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[Baldingman1998]

Yeah there was some who ruled Morocco and Libya. There was some black pharaohs in Egypt also.

BULLSHIT

 

[TsarTsar444]

The Nubians and Ethiopians was the only people in the world at that time to defeat the Romans in battle also. I think the Romans even respected these Africans the most

Yeah i know you are just larping now jfl

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Yeah i know you are just larping now jfl

Dude how is that a larp it’s historical fact that the Romans couldn’t conquer Nubia or Ethiopia. You can literally look this up

 

[Deleted member 14455]

Romans considered everything non-roman to be subhuman barbarians

They still had massive respect for great battles and foreign great generals.

 

[johncruz12345]

Dude how is that a larp it’s historical fact that the Romans couldn’t conquer Nubia or Ethiopia. You can literally look this up

I'm pretty sure they could if they wanted to

 

[Deleted member 14166]

They still had massive respect for great battles and foreign great generals.

romans were op

 

[TsarTsar444]

Dude how is that a larp it’s historical fact that the Romans couldn’t conquer Nubia or Ethiopia. You can literally look this up

There are almost no sources on Roman and Nubian interactions much, the only sources that talk about it say that the Nubians conquered a city in lower Egypt and then the Romans retaliated and defeated them regaining the majority of lost statues, then they possibly made them a client state and traded with.
They were defeated in battle, but not annexed.
Besides Germans and Persians defeated the Romans before muh Nubians did

 

[Deleted member 14455]

romans were op

Yes, even tho early on Hannibal could finish them but didn't enter the gates (easily could) for whatever reason

 

[Deleted member 5802]

There are almost no sources on Roman and Nubian interactions much, the only sources that talk about it say that the Nubians conquered a city in lower Egypt and then the Romans retaliated and defeated them regaining the majority of lost statues, then they possibly made them a client state and traded with.
They were defeated in battle, but not annexed.
Besides Germans and Persians defeated the Romans before muh Nubians did

Not exactly

“Rome and Kush agreed to a peace treaty in 22 B.C.E. The agreement meant that the Kushites kept all of their territory. The Romans also took their army out of Egypt. Kush did not pay tribute or send any resources to Rome, unlike other nation's along the empire's border.”

If the Romans defeated the nubains fair and square why did they agree on a peace treaty and why did Rome give back Nubians Territories. Seriously Nubia was just lower Egypt. It’s obvious that the Romans were unable to conquer Nubia

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

isolated cases

Spoiler

In 2003, Shaykh Saleh Al-Fawzan, a member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious body, the Senior Council of Clerics, issued a fatwa claiming "Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam." Muslim scholars who said otherwise were "infidels". In 2016, Shaykh al-Fawzan responded to a question about taking Yazidi women as sex slaves by reiterating that "Enslaving women in war is not prohibited in Islam", he added that those who forbid enslavement are either "ignorant or infidel".

 

[Baldingman1998]

Yeah there was some who ruled Morocco and Libya. There was some black pharaohs in Egypt also.

Bro none of the Arabs even visited any part of Africa. Most of that was just them assuming. Most of those savage African stereotypes came from other Africans to stop more trade in Southern Africa. The only people who visited Africa always said positive things about it.

I trust the people who actually visited over the others who are bias and just go off rumors

Wow I can’t believe you actually knew that. Yeah some Africans did rule a massive kingdom in India at one point

So did the Africans they are both enslaving each other at that time a few African kingdoms had a whole bunch of Arab slaves. All parties in the slave trade are equally responsible

Though the Europeans did install and introduce some technology into Africa they still severely reduced and did a lot to prevent Africa from developing. From the Congo genocide to the Namibian genocide to the 50 leaders in Africa killed. I think the Europeans did major damage to Africa that the continent is still paying for to this very day

Muslims are no better tbh but a least they didn’t conquer and entire continent and force them to learn a new language. Most of the Africans converting to Islam was a very peaceful transaction

 

[Yuya Moggershima]

Once again we proved that racebaits are what keep this forum alive

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

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Spoiler

In 2003, Shaykh Saleh Al-Fawzan, a member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious body, the Senior Council of Clerics, issued a fatwa claiming "Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam." Muslim scholars who said otherwise were "infidels". In 2016, Shaykh al-Fawzan responded to a question about taking Yazidi women as sex slaves by reiterating that "Enslaving women in war is not prohibited in Islam", he added that those who forbid enslavement are either "ignorant or infidel".

