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T L D R: People before industrial era nutrition used to be more robust. Some populations from lower estates of pre-modern society used (on average) to be more reduced and shorter in looks than higher class (becasue many population went throught alpinisation/alpinizaton and baltisation/balticization processes becasue of bad living conditions), Europid are, on average, the most attractive on dating market.
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,,Racially progressive tendencies in a race are typically modern sapiens features. In this context I mean neomorphic, new features, which are both balanced, versatile, under as much conditions as possible advantageous and efficient. The new feature must be generally advantageous or at least not disadvantageous, neutral, if considering as much factors as possible, to be called progressive. Usually this tendencies are on line with the general trends of Hominisation, f.e. decrease of prognathy, prominence of the upper jaw, changes in the position of the foramen magnum and the form and position of the parietal bone etc."
This is what Agrippa said. I assume it is mosltly based on environmental factors. I.e. Europids got for instance smaller teeth than negroids because of different diet through many millenia. This is probably also the reason behind the different skull shape in general.
reptiles: I mean this makes sense though if he already went in with the idea europoid skulls were the most advantageous we don't know but I have a hyposthsis the more strict the sexual competition is the harsher the enviroment is the more likely 1 is to produce gigachads
Interesting. Well. I think it depends on what do we think about "harsh" enviroment really. As far as I know the really harsh enviroment (which implicate worse food supply and worse living conditions in general) results actually in racial reduction. This is a theory how certain racial type were developed.
East Cromagnid - West Baltid - East Baltid
West Cromagnid and Paleoatlandtid - reduced cromagnid - Alpinid
It does not really mean there are no GIGACHADS in population living in harsher conditions, or general non-attracive males but i preindustiral society it was linked to social strata. The progressive racial elements (Nordid, Cromagnid) were more common in higher classes of the society i.e. nobility. While in lower clasess the more reduced, infantilized racial elements were more dominat.
"Just imagine a group of Slavic peasants which had a percentage of just 10 percent Osteuropids, whereas the rest was Nordoid, Nordoid-Mediterranid and Nordoid-Cromagnid, like in most Indo-Europeans, for convenience and because that was dominant, let's just speak of Nordoid vs. Osteuropoid, like I. Schwidetzky did in her work about the ancient Slavs.
Now the peasantry became more and more dependent, sedentary and began to live more peacefully, yet in larger settlements, with worse hygiene, nutrition and more diseases.
Baltisation starts and certain traits which make up the Osteuropoid variant in comparison to the Nordoid are favoured. From one generation to the next, slowly but steadily, the Osteuropoid element proportions will grow, while the Nordoid will shrink.
Probably not even because the Nordoids have less children than they had before, but because the Osteuropoid HAVE EVEN MORE and even under deteriorating conditions!
So all of them would be, when the Nordoid would be only 50 percent and Osteuropoid 50 percent too, still be descendents of the very same people, just the racial proportions changed, because people with this traits (Osteuropoid) had more offspring relative to those with the other traits (Nordoid).
It is a change in the genpool which might not even be related in all instances to massive immigration, it is natural selection at work, just under unfavourable conditions in which the more frugale people which procreate faster under bad, but rather stable conditions, had the upper hand on the longer run, especially in the lower classes.
Some assume that the introduction of Christianity had an influence on this too, because now certain limitations to mixture and marriages etc. were lifted, while at the same time all people became subjugated as peasantry, with just the nobility being really free and old high level selection being at its end, because social success and positive risk taking, Idealism and group orientation might have been still important, especially for the group, but did no longer pay off biologically for the practising individuals!
So a sturdy, more cold resistent and frugal peasant type became more dominant, which is the classic Osteuropid, which descends from archaic hunters, fishers and gatherers of the North East, which became Finno-Ugrians at one point in prehistory, and Balticised and Slavicised later, which was the way they came into the Slavic populations genpool...
That process of Baltisation might be older though, since the Cromagnoid elements became more reduced and gracile over time, resulting without Mongoloid tendencies in Westbaltid and Baltid variants, with Mongoloid tendencies in Eastbaltids."
From this topic, probably the most interesting.
