except your conclusion maybe is wrong. Education has brought alot of suffering to religion, before there were either oblivious peasants or sentient nobility and clergy, both believing in God for different reasons.

Whats cageful is how you might think that education has done anything to theology
That was what i thought in my edgy teens, but my man do you need to go into Islamic and Christian theology and read the enormous amount of books they have spent their lifes on writting with every matter on theology, including tons of counters to atheism which was already established a milenium ago.

The only way for people to become religious again is mandatory complex and primary focus of religious study with philosophy.

(PS, did all nighter so my wording might look brutal low iq)

 

[HerpDerpson]

No, that has nothing in common. All the tribes were monogamous even though they haven't been degenerated by religions (science is also a religion, btw).

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

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While this is true for certain specific scientists aka newton and heisenberg it is not the trend

Eminent scientists reject the supernatural: a survey of the Fellows of the Royal Society - Evolution: Education and Outreach

Fellows of the Royal Society of London were invited to participate in a survey of attitudes toward religion. They were asked about their beliefs in a personal God, the existence of a supernatural entity, consciousness surviving death, and whether religion and science occupy non-overlapping...

evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com

Pic rel is responses from fellows of the royal society of sciences some of the most accomplished individuals in science, note the responses are almost identical to what it was in 1916

 

[TsarTsar444]

I will send you a Google docs copy of a book that might interest you, its a much shortened version of the original, which basically condensed the main points of the authors work.

Keep in mind the author was a part of the Freudian school of degenaracy and his whole magnus opus had the goal of proving Freudian theory on sexual liberty, but he ended up with a shocking opposite realisation from the decade long study he completed.

 

[TsarTsar444]

While this is true for certain specific scientists aka newton and heisenberg it is not the trend

Eminent scientists reject the supernatural: a survey of the Fellows of the Royal Society - Evolution: Education and Outreach

Fellows of the Royal Society of London were invited to participate in a survey of attitudes toward religion. They were asked about their beliefs in a personal God, the existence of a supernatural entity, consciousness surviving death, and whether religion and science occupy non-overlapping...

evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com

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Pic rel is responses from fellows of the royal society of sciences some of the most accomplished individuals in science, note the responses are almost identical to what it was in 1916

Thats completely different because im an agnostic myself, this is more complicated will need to explain it better how it works another time

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Btw, the bell curve midwit meme i posted above is never more fitting then when it comes to religion specifically, and this is the answer to your post except your conclusion maybe is wrong. Education has brought alot of suffering to religion, before there were either oblivious peasants or sentient nobility and clergy, both believing in God for different reasons.

Whats cageful is how you might think that education has done anything to theology
That was what i thought in my edgy teens, but my man do you need to go into Islamic and Christian theology and read the enormous amount of books they have spent their lifes on writting with every matter on theology, including tons of counters to atheism which was already established a milenium ago.

The only way for people to become religious again is mandatory complex and primary focus of religious study with philosophy.

(PS, did all nighter so my wording might look brutal low iq)

You used to be an atheist too right? Which is why I tagged you.

Most religious rebuttals fall extremely short in my eyes, from reading arguments to watching debates every time I’ve tried to grasp onto it, it never holds.

I’m not an edgy atheist, I was at maybe 14/15 but by the time I was 16 I was aware of the existential dread that comes with nihilism and it’s consequences. Even though I had never been introduced to the concept of nihilism or Nietzsche I knew that the loss of religion is arguably one of the worst things to happen. Even with philosophy I doubt it, most philosophers are atheistic, any philosophical argument for a dirty will at most edge you closer to agnosticism or deism, I’ve never seen a compelling case for theism even though I’m begging I’m wrong

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Thats completely different because im an agnostic myself, this is more complicated will need to explain it better how it works another time

Thought you were a Muslim convert?

 

[TsarTsar444]

Thought you were a Muslim convert?

any philosophical argument for a dirty will at most edge you closer to agnosticism or deism

Well indeed, i believe in God, but in a deist/pantheist/universalistic sense.

But im not sure what you mean with religious rebuttals, i mean i know all the arguments from both sides but what makes you think they aren't equal to eachother? But this is what i mentioned about explaining better somewhat later when im not brain-dead from zero sleep and currently traveling to uni for my final, discussing theology instead of revising, mirin my low inhib ngl

 

[thenewhebbe]

Thought you were a Muslim convert?

He was born into a muslim household, muslim country and probably had muslim friends but thats debatable.

And he left in his teens so probably left because of bad arguments.

