Soon to be skincare items (any thoughts?)

[plsssvemelmao]

In order 2x a day.
1.Cerave cleaner
2.BodyJ4You castor oil
3.The ordinary ascorbyl glycoside 12% vitamin c serum
4.Cerave moisturizer
5.Mineral sunscreen spf 30 tinted mineral.

 

[iblameccwr]

In order 2x a day.
1.Cerave cleaner
2.BodyJ4You castor oil
3.The ordinary ascorbyl glycoside 12% vitamin c serum
4.Cerave moisturizer
5.Mineral sunscreen spf 30 tinted mineral.

isotret

 

[ridgew00d]

add hydrocortisone or isotret

 

[Orka]

In order 2x a day.
1.Cerave cleaner
2.BodyJ4You castor oil
3.The ordinary ascorbyl glycoside 12% vitamin c serum
4.Cerave moisturizer
5.Mineral sunscreen spf 30 tinted mineral.

1st pic made me think of @Jattdontcare

 

[swaggers]

In order 2x a day.
1.Cerave cleaner
2.BodyJ4You castor oil
3.The ordinary ascorbyl glycoside 12% vitamin c serum
4.Cerave moisturizer
5.Mineral sunscreen spf 30 tinted mineral.

U dont need isotret

Normal tret will work fine

 

[savage21]

1st pic made me think of @Jattdontcare

“I’m leaving org for a year” ahh pfp

 

[Jattdontcare]

1st pic made me think of @Jattdontcare

Dam he ugly as hell just like me

 

[Orka]

Dam he ugly as hell just like me

No you mog him to death

 

[VampyrMaxx]

just have a good diet and get sunlight

.................................................................................................................................................. dont put that shit on your skin and it doesnt work

 

[Orka]

just have a good diet and get sunlight

.................................................................................................................................................. dont put that shit on your skin and it doesnt work

Every time I click "show ignored content" I'm pleasantly reminded why I have you on my ignore list

@BigBallsLarry @Insomnia @Bryce @aids

 

[harry12]

Honestly tanning is probably the best thing for ur skin to clear up, I started using sunbeds 4 years ago and haven’t had a spot since (obviously very risky) I used to go like 3 times a week and was very dark but now I’ll go every couple weeks occasionally every week

 

[harry12]

I also recommend using a toner before ur skin care it helps absorb it into ur skin more

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Every time I click "show ignored content" I'm pleasantly reminded why I have you on my ignore list

@BigBallsLarry @Insomnia @Bryce @aids

you faggot if you fix your gut microbiome, youll fix your skin

@Hernan ngl, some ppl will just never understand

 

[Orka]

just have a good diet and get sunlight

.................................................................................................................................................. dont put that shit on your skin and it doesnt work

Nevermind, I take back what I said, I thought you were dismissing isotret and tret, but yes the stuff OP is using is garbage.

 

[HundredManSlayer]

skincare is the least of your issues right now

 

[plsssvemelmao]

Nevermind, I take back what I said, I thought you were dismissing isotret and tret, but yes the stuff OP is using is garbage.

what do you recommend doing in place

 

[Orka]

you faggot if you fix your gut microbiome, youll fix your skin

@Hernan ngl, some ppl will just never understand

Your point is valid for this user and this user alone, but saying diet will fix your skin is an uneducated take and can be grouped with the raw meat enthusiasts (retards)

 

[plsssvemelmao]

skincare is the least of your issues right now

what do you suppose

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Nevermind, I take back what I said, I thought you were dismissing isotret and tret, but yes the stuff OP is using is garbage.

using cleanser didnt work on my skin, and it turned it dry af

as compared to hopping on carnivore (0 sugar) and staying in sunlight as much as I want without getting burnt

 

[Orka]

what do you recommend doing in place

Your skin is fine as it is, i'd suggest you focus on literally anything else

 

[plsssvemelmao]

just have a good diet and get sunlight

.................................................................................................................................................. dont put that shit on your skin and it doesnt work

but doesnt castor oil grow eyebrows

 

[BigBallsLarry]

Nevermind, I take back what I said, I thought you were dismissing isotret and tret, but yes the stuff OP is using is garbage.