Interesting. Well. I think it depends on what do we think about "harsh" enviroment really. As far as I know the really harsh enviroment (which implicate worse food supply and worse living conditions in general) results actually in racial reduction. This is a theory how certain racial type were developed.
reptiles: It does reduce to racial reduction however strict sexual competition leads to desired feauters past down over thousands of years if you don't grow right you will look ugly we can compare a westerner today compared to their ancestors they look incels in comparison strict sexual competition leads to very desired features that become attractive it's why western faces perfer antes and chinese per say don't they have a similar version of the ante but ones with their own pheno types. I truly think anyone given the right environment and and diet could turn into a wider faced chad maybe not to western standard but by no means would they be ugly very few incels are found in traditional tribal areas meanwhile so many incel looking dudes can be found in normie area receding chins frauding bones.Why ? all this though cause they did not grow right i think the diet enviroment and strict sexual selection will lead chaddier faces or what you term progressive faces.
Well, it is true that diet that composed of easy to chew food in early years of a human being does have an impact on his skull growth but the impact of this diet just stunned the proper growth of certain population but this rather does not lead into a negative selection.
I remember photos done by some scientists in 20th century, he has done a comparison between people from cities on modern diet and common rural folk who got to chew a lot, the author and title are: Weston Price's "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" .
reptiles: I truly think anyone given the right environment and and diet could turn into a wider faced chad maybe not to western standard but by no means would they be ugly very few incels are found in traditional tribal areas meanwhile so many incel looking dudes can be found in normie area receding chins frauding bones. Why ? all this though cause they did not grow right i think the diet enviroment and strict sexual selection will lead chaddier faces or what you term progressive faces.
I do believe there are many factors that are causing this, some are these you just typed. Well progressive face also could be quite incelish. What I man is that there could be a Chad-looking human among various human phenotypes.
reptiles: Most nobility high classes tended to practice incest that goes agaist your thesis that gigachads would be of nobility.
Royal families throughout history were known for inbreeding...They wanted their lines to be pure royal so. What better way than to literally...
www.historyundressed.com
Well what you gave here is an example that involves the top-tier European monarch in post-medieval era. I do not deny the inbreediung was an issue among the high European aristocracy after medieval period (i.e. house of Habsburg) but this doesn't show us a large spectrum of noble class in general. What I mean was that upper-classes tend to be on average taller and rather unreduced racial features, because of more favourable living conditions, like access to resources and different way of selection, especially during the ages where higher-status warriors (i.e. ancient herder-warrior indo-Europeans) and then knights social estates where seriously involved into war as an active participants. Also this is visible in India where upper casts got more Europid and progressive features, this is also a thing when it comes to the Sikhs population - well known for their military traditions and fighting skill - who are on average taller than the common hindu people.
reptiles: meanwhile though i'm just using the somali We can see they used to be better looking Do these on average look incelish ? they good forward growth.Even the Masai tribes from 2 to 300 years ago Look at the forward growth he also seems to have a very visible zygos further leading to the credence harsher environment and very selective breeding leads to this leading me to believe every race seems to attractive features if grown right.
I do not think that forward growth is actually the indicator of chad attractiveness in general. What I mean is that orthognathic skull does not implicate recessed mandible, jaw or chin. If we look at reconstruction of palaeolithic European people most of them are of course orthognathic and very robust when we look at them from the front. And, they often did not have such "forward" growth" as Ethiopians posted here. I.e. famous skull from Oberkassell https://forums.skadi.net/threads/42040-Classify-Reconstruction The issue here is that these people are negroids from Ethiopia. They have prognathic skulls, but their chins are actually quite recessed (which is more primitive feature among the modern homo sapiens racial spectrum).
reptiles: When i mean harsher enviroment's that also means not living in society 1 has to simulate what our hunter gatherer life style was like like the masai a peasant society that lives in non traditional diets will off course will off course be reccessed.
To me it would appear every one has the potential to be gigachads i can only imagine what my ancestors looked like we will never be 1/10 of what they were
Well, you can go for paleolithic people reconstructions, but I would not say that super-robust cromagnid features would be consider super-attractive, actually when we look at the top-tier male models (Gandy, Barret, O'pry), they are actually a bit gracile (pretty-boyish)in some way, they do not have supper robust jaw and ultra masculine, unreduced cromagnid faces like Briann Stann or John Cena. I assume that being attractive is something more than just being unreduced cromagnid wheter it is dalofaelid or paleoatlantid, unreduced west-baltid or whatever.
T L D R: People before industrial era nutrition used to be more robust. Some populations from lower estates of pre-modern society used (on average) to be more reduced and shorter in looks than higher class (becasue many population went throught alpinisation/alpinizaton and baltisation/balticization processes becasue of bad living conditions), Europid are, on average, the most attractive on dating market.