Then he came back to islam because he had cultural upbringing in islam and probably easy for him to take in arguments for islam

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Well indeed, i believe in God, but in a deist/pantheist/universalistic sense.

But im not sure what you mean with religious rebuttals, i mean i know all the arguments from both sides but what makes you think they aren't equal to eachother? But this is what i mentioned about explaining better somewhat later when im not brain-dead from zero sleep and currently traveling to uni for my final, discussing theology instead of revising, mirin my low inhib ngl

Things like teleological, fine tuning, first cause arguments at best get you close to a dirty or being that started the conditions for the universe, even if we assume it to be true it is more proof of deism rather than a personal god that cares for life and humans such as the god theism and it’s holy books posit

 

[TsarTsar444]

He was born into a muslim household, muslim country and probably had muslim friends but thats debatable.

And he left in his teens so probably left because of bad arguments.

Then he came back to islam because he had cultural upbringing in islam and probably easy for him to take in arguments for islam

My family is muslim in name, not religious or knowledgeable on anything at all, i read books by likes of Al Ghazali and his plethora of knowledge, this year i have read works from the church fathers. Catholicism and Orthodox mogs tbh, definitely when it comes to modern Salafist Islam that is

 

[TsarTsar444]

Things like teleological, fine tuning, first cause arguments at best get you close to a dirty or being that started the conditions for the universe, even if we assume it to be true it is more proof of deism rather than a personal god that cares for life and humans such as the god theism and it’s holy books posit

I agree by pure logic as a honest skeptic, but the personal thing which you mentioned is the hardest to explain proof. My brain is the polar opposite right now when it comes to discussing this, but to mention an example of this is race. Human races for example are 100% real according to human observation, but scientifically the consensus is that races can't exist because there are no strict border where one starts and another ends, yet humans by instict put an arbitary border somewhere.

The closest to a sign we are clearly special to a possible creator is the fact that we haven't noticed a trace of intelegent life meet us, even though our planet formed more then 10 billion years after the beginning. If we indeed are the only living thing in entire existence, at least on complex life form level, then clearly something is fishy.

 

[TsarTsar444]

@SubhumanCurrycel

 

[Nasi Lemak]

BLACKPILL!

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

I agree by pure logic as a honest skeptic, but the personal thing which you mentioned is the hardest to explain proof. My brain is the polar opposite right now when it comes to discussing this, but to mention an example of this is race. Human races for example are 100% real according to human observation, but scientifically the consensus is that races can't exist because there are no strict border where one starts and another ends, yet humans by instict put an arbitary border somewhere.

The closest to a sign we are clearly special to a possible creator is the fact that we haven't noticed a trace of intelegent life meet us, even though our planet formed more then 10 billion years after the beginning. If we indeed are the only living thing in entire existence, at least on complex life form level, then clearly something is fishy.

Hmm interesting although I’m not sure I completely buy it, in my mind if we were special to the creator the creator would have let us know and also given us instructions and displayed some form of omniscience, i.e texts that contained knowledge no human genuinely could have known at the time.

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

@SubhumanCurrycel

Interesting I’ve read a little but it’s essentially an idea of how sexual control manages societies. Will read fully, thanks

 

[Nasi Lemak]

La ta ta ta ta ta la

 

[TsarTsar444]

Interesting I’ve read a little but it’s essentially an idea of how sexual control manages societies. Will read fully, thanks

Its more interesting because the author wanted to prove the opposite, and because of how true to science he was by publishing the work he was praised by both sides of the spectrum for different reasons.

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Bumo need more answers

 

[Maalik]

whatever bro if ur sad now ur gonna be sad back then or in a “social conservative “ soyciety

it would be less sad for subhuman men in a socially conservative society. you can't deny that.

And culture does actually have a massive impact on female behaviour. Vast majority of women almost always go with the flow provided they don't feel actively persecuted.

 

[vermillioncorefan]

it would be less sad for subhuman men in a socially conservative society. you can't deny that.

And culture does actually have a massive impact on female behaviour. Vast majority of women almost always go with the flow provided they don't feel actively persecuted.

why tf would i care bro i’ll still b dead inside
if allah don’t change my neurochemistry then idc abt him
u gonna have us fasting on ramadan for used up stink pussy

 

[Deleted member 5815]

social doesn't exist and monogamy is natural and has always existed prior to these jewish religions it's just love and having a family

 

[Maalik]

why tf would i care bro i’ll still b dead inside
if allah don’t change my neurochemistry then idc abt him
u gonna have us fasting on ramadan for used up stink pussy

I'm dead inside too bro. I don't even have the willpower left to disagree tbh

 

[vermillioncorefan]

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I'm dead inside too bro. I don't even have the willpower left to disagree tbh

if i was assigned a stacy wife who loves me i would just complain to her 24/7 about how i feel like shit

 

[Maalik]

social doesn't exist and monogamy is natural and has always existed prior to these jewish religions it's just love and having a family

but looking at it from perspective of natural selection
there is a clear incentive in giving one man a hundred women. = more children.