Wasn't you a christian?
Let us compare Islamic slavery with Judeo Christian slavery and by the way, don't bring me Al Fawzan like if he is the ultimate authority. I can bring you scholars more reputed from the past saying the contrary.

The concept of slavery in Islam is completely different from that of Judaism, Christianity, the western one and the ones of the rest of the world, including the arab world, which, in the vast majority of cases, are completely immoral.

First, The Prophet warned us that Allah will punish those who enslaved free people on the Day of Resurrection, essentially prohibiting the racial slave trade that was fueled by kidnapping, and only allowing to enslave captives of war after they were defeated, which, on the other hand was the most merciful response since the alternatives were either executing them, exchanging them with the enemy for muslim slaves or letting them go and allow them to counter-attack on the future.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: 'Allah will oppose a man who sells a free person and consumes the price.'

Second, in Islam it is completely prohibited to beat or hurt a slave by direct orders of the Last Messenger of Allah, Muhammad: Zadhan Abl Umar reported: I came to Ibn 'Umar as he had granted freedom to a slave. He (the narrator further) said: He took hold of a wood or something like it from the earth and said: It (freedom of a slave) has not the reward evert equal to it, but the fact that I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say: "He who slaps his slave or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free."
This hadith (narration) has been also narrated through another chain of transmitters.

Suwaid ibn Muqarrin reported: Did you not know that it is forbidden to strike the face? I was the seventh of my brothers during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessing be upon him, and we had only one servant. One of us became enraged and slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to set him free.

And Ammar ibn Yasir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "None of you strikes his slave unjustly except that the slave will be granted retaliation on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him. I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire.

Also adding to all of this, Allah in Al Qur'an is constantly encouraging the believers to free slaves (interpretation of the meaning): 'Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves;'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'And what may let you know what the good way is? Freeing slaves is the good way, or giving food on a day of hunger'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'Those of you who say such a thing to their wives, then go back on what they have said, must free a slave before the couple may touch one another again––this is what you are commanded to do, and God is fully aware of what you do––'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'The Sadaqāt (prescribed alms) are (meant) only to be given to the poor, the needy, to those employed to collect them, to those whose hearts are to be won, in the cause of the slaves and those encumbered with debt, in the way of Allah and to a wayfarer. This is an obligation prescribed by Allah. Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.'

And another one (interpretation of the meaning): 'Serve Allah . . . and do good - to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, neighbors who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (you meet), and what your right hands possess [i.e. your slaves]'

The Last Prophet of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered good treatment and kindness to the believers in regards to their servants: Ma’rur ibn Suwaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him."

The Messenger of Allah said something similar according to other narration: "Feed them from the same food you eat and clothe them from the same clothes you wear, and do not torture the creation of Allah the Exalted."

Abu Musa Al-Ashari reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Feed the hungry, visit the sick, and set the captives free."

A man who served for the Last Prophet of Allah said: "I served the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, for ten years. By Allah, he never even said a mild rebuke to me and he never said harshly for anything: Why did you do that? Why did you not do that?"

Also, in Islam, the slave not only has tremendous rights which definetly surpass those of any other culture and is bound to be freed, he also has the God given right to buy his freedom, The One and Only Creator has clearly ordered to the one who has slaves in Al Qur'an (interpretation of the meaning): 'And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know any good in them; yes, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you.'


There are two contentions, first, does Islam allow sex with slaves like judeochristianity? Yes, but, contrary to those religions, you have to have the permission of the woman, otherwise you can't.

Second, there are two hadiths in which two poor persons tried to free a slave and the Prophet didn't allow it: The answer is simple, they had debts to pay which is an islamic duty and they had to collect money by any means to do so, so the Prophet didn't allow them to free the slaves until they were debt free (one of them i think it wasn't because of debt, but because she was plain poor and didn't have no one).

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

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Spoiler

In 2003, Shaykh Saleh Al-Fawzan, a member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious body, the Senior Council of Clerics, issued a fatwa claiming "Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam." Muslim scholars who said otherwise were "infidels". In 2016, Shaykh al-Fawzan responded to a question about taking Yazidi women as sex slaves by reiterating that "Enslaving women in war is not prohibited in Islam", he added that those who forbid enslavement are either "ignorant or infidel".

