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Jaw implants can look good if you have the right base for them. Majority of people have a bad base for them. Here are some reasons why they often look bad.
1. Narrow jaw naturally comes with a narrow palate. So when you have a narrow jaw+narrow palate and you get implants, especially to increase width, it looks uncanny. This is probably the #1 reason why a lot of jaw implants look ridiculous. There are people (such as myself) with a very wide palate but still average/narrow jaw. Anyway, see the below photo
I am not sure what ratio range is generally good here, but the line in question is below. The ratio of red to blue should not be so low. It looks like you could fit his lips three times side by side, almost like 1:3. Maybe something like 4:9 is better? idk cba to measure that rn. Part of the issue may also be that certain palate widths are often accompanied by certain gonial angles, meaning from the frontal, whether the gonial angle is ideally above, below, or on the same horizontal level as the lips will be different depending on the person. In this guys case the fact the angle is both prominent and below the lips seems to contribute to the uncanny factor
2. Having an overall narrow face but a bigonial-bizygomatic ratio that is higher than 1. A bigonial-bizigyomatic ratio higher than 1, usually associated with either flared gonions, relatively laterally flat cheekbones, or some combination of both, is found more frequently on faces with a high FWHR. If you don't have that, it will look uncanny.
This is present in the below photo, and the issue is compounded in the fact that the jaw angle is simultaneously (1) very defined and (2) significantly higher than the lips. These things rarely go hand in hand. His before looks better. He would have done better to maybe get 1/3 of the horizontal projection. As it stands, it almost looks like from the frontal his gonial angle increased. It could also have been his posture in both images, but his neck does not accommodate the jaw in the after while it does in the former. It sometimes even appears as if the left face is wider because of the way it harmonizes with the neck better.
Jaw implants are so finicky to get right. They should always be done in extreme moderation. Most jaw implants I see needed only a fraction of what they already got. It is a much more finicky area than the upper midface; even in the "worst" looking inframalar-zygomatic arch implants for example, they at least always look within the realm of normal since there the connection between a good upper midface and a good rest-of-the-face seems weaker than the connection between a good mandible and a good rest-of-the-face. The best bimax results I find are often not the result of the particular surgeon and/or larger advancements, but simply because they had a good upper midface (what people are saying without realizing it when they say a pre-bimax person had a "good base").
Most people who think they need a sizeable jaw implant actually need some combination of the following: a small jaw implant, a chin wing, a sliding genioplasty, sarpe, mse, submental liposuction, subplastysmal pliation. If you are a rare case of someone with a bad jaw and a good palate, it is more feasible, but you would want to ensure the resulting angle aligns ideally with the plane of your lips--what that ideal alignment may look like for you, I don't know.
1. Narrow jaw naturally comes with a narrow palate. So when you have a narrow jaw+narrow palate and you get implants, especially to increase width, it looks uncanny. This is probably the #1 reason why a lot of jaw implants look ridiculous. There are people (such as myself) with a very wide palate but still average/narrow jaw. Anyway, see the below photo
I am not sure what ratio range is generally good here, but the line in question is below. The ratio of red to blue should not be so low. It looks like you could fit his lips three times side by side, almost like 1:3. Maybe something like 4:9 is better? idk cba to measure that rn. Part of the issue may also be that certain palate widths are often accompanied by certain gonial angles, meaning from the frontal, whether the gonial angle is ideally above, below, or on the same horizontal level as the lips will be different depending on the person. In this guys case the fact the angle is both prominent and below the lips seems to contribute to the uncanny factor
2. Having an overall narrow face but a bigonial-bizygomatic ratio that is higher than 1. A bigonial-bizigyomatic ratio higher than 1, usually associated with either flared gonions, relatively laterally flat cheekbones, or some combination of both, is found more frequently on faces with a high FWHR. If you don't have that, it will look uncanny.
This is present in the below photo, and the issue is compounded in the fact that the jaw angle is simultaneously (1) very defined and (2) significantly higher than the lips. These things rarely go hand in hand. His before looks better. He would have done better to maybe get 1/3 of the horizontal projection. As it stands, it almost looks like from the frontal his gonial angle increased. It could also have been his posture in both images, but his neck does not accommodate the jaw in the after while it does in the former. It sometimes even appears as if the left face is wider because of the way it harmonizes with the neck better.
Jaw implants are so finicky to get right. They should always be done in extreme moderation. Most jaw implants I see needed only a fraction of what they already got. It is a much more finicky area than the upper midface; even in the "worst" looking inframalar-zygomatic arch implants for example, they at least always look within the realm of normal since there the connection between a good upper midface and a good rest-of-the-face seems weaker than the connection between a good mandible and a good rest-of-the-face. The best bimax results I find are often not the result of the particular surgeon and/or larger advancements, but simply because they had a good upper midface (what people are saying without realizing it when they say a pre-bimax person had a "good base").
Most people who think they need a sizeable jaw implant actually need some combination of the following: a small jaw implant, a chin wing, a sliding genioplasty, sarpe, mse, submental liposuction, subplastysmal pliation. If you are a rare case of someone with a bad jaw and a good palate, it is more feasible, but you would want to ensure the resulting angle aligns ideally with the plane of your lips--what that ideal alignment may look like for you, I don't know.
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