Even if it wasn't garbage, from my experience, fixing my gut and diet has done wonders to my skin that no skincare ever could.

I experimented with skincare products, korean bullshit and all of that for years, never had clear skin untill i pefectly cleared my diet.

 

[HundredManSlayer]

what do you suppose

surgery

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Even if it wasn't garbage, from my experience, fixing my gut and diet has done wonders to my skin that no skincare ever could.

I experimented with skincare products, korean bullshit and all of that for years, never had clear skin untill i pefectly cleared my diet.

exactly idk what the fucking idiot was trying to get at.

If you stop putting toxins into your body, your skin will clear. Simple af, people calling carnivore stupid with no proof will always piss me off

 

[Orka]

Even if it wasn't garbage, from my experience, fixing my gut and diet has done wonders to my skin that no skincare ever could.

I experimented with skincare products, korean bullshit and all of that for years, never had clear skin untill i pefectly cleared my diet.

What retinoids did you experiment with?

Obviously if you eat candy your skin will be shit, but fixing diet alone won't fix your skin. If you didn't use isotret then there was no purpose in your experiments

 

[mltn2mtn]

what do you recommend doing in place

not even trying to be mean but you have to hardmax if you want to make it out of ltn. Your eye area seems alr js camera distorted, and you have a longer face. You would need a rhinoplasty first cuz thats worse than ur two recessions, then you would need a bimax im pretty sure, or lefort w a genioplasty.

 

[Orka]

exactly idk what the fucking idiot was trying to get at.

If you stop putting toxins into your body, your skin will clear. Simple af, people calling carnivore stupid with no proof will always piss me off

oh wow you do carnivore, not even raw meat

possibly one of the stupidest users on here, it's not as simple as that. your skin will get clearER, not clear, you seriously think that a trillion dollar skincare industry could be set aside by saying "eat just red meats bro!!"

wait till you find out about any kind of acne

 

[VampyrMaxx]

oh wow you do carnivore, not even raw meat

possibly one of the stupidest users on here, it's not as simple as that. your skin will get clearER, not clear, you seriously think that a trillion dollar skincare industry could be set aside by saying "eat just red meats bro!!"

wait till you find out about any kind of acne

I do raw carnicore. I eat muscle meat, fat, organs, and drink blood.

You fucking idiot. The skincare industry creates products to cover up the toxicity coming out of your skin.

Itll take a while for the skin to become fully optimal but once it does, itll mog any skincare routine.

It does become mostly clear, it just takes a while

 

[Orka]

Itll take a while for the skin to become fully optimal but once it does, itll mog any skincare routine.

It does become mostly clear, it just takes a while

The mostly clear skin in question:

I do raw carnicore

Never been more over ngl.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

The mostly clear skin in question:

Never been more over ngl.

Im getting pissed off.

Give an argument against it or stfu

 

[Orka]

Im getting pissed off.

Follow the words of your master & don't stress yourself out dude... that's like... not natural n shietttt

Give an argument against it or stfu

The last time I argued with you, you were CONVINCED you could measure something in centimeters... digitally....without something to confirm..... and that went on for 4 pages, You're clearly in the lowest category of intellect.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Follow the words of your master & don't stress yourself out dude... that's like... not natural n shietttt

Ok have a good day

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Follow the words of your master & don't stress yourself out dude... that's like... not natural n shietttt

Average carnivore transformation



1) A perfect skull exists which is koiniphilic and dimorphic
2) If the size is too big or too small, its not good, so there must be a perfect skull size
3) The eyeball is the same size in healthy humans
4) Features and measurements perception do not affect each other; they should be proportional in comparision to the eyeball
5) there exists an ideal eyeball to cranium size ratio
6) no matter the skull size no one looks ideal without a 65mm IPD; proof is Jared Padelecki
7) Measurwments do not affect each other. For example nose to mouth is ideally 1.5 according to some people. Does that mean if I have a perfect nose and i make it more narrow, that I should also make the mouth more narrow? Really think about this concept, you will realize the measurements of the ratios are what make someone attractive. Aka the features
8) Ratios can matter but only in unideal circumstanes. For example a big skull can support a wide IPD, which can look decent, but it will never be better than a 65mm IPD 14.3cm BZW skull. Or if you have a wide IPD and want epicanthal folds, it could look aesthetic also, just wont look perfect.