The Bible permits the beating of slaves in many verses, like for example this one in Exodus 21: 20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

This is also to be found in the New Testament, Luke 12: 47-48
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

Same with the selling of slaves according to Exodus 21: 7
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Leviticus 25: 44
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property."

There is also the famous verse of
Numbers 31: 17-18 which orders the slavery and rape of the female children of the Amalakites:
"Now kill all of the boys of the males and kill every woman who has known sexual relations of males. And every female child of women that has not known sexual relations of males save for yourselves."

Leviticus 19: 20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;"

The authors of the Bible for some reason put special emphasis in the obedience the slave must have towards his master and the rights of the master over the slave, while it barely speaks about the rights of the slave.

Peter 2: 18
"Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust."

Titus 2: 9-10
"Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior."

Colossians 3: 22-24
"Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

We could go on all day with these kind of verses.

There are weak recent christian allegations that the Bible was somehow at the end of the book promoting slowly the abolishment of slavery, claims which are easily disproven since it is a position that almost no christian scholars held before the 18-19th century.

Let us analyze for example this verse in Galatians 5: 1
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."

First and foremost these are words of Paul, not of Jesus, therefore their reliability is that of a potatoe since Paul was a man admonished and condemned by the own companions of Jesus, and also Paul himself gave orders to slaves in many verses on his writings. Second, this verse in complete context is referring as "slavery" to the laws of the Jews since supposedly, Paul was addressing some people and a group of Jews came and told them that they need to be circumcised, the next verse (Galatians 5: 2) says: "Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all."

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

The Bible permits the beating of slaves in many verses, like for example this one in Exodus 21: 20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

This is also to be found in the New Testament, Luke 12: 47-48
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

Same with the selling of slaves according to Exodus 21: 7
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Leviticus 25: 44
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property."

There is also the famous verse of
Numbers 31: 17-18 which orders the slavery and rape of the female children of the Amalakites:
"Now kill all of the boys of the males and kill every woman who has known sexual relations of males. And every female child of women that has not known sexual relations of males save for yourselves."

Leviticus 19: 20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;"

The authors of the Bible for some reason put special emphasis in the obedience the slave must have towards his master and the rights of the master over the slave, while it barely speaks about the rights of the slave.

Peter 2: 18
"Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust."

Titus 2: 9-10
"Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior."

Colossians 3: 22-24
"Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

We could go on all day with these kind of verses.

There are weak recent christian allegations that the Bible was somehow at the end of the book promoting slowly the abolishment of slavery, claims which are easily disproven since it is a position that almost no christian scholars held before the 18-19th century.

Let us analyze for example this verse in Galatians 5: 1
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."

First and foremost these are words of Paul, not of Jesus, therefore their reliability is that of a potatoe since Paul was a man admonished and condemned by the own companions of Jesus, and also Paul himself gave orders to slaves in many verses on his writings. Second, this verse in complete context is referring as "slavery" to the laws of the Jews since supposedly, Paul was addressing some people and a group of Jews came and told them that they need to be circumcised, the next verse (Galatians 5: 2) says: "Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all."

 

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Yup of course the racists here have to show up

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

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You don't need to remind us your double standards, we know how coward you people are in regards to sincerity.

 

[Deleted member 14166]

Wasn't you a christian?
Let us compare Islamic slavery with Judeo Christian slavery and by the way, don't bring me Al Fawzan like if he is the ultimate authority. I can bring you scholars more reputed from the past saying the contrary.

The concept of slavery in Islam is completely different from that of Judaism, Christianity, the western one and the ones of the rest of the world, including the arab world, which, in the vast majority of cases, are completely immoral.

First, The Prophet warned us that Allah will punish those who enslaved free people on the Day of Resurrection, essentially prohibiting the racial slave trade that was fueled by kidnapping, and only allowing to enslave captives of war after they were defeated, which, on the other hand was the most merciful response since the alternatives were either executing them, exchanging them with the enemy for muslim slaves or letting them go and allow them to counter-attack on the future.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: 'Allah will oppose a man who sells a free person and consumes the price.'