So it makes sense that when we lift away all the social contracts and revert to animal lifestyle, thats exactly what happens. A small number of men take all the women.

 

[Maalik]

i

if i was assigned a stacy wife who loves me i would just complain to her 24/7 about how i feel like shit

I only reached rock bottom after a decade of loneliness and humiliation. Why are you so broken

 

[vermillioncorefan]

I only reached rock bottom after a decade of loneliness and humiliation. Why are you so broken

idk bro. i’m just built like this. nothin excites me
i’m not lonely i have all the friends i need on discord which is 1 person who likes me idk why cuz i’m a terrible person
i wish i was lonely cuz then i’d just go make friends, as it stands i don’t have the mental energy to talk about anything other than complaining and normies hate complaining

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Religion is set to continue a sharp decline throughout the west by almost every measure and this brings a great deal of dread to the social fabric.
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Religion is pretty much dead in Europe and most of the Anglo sphere for younger generations and is dropping rapidly in America.

Why is this an issue?


It’s pretty obvious monogamy is a protective social norm especially for men, it guarantees equal pairing of men and women and also co-operation and the sustenance of a family unit. There has only been two ways this has been enforced, either through religious norms embedded in the social fabric or authoritarian governance and strict indoctrination of family unit propaganda since birth. The west has relied on the former rather than the latter.

Less religiosity is associated with a “freer market” for sex aka what we see today basically de facto polygyny where a small number of men capitalise and gamify the dating market taking up multiple women aka hypergamy.

The less religious a society the more promiscuous the less stable and more volatile the relationship between the sexes both at an individual and societal level
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This trend will continue as religiosity nose dives into oblivion with perhaps remaining small ethnic communities however it will be lost from the broader social sphere and older people continue to die off replaced by non-religious youth there is no way back.

And it’s no secret that a lot of conservative philosophy and value is centred around religion and the divine. Is marriage simply a piece of paper or is it a union ordained by God between a man and a woman? Is there value in chastity and modesty or is it all just subjective garbage? You get my point. The death of monogamy through the loss of conservative values co-inciding with the loss of religion will accelerate the problems our generation faces.

Religion is a priceless social tool however, it is very clear that it is just that, a social tool and has no bearing in reality. regardless of how much time I’ve spent trying to mental gymnastics myself into thinking God is real and revelation 2.0 will be dropped to solve the worlds issues and make everything right, it’s obvious this isn’t the case. Fuck reality we never should have developed human consciousness.

Very good news. Betabuxx will no longer be possible

Where's the problem?​

 

[Aladin]

Jews didn’t do shit to undermine religion, learning more about the world did. Education, knowledge and material progress decrease religiosity the only logical conclusions are
1. God is not real.
2. If God is real he is not as described as by the holy books or he is indifferent to human affairs.

Either conclusion leads us to where we are.

Jfl

The Jews are the ones pushing the theory of abiogenesis and macro evolution which have never been fully proven in order to offer an alternative to an origin of life.

 

[Skywalker]

Yes, this is very true and i didn't realise it when being an edgy atheist in my early teens and until just 2 years ago maybe where i became a believer again.

Marriage is way more sacred then how society sees it today, its something most holy to God, in every village of my country there are tons of sweetheart super old grannies who are widows, and i would see them going alone to their husbands graves even if they died decades ago, bringing flowers and some items he loved while alive, and ofcourse talking to them like they are there.

Our empathy and morals, love for other humans is all based on belief in God with his eternal Logos (reason) and Sophia (wisdom).

Total collapse of civilization will happen without this belief.

Although i believe that religiosity is rising fervor amongst zoomers, but the normal religious people are indeed going away

nah bro thats
marriage is absolutely horrible.......the grannies couldnt get any better and cheated on their husbands behind their backs trust
the men, being poor incels in a shit country, could only get sex by simping to a non attractive foid by marriage , to which they had to serve and jester-maxx their whole life for her to throw a crumb once every month or so when she could tolerate the incel

this is the reality of marriage, but you should know this, but yeah....
bluepill.org strikes again....this whole thread was so fucking bluepilled its unbeleivable