Read my thread again if you want clarification. It was not gpt i used it to tidy up one part

 

[Orka]

1) A perfect skull exists which is koiniphilic and dimorphic
2) If the size is too big or too small, its not good, so there must be a perfect skull size
3) The eyeball is the same size in healthy humans

Great to know that your system only works with healthy, perfect-sized skull humans

We literally went over this, you were incapable of getting a proper measurment with evidence-based backing that wasn't literally eyeballing it, I went ahead and did the measurments based on your own logic, and your logic failed you.

7) Measurwments do not affect each other. For example nose to mouth is ideally 1.5 according to some people. Does that mean if I have a perfect nose and i make it more narrow, that I should also make the mouth more narrow? Really think about this concept, you will realize the measurements of the ratios are what make someone attractive. Aka the features

What? If you have one bad ratio it'll move onto other ratios too, mouth width can be a ratio when compared to your jaw width, facial width and eye seperation. The whole point of ratios is to determine overall harmony.

We had a multiple page discussion about this already, where everybody knew that you were a fool, because you chose to die on a hill that could be disproven with your own logic and a google search.

Average carnivore transformation

You'd be a fool to think he isn't either using makeup or actual pharma stuff lol, his skin is literally perfectly clear to the point where it looks like he's using a filter, most other raw meat creators have clearly aged & mediocre skin quality, but just have no pimples

The issue is that he's been made the face of the community, so if he were to show any inconsistencies people would bash him for it

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Great to know that your system only works with healthy, perfect-sized skull humans

We literally went over this, you were incapable of getting a proper measurment with evidence-based backing that wasn't literally eyeballing it, I went ahead and did the measurments based on your own logic, and your logic failed you.

What? If you have one bad ratio it'll move onto other ratios too, mouth width can be a ratio when compared to your jaw width, facial width and eye seperation. The whole point of ratios is to determine overall harmony.

We had a multiple page discussion about this already, where everybody knew that you were a fool, because you chose to die on a hill that could be disproven with your own logic and a google search.

You'd be a fool to think he isn't either using makeup or actual pharma stuff lol, his skin is literally perfectly clear to the point where it looks like he's using a filter, most other raw meat creators have clearly aged & mediocre skin quality, but just have no pimples

The issue is that he's been made the face of the community, so if he were to show any inconsistencies people would bash him for it

You could be right about face iq, but there are many other carnivore skin transformations out there. Its not insane to think that once you stop putting toxins in your body, that your skin can start to heal again. Most people notice big differences within 6 months possibly due to collagen turnover.

First of all, im going to appeal to authority (fallacy), but RSM agrees with me on measurements. we both agreed that 65mm IPD with 33mm ICD is ideal for male aesthetics.

My system doesnt only work with healthy male skulls, because an ideal skull size exists for everyday interaction. Imagine if youre a girl and the guy in front of yoy has perfect proportions but the skull itself is big like a balloon. Not going to be attractive.

Your measurements would be inconsistent due to lens distortion, eyeballing with a trained eye is the only option. Trying to pinpoint the exact start and end of the eyeball is a fucking nightmare and impossible to do on photoshop and a low quality image.

The overall harmony is a good point. Many ratios exist for a certain measurement. For the mouth its compared to the other parts of the face, which is true (jaw, nose, forehead, etc). That means you would have to concede that its also compared to the eyeball diameter, and since the eyeball diameter is consistent among populations in measurement, and since there also exists a perfect ratio for eyeball to mouth size, that means there is an ideal mouth measurement, which you will find to be 54mm.

I would get that guys IPD for you confirmed, but RSM has ghosted me 4 times after I payed him, sorry.