Second, in Islam it is completely prohibited to beat or hurt a slave by direct orders of the Last Messenger of Allah, Muhammad: Zadhan Abl Umar reported: I came to Ibn 'Umar as he had granted freedom to a slave. He (the narrator further) said: He took hold of a wood or something like it from the earth and said: It (freedom of a slave) has not the reward evert equal to it, but the fact that I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say: "He who slaps his slave or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free."
This hadith (narration) has been also narrated through another chain of transmitters.

Suwaid ibn Muqarrin reported: Did you not know that it is forbidden to strike the face? I was the seventh of my brothers during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessing be upon him, and we had only one servant. One of us became enraged and slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to set him free.

And Ammar ibn Yasir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "None of you strikes his slave unjustly except that the slave will be granted retaliation on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him. I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire.

Also adding to all of this, Allah in Al Qur'an is constantly encouraging the believers to free slaves (interpretation of the meaning): 'Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves;'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'And what may let you know what the good way is? Freeing slaves is the good way, or giving food on a day of hunger'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'Those of you who say such a thing to their wives, then go back on what they have said, must free a slave before the couple may touch one another again––this is what you are commanded to do, and God is fully aware of what you do––'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'The Sadaqāt (prescribed alms) are (meant) only to be given to the poor, the needy, to those employed to collect them, to those whose hearts are to be won, in the cause of the slaves and those encumbered with debt, in the way of Allah and to a wayfarer. This is an obligation prescribed by Allah. Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.'

And another one (interpretation of the meaning): 'Serve Allah . . . and do good - to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, neighbors who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (you meet), and what your right hands possess [i.e. your slaves]'

The Last Prophet of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered good treatment and kindness to the believers in regards to their servants: Ma’rur ibn Suwaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him."

The Messenger of Allah said something similar according to other narration: "Feed them from the same food you eat and clothe them from the same clothes you wear, and do not torture the creation of Allah the Exalted."

Abu Musa Al-Ashari reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Feed the hungry, visit the sick, and set the captives free."

A man who served for the Last Prophet of Allah said: "I served the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, for ten years. By Allah, he never even said a mild rebuke to me and he never said harshly for anything: Why did you do that? Why did you not do that?"

Also, in Islam, the slave not only has tremendous rights which definetly surpass those of any other culture and is bound to be freed, he also has the God given right to buy his freedom, The One and Only Creator has clearly ordered to the one who has slaves in Al Qur'an (interpretation of the meaning): 'And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know any good in them; yes, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you.'


There are two contentions, first, does Islam allow sex with slaves like judeochristianity? Yes, but, contrary to those religions, you have to have the permission of the woman, otherwise you can't.

Second, there are two hadiths in which two poor persons tried to free a slave and the Prophet didn't allow it: The answer is simple, they had debts to pay which is an islamic duty and they had to collect money by any means to do so, so the Prophet didn't allow them to free the slaves until they were debt free (one of them i think it wasn't because of debt, but because she was plain poor and didn't have no one).

Wasn't you a christian?
Let us compare Islamic slavery with Judeo Christian slavery and by the way, don't bring me Al Fawzan like if he is the ultimate authority. I can bring you scholars more reputed from the past saying the contrary.

The concept of slavery in Islam is completely different from that of Judaism, Christianity, the western one and the ones of the rest of the world, including the arab world, which, in the vast majority of cases, are completely immoral.

First, The Prophet warned us that Allah will punish those who enslaved free people on the Day of Resurrection, essentially prohibiting the racial slave trade that was fueled by kidnapping, and only allowing to enslave captives of war after they were defeated, which, on the other hand was the most merciful response since the alternatives were either executing them, exchanging them with the enemy for muslim slaves or letting them go and allow them to counter-attack on the future.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: 'Allah will oppose a man who sells a free person and consumes the price.'

Second, in Islam it is completely prohibited to beat or hurt a slave by direct orders of the Last Messenger of Allah, Muhammad: Zadhan Abl Umar reported: I came to Ibn 'Umar as he had granted freedom to a slave. He (the narrator further) said: He took hold of a wood or something like it from the earth and said: It (freedom of a slave) has not the reward evert equal to it, but the fact that I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say: "He who slaps his slave or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free."
This hadith (narration) has been also narrated through another chain of transmitters.

Suwaid ibn Muqarrin reported: Did you not know that it is forbidden to strike the face? I was the seventh of my brothers during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessing be upon him, and we had only one servant. One of us became enraged and slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to set him free.