Bold: reptiles
Italic: text from the articles and posts on other forums
Normal: mine
,,Racially progressive tendencies in a race are typically modern sapiens features. In this context I mean neomorphic, new features, which are both balanced, versatile, under as much conditions as possible advantageous and efficient. The new feature must be generally advantageous or at least not disadvantageous, neutral, if considering as much factors as possible, to be called progressive. Usually this tendencies are on line with the general trends of Hominisation, f.e. decrease of prognathy, prominence of the upper jaw, changes in the position of the foramen magnum and the form and position of the parietal bone etc."
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This is what Agrippa said. I assume it is mosltly based on environmental factors. I.e. Europids got for instance smaller teeth than negroids because of different diet through many millenia. This is probably also the reason behind the different skull shape in general.
reptiles: I mean this makes sense though if he already went in with the idea europoid skulls were the most advantageous we don't know but I have a hyposthsis the more strict the sexual competition is the harsher the enviroment is the more likely 1 is to produce gigachads
Interesting. Well. I think it depends on what do we think about "harsh" enviroment really. As far as I know the really harsh enviroment (which implicate worse food supply and worse living conditions in general) results actually in racial reduction. This is a theory how certain racial type were developed.
East Cromagnid - West Baltid - East Baltid
West Cromagnid and Paleoatlandtid - reduced cromagnid - Alpinid
It does not really mean there are no GIGACHADS in population living in harsher conditions, or general non-attracive males but i preindustiral society it was linked to social strata. The progressive racial elements (Nordid, Cromagnid) were more common in higher classes of the society i.e. nobility. While in lower clasess the more reduced, infantilized racial elements were more dominat.
Skadi Forum
Germanic Online Community. Securing Freedom, Social Justice and the Germanic Leitkultur.
forums.skadi.net
"Just imagine a group of Slavic peasants which had a percentage of just 10 percent Osteuropids, whereas the rest was Nordoid, Nordoid-Mediterranid and Nordoid-Cromagnid, like in most Indo-Europeans, for convenience and because that was dominant, let's just speak of Nordoid vs. Osteuropoid, like I. Schwidetzky did in her work about the ancient Slavs.
Now the peasantry became more and more dependent, sedentary and began to live more peacefully, yet in larger settlements, with worse hygiene, nutrition and more diseases.
Baltisation starts and certain traits which make up the Osteuropoid variant in comparison to the Nordoid are favoured. From one generation to the next, slowly but steadily, the Osteuropoid element proportions will grow, while the Nordoid will shrink.
Probably not even because the Nordoids have less children than they had before, but because the Osteuropoid HAVE EVEN MORE and even under deteriorating conditions!
So all of them would be, when the Nordoid would be only 50 percent and Osteuropoid 50 percent too, still be descendents of the very same people, just the racial proportions changed, because people with this traits (Osteuropoid) had more offspring relative to those with the other traits (Nordoid).
It is a change in the genpool which might not even be related in all instances to massive immigration, it is natural selection at work, just under unfavourable conditions in which the more frugale people which procreate faster under bad, but rather stable conditions, had the upper hand on the longer run, especially in the lower classes.
Some assume that the introduction of Christianity had an influence on this too, because now certain limitations to mixture and marriages etc. were lifted, while at the same time all people became subjugated as peasantry, with just the nobility being really free and old high level selection being at its end, because social success and positive risk taking, Idealism and group orientation might have been still important, especially for the group, but did no longer pay off biologically for the practising individuals!
So a sturdy, more cold resistent and frugal peasant type became more dominant, which is the classic Osteuropid, which descends from archaic hunters, fishers and gatherers of the North East, which became Finno-Ugrians at one point in prehistory, and Balticised and Slavicised later, which was the way they came into the Slavic populations genpool...
That process of Baltisation might be older though, since the Cromagnoid elements became more reduced and gracile over time, resulting without Mongoloid tendencies in Westbaltid and Baltid variants, with Mongoloid tendencies in Eastbaltids."
From this topic, probably the most interesting.