And Ammar ibn Yasir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "None of you strikes his slave unjustly except that the slave will be granted retaliation on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him. I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire.

Also adding to all of this, Allah in Al Qur'an is constantly encouraging the believers to free slaves (interpretation of the meaning): 'Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves;'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'And what may let you know what the good way is? Freeing slaves is the good way, or giving food on a day of hunger'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'Those of you who say such a thing to their wives, then go back on what they have said, must free a slave before the couple may touch one another again––this is what you are commanded to do, and God is fully aware of what you do––'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'The Sadaqāt (prescribed alms) are (meant) only to be given to the poor, the needy, to those employed to collect them, to those whose hearts are to be won, in the cause of the slaves and those encumbered with debt, in the way of Allah and to a wayfarer. This is an obligation prescribed by Allah. Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.'

And another one (interpretation of the meaning): 'Serve Allah . . . and do good - to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, neighbors who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (you meet), and what your right hands possess [i.e. your slaves]'

The Last Prophet of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered good treatment and kindness to the believers in regards to their servants: Ma’rur ibn Suwaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him."

The Messenger of Allah said something similar according to other narration: "Feed them from the same food you eat and clothe them from the same clothes you wear, and do not torture the creation of Allah the Exalted."

Abu Musa Al-Ashari reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Feed the hungry, visit the sick, and set the captives free."

A man who served for the Last Prophet of Allah said: "I served the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, for ten years. By Allah, he never even said a mild rebuke to me and he never said harshly for anything: Why did you do that? Why did you not do that?"

Also, in Islam, the slave not only has tremendous rights which definetly surpass those of any other culture and is bound to be freed, he also has the God given right to buy his freedom, The One and Only Creator has clearly ordered to the one who has slaves in Al Qur'an (interpretation of the meaning): 'And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know any good in them; yes, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you.'


There are two contentions, first, does Islam allow sex with slaves like judeochristianity? Yes, but, contrary to those religions, you have to have the permission of the woman, otherwise you can't.

Second, there are two hadiths in which two poor persons tried to free a slave and the Prophet didn't allow it: The answer is simple, they had debts to pay which is an islamic duty and they had to collect money by any means to do so, so the Prophet didn't allow them to free the slaves until they were debt free (one of them i think it wasn't because of debt, but because she was plain poor and didn't have no one).

The Bible permits the beating of slaves in many verses, like for example this one in Exodus 21: 20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

This is also to be found in the New Testament, Luke 12: 47-48
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

Same with the selling of slaves according to Exodus 21: 7
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Leviticus 25: 44
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property."

There is also the famous verse of
Numbers 31: 17-18 which orders the slavery and rape of the female children of the Amalakites:
"Now kill all of the boys of the males and kill every woman who has known sexual relations of males. And every female child of women that has not known sexual relations of males save for yourselves."

Leviticus 19: 20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;"

The authors of the Bible for some reason put special emphasis in the obedience the slave must have towards his master and the rights of the master over the slave, while it barely speaks about the rights of the slave.

Peter 2: 18
"Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust."

Titus 2: 9-10
"Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior."

Colossians 3: 22-24
"Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

We could go on all day with these kind of verses.

There are weak recent christian allegations that the Bible was somehow at the end of the book promoting slowly the abolishment of slavery, claims which are easily disproven since it is a position that almost no christian scholars held before the 18-19th century.

Let us analyze for example this verse in Galatians 5: 1
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."

First and foremost these are words of Paul, not of Jesus, therefore their reliability is that of a potatoe since Paul was a man admonished and condemned by the own companions of Jesus, and also Paul himself gave orders to slaves in many verses on his writings. Second, this verse in complete context is referring as "slavery" to the laws of the Jews since supposedly, Paul was addressing some people and a group of Jews came and told them that they need to be circumcised, the next verse (Galatians 5: 2) says: "Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all."

perfect annecdote to what i was saying earlier

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

perfect annecdote to what i was saying earlier

What is the matter? Is it bad to defend one's beliefs? Ask nationalists how they did it in WW1-WW2, and same to atheist societies.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Wasn't you a christian?
Let us compare Islamic slavery with Judeo Christian slavery and by the way, don't bring me Al Fawzan like if he is the ultimate authority. I can bring you scholars more reputed from the past saying the contrary.