Interesting. Well. I think it depends on what do we think about "harsh" enviroment really. As far as I know the really harsh enviroment (which implicate worse food supply and worse living conditions in general) results actually in racial reduction. This is a theory how certain racial type were developed.
reptiles: It does reduce to racial reduction however strict sexual competition leads to desired feauters past down over thousands of years if you don't grow right you will look ugly we can compare a westerner today compared to their ancestors they look incels in comparison strict sexual competition leads to very desired features that become attractive it's why western faces perfer antes and chinese per say don't they have a similar version of the ante but ones with their own pheno types. I truly think anyone given the right environment and and diet could turn into a wider faced chad maybe not to western standard but by no means would they be ugly very few incels are found in traditional tribal areas meanwhile so many incel looking dudes can be found in normie area receding chins frauding bones.Why ? all this though cause they did not grow right i think the diet enviroment and strict sexual selection will lead chaddier faces or what you term progressive faces.
Well, it is true that diet that composed of easy to chew food in early years of a human being does have an impact on his skull growth but the impact of this diet just stunned the proper growth of certain population but this rather does not lead into a negative selection.
I remember photos done by some scientists in 20th century, he has done a comparison between people from cities on modern diet and common rural folk who got to chew a lot, the author and title are: Weston Price's "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" .
reptiles: I truly think anyone given the right environment and and diet could turn into a wider faced chad maybe not to western standard but by no means would they be ugly very few incels are found in traditional tribal areas meanwhile so many incel looking dudes can be found in normie area receding chins frauding bones. Why ? all this though cause they did not grow right i think the diet enviroment and strict sexual selection will lead chaddier faces or what you term progressive faces.
I do believe there are many factors that are causing this, some are these you just typed. Well progressive face also could be quite incelish. What I man is that there could be a Chad-looking human among various human phenotypes.
reptiles: Most nobility high classes tended to practice incest that goes agaist your thesis that gigachads would be of nobility.
Royal families throughout history were known for inbreeding...They wanted their lines to be pure royal so. What better way than to literally...
Incest Within Royal Families & Consanguinity Laws
Royal families throughout history were known for inbreeding...They wanted their lines to be pure royal so. What better way than to literally...
Well what you gave here is an example that involves the top-tier European monarch in post-medieval era. I do not deny the inbreediung was an issue among the high European aristocracy after medieval period (i.e. house of Habsburg) but this doesn't show us a large spectrum of noble class in general. What I mean was that upper-classes tend to be on average taller and rather unreduced racial features, because of more favourable living conditions, like access to resources and different way of selection, especially during the ages where higher-status warriors (i.e. ancient herder-warrior indo-Europeans) and then knights social estates where seriously involved into war as an active participants. Also this is visible in India where upper casts got more Europid and progressive features, this is also a thing when it comes to the Sikhs population - well known for their military traditions and fighting skill - who are on average taller than the common hindu people.
reptiles: meanwhile though i'm just using the somali We can see they used to be better looking Do these on average look incelish ? they good forward growth.Even the Masai tribes from 2 to 300 years ago Look at the forward growth he also seems to have a very visible zygos further leading to the credence harsher environment and very selective breeding leads to this leading me to believe every race seems to attractive features if grown right.
Masai - Old East Africa Postcards
Early pictures: Masai people. Men, warriors, women and children. Posing in groups. Manyattas. With shields, in traditional attire.
www.oldeastafricapostcards.com
I do not think that forward growth is actually the indicator of chad attractiveness in general. What I mean is that orthognathic skull does not implicate recessed mandible, jaw or chin. If we look at reconstruction of palaeolithic European people most of them are of course orthognathic and very robust when we look at them from the front. And, they often did not have such "forward" growth" as Ethiopians posted here. I.e. famous skull from Oberkassell https://forums.skadi.net/threads/42040-Classify-Reconstruction The issue here is that these people are negroids from Ethiopia. They have prognathic skulls, but their chins are actually quite recessed (which is more primitive feature among the modern homo sapiens racial spectrum).
reptiles: When i mean harsher enviroment's that also means not living in society 1 has to simulate what our hunter gatherer life style was like like the masai a peasant society that lives in non traditional diets will off course will off course be reccessed.
To me it would appear every one has the potential to be gigachads i can only imagine what my ancestors looked like we will never be 1/10 of what they were
Well, you can go for paleolithic people reconstructions, but I would not say that super-robust cromagnid features would be consider super-attractive, actually when we look at the top-tier male models (Gandy, Barret, O'pry), they are actually a bit gracile (pretty-boyish)in some way, they do not have supper robust jaw and ultra masculine, unreduced cromagnid faces like Briann Stann or John Cena. I assume that being attractive is something more than just being unreduced cromagnid wheter it is dalofaelid or paleoatlantid, unreduced west-baltid or whatever.
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