The concept of slavery in Islam is completely different from that of Judaism, Christianity, the western one and the ones of the rest of the world, including the arab world, which, in the vast majority of cases, are completely immoral.

First, The Prophet warned us that Allah will punish those who enslaved free people on the Day of Resurrection, essentially prohibiting the racial slave trade that was fueled by kidnapping, and only allowing to enslave captives of war after they were defeated, which, on the other hand was the most merciful response since the alternatives were either executing them, exchanging them with the enemy for muslim slaves or letting them go and allow them to counter-attack on the future.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: 'Allah will oppose a man who sells a free person and consumes the price.'

Second, in Islam it is completely prohibited to beat or hurt a slave by direct orders of the Last Messenger of Allah, Muhammad: Zadhan Abl Umar reported: I came to Ibn 'Umar as he had granted freedom to a slave. He (the narrator further) said: He took hold of a wood or something like it from the earth and said: It (freedom of a slave) has not the reward evert equal to it, but the fact that I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say: "He who slaps his slave or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free."
This hadith (narration) has been also narrated through another chain of transmitters.

Suwaid ibn Muqarrin reported: Did you not know that it is forbidden to strike the face? I was the seventh of my brothers during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessing be upon him, and we had only one servant. One of us became enraged and slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to set him free.

And Ammar ibn Yasir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "None of you strikes his slave unjustly except that the slave will be granted retaliation on the Day of Resurrection."

Abu Mas’ud reported: I was beating a boy of mine when I heard a voice from behind me: Know, O Abu Mas’ud, that Allah has more power over you than you have over him. I turned around and it was the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I said, “O Messenger of Allah, I have freed him for the sake of Allah.” The Prophet said: If you had not done so, you would have been burnt in the Hellfire.

Also adding to all of this, Allah in Al Qur'an is constantly encouraging the believers to free slaves (interpretation of the meaning): 'Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves;'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'And what may let you know what the good way is? Freeing slaves is the good way, or giving food on a day of hunger'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'Those of you who say such a thing to their wives, then go back on what they have said, must free a slave before the couple may touch one another again––this is what you are commanded to do, and God is fully aware of what you do––'

Another verse (interpretation of the meaning): 'The Sadaqāt (prescribed alms) are (meant) only to be given to the poor, the needy, to those employed to collect them, to those whose hearts are to be won, in the cause of the slaves and those encumbered with debt, in the way of Allah and to a wayfarer. This is an obligation prescribed by Allah. Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.'

And another one (interpretation of the meaning): 'Serve Allah . . . and do good - to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, neighbors who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (you meet), and what your right hands possess [i.e. your slaves]'

The Last Prophet of Allah (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered good treatment and kindness to the believers in regards to their servants: Ma’rur ibn Suwaid reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Your slaves are your brothers. Allah has placed them in your hand, and he who has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and do not burden him beyond his capacity, and if you burden him then help him."

The Messenger of Allah said something similar according to other narration: "Feed them from the same food you eat and clothe them from the same clothes you wear, and do not torture the creation of Allah the Exalted."

Abu Musa Al-Ashari reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Feed the hungry, visit the sick, and set the captives free."

A man who served for the Last Prophet of Allah said: "I served the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, for ten years. By Allah, he never even said a mild rebuke to me and he never said harshly for anything: Why did you do that? Why did you not do that?"

Also, in Islam, the slave not only has tremendous rights which definetly surpass those of any other culture and is bound to be freed, he also has the God given right to buy his freedom, The One and Only Creator has clearly ordered to the one who has slaves in Al Qur'an (interpretation of the meaning): 'And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know any good in them; yes, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you.'


There are two contentions, first, does Islam allow sex with slaves like judeochristianity? Yes, but, contrary to those religions, you have to have the permission of the woman, otherwise you can't.

Second, there are two hadiths in which two poor persons tried to free a slave and the Prophet didn't allow it: The answer is simple, they had debts to pay which is an islamic duty and they had to collect money by any means to do so, so the Prophet didn't allow them to free the slaves until they were debt free (one of them i think it wasn't because of debt, but because she was plain poor and didn't have no one).

The Bible permits the beating of slaves in many verses, like for example this one in Exodus 21: 20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

This is also to be found in the New Testament, Luke 12: 47-48
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."

Same with the selling of slaves according to Exodus 21: 7
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Leviticus 25: 44
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property."

There is also the famous verse of
Numbers 31: 17-18 which orders the slavery and rape of the female children of the Amalakites:
"Now kill all of the boys of the males and kill every woman who has known sexual relations of males. And every female child of women that has not known sexual relations of males save for yourselves."

Leviticus 19: 20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free;"

The authors of the Bible for some reason put special emphasis in the obedience the slave must have towards his master and the rights of the master over the slave, while it barely speaks about the rights of the slave.

Peter 2: 18
"Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust."

Titus 2: 9-10
"Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior."

Colossians 3: 22-24
"Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

We could go on all day with these kind of verses.

There are weak recent christian allegations that the Bible was somehow at the end of the book promoting slowly the abolishment of slavery, claims which are easily disproven since it is a position that almost no christian scholars held before the 18-19th century.

Let us analyze for example this verse in Galatians 5: 1
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."

First and foremost these are words of Paul, not of Jesus, therefore their reliability is that of a potatoe since Paul was a man admonished and condemned by the own companions of Jesus, and also Paul himself gave orders to slaves in many verses on his writings. Second, this verse in complete context is referring as "slavery" to the laws of the Jews since supposedly, Paul was addressing some people and a group of Jews came and told them that they need to be circumcised, the next verse (Galatians 5: 2) says: "Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all."

Bro this is an incel forum. Stop writing essays. Slavery is real In islam. Maybe it's slavery for God and not slavery to a human like the slavery in the west. But what if someone doesn't believe in God? Then it's the same thing

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

You don't need to remind us your double standards, we know how coward you people are in regards to sincerity.

I don't really care what's written in storybooks bro.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Yup of course the racists here have to show up

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Bro this is an incel forum. Stop writing essays. Slavery is real In islam. Maybe it's slavery for God and not slavery to a human like the slavery in the west. But what if someone doesn't believe in God? Then it's the same thing

Ya Lubnani, i just like to practice here to be honest from time to time.

What do you mean slavery for God? Slavery is slavery, no one denies that.

 

[Deleted member 5802]

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Keep coping with with regurgitated meme seriously it’s the same unfunny shit

 

[Baldingman1998]

Ya Lubnani, i just like to practice here to be honest from time to time.

What do you mean slavery for God? Slavery is slavery, no one denies that.

I mean like being dedicated to god. Not like slavery like in USA etc. 3abd ALLAH that's even an arabic name

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I don't really care what's written in storybooks bro.

Yeah, well those books are the basis of islamic morality, western morality and african morality.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Keep coping with with regurgitated meme seriously it’s the same unfunny shit

Stop Coping. Egyptians were never africans and no Egyptian Pharaoh was ever african.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I mean like being dedicated to god. Not like slavery like in USA etc. 3abd ALLAH that's even an arabic name

Ahhhh, so you say Slavery Fisabillilah.

Ya3ni n3am, i mean, it was just necessary at the time. I don't say it is justified just because it is Fisabillilah (i'm definetly not against it by the way and every historian virtually would agree), what i'm saying is that the concept of Islamic slavery was much more merciful than the one of their rivals in a time in which slavery was necessary to survive.

 

[Baldingman1998]

I don't really care what's written in storybooks bro.

How dare you

I read Narnia and you can't tell me it's not real

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Stop Coping. Egyptians were never africans and no Egyptian Pharaoh was ever african.

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My guy Egyptians are Africans what are you talking about? Black Nubians conquer Egypt and ran it for 100 years

Twenty-fifth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Baldingman1998]

My guy Egyptians are Africans what are you talking about? Black Nubians conquer Egypt and ran it for 100 years

Twenty-fifth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That doesn't mean they were egyptian. It just means they took over for a while

 

[Deleted member 5802]

That doesn't mean they were egyptian. It just means they took over for a while

You said that no black African who ever ruled Egypt.
Egyptians and Nubians genetically are the same people. Egyptians are just as African as an Ethiopian

 

[Beetlejuice]

Lol

 

[lutte]

The Nubians and Ethiopians was the only people in the world at that time to defeat the Romans in battle also. I think the Romans even respected these Africans the most

germanix

 

[Deleted member 756]

Nice