 

[Orka]

You could be right about face iq, but there are many other carnivore skin transformations out there. Its not insane to think that once you stop putting toxins in your body, that your skin can start to heal again. Most people notice big differences within 6 months possibly due to collagen turnover.

I'm not disagreeing that if you stop eating garbage your skin will look less garbage, but the ideal skin has an unnatural glow to it, but its the beauty standard, this isn't achievable without pharmaceudicals

First of all, im going to appeal to authority (fallacy), but RSM agrees with me on measurements. we both agreed that 65mm IPD with 33mm ICD is ideal for male aesthetics.

I don't know who this guy is, or how he's authority. Not ego-ing i literally haven't heard of him

My system doesnt only work with healthy male skulls, because an ideal skull size exists for everyday interaction. Imagine if youre a girl and the guy in front of yoy has perfect proportions but the skull itself is big like a balloon. Not going to be attractive.

what? it does work with healthy male skulls, if a guy has a small skull a 65mm ipd wont look perfect, and there will be a perfect measurment relative to his skull size... aka... a ratio....

The overall harmony is a good point. Many ratios exist for a certain meadurement. For the mouth its compared to the other parts of the face, which is true (jaw, nose, forehead, etc). That means you would have to concede that its also compared to the eyeball diameter, and since the eyeball diameter is consistent among populations in measurement, and since there also exists a perfect ratio for eyeball to mouth size, that means there is an ideal mouth measurement, which you will find to be 54mm.

I wouldn't have to concede this because nobody uses any ratio with an eyeball as one of the points, its almost always either features close to one another, or features relative to skull size

I would get that guys IPD for you confirmed, but RSM has ghosted me 4 times after I payed him, sorry.

We used the logic you wanted, even BBL calculated it, it's not possible to do. He isn't a magician.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

I'm not disagreeing that if you stop eating garbage your skin will look less garbage, but the ideal skin has an unnatural glow to it, but its the beauty standard, this isn't achievable without pharmaceudicals
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I don't know who this guy is, or how he's authority. Not ego-ing i literally haven't heard of him

what? it does work with healthy male skulls, if a guy has a small skull a 65mm ipd wont look perfect, and there will be a perfect measurment relative to his skull size... aka... a ratio....

I wouldn't have to concede this because nobody uses any ratio with an eyeball as one of the points, its almost always either features close to one another, or features relative to skull size

We used the logic you wanted, even BBL calculated it, it's not possible to do. He isn't a magician.

It is achievable natural tribes that eat meat and some raw honey now and then have the mogger skin. But you wont see ultra perfect because all the truly naturally tribes are dead. But the tribes we do see (that eat cooked meat) still have very nice teeth and skin, some girls say they look like gods.

RSM is giant implants aka the smartest guy in all of blackpill.

As for the small skull guy, the 65mm IPD itself will look good but could reduce harmony of the entire skull depending on other angles and features that could be affected such as the temporal angle. So in this case it could be better to decrease the IPD to harmonize with the smaller skull but that is due to the measurements themselves, not despite them. The guy with the small skull will never look as good as the 65mm IPD, 14.3cm BZW due to koiniphilic and dimorphic standards, despite maintaing a harmonious small skull. Think of it like this. Harmonious small skull < harmonious dimorphic skull.

Just because youve never heard of somebody using this ratio, doesnt mean that it doesnt exist. You do have to concede to that point because its a viable ratio.

It is possible to do, your eye isnt trained for measuring. Just because you cant, doesnt mean others cant.

 

[Orka]

RSM is giant implants aka the smartest guy in all of blackpill.

Uh...

As for the small skull guy, the 65mm IPD itself will look good but could reduce harmony of the entire skull depending on other angles and features that could be affected such as the temporal angle.

"The 65mm will look good but look worse"
Reducing harmony is looking worse

So in this case it could be better to decrease the IPD to harmonize with the smaller skull but that is due to the measurements themselves, not despite them.

Dude
> 65mm IPD for an average skull
> If the skull is smaller, lower the IPD
> If the skull is bigger, increase the IPD

Do you see what you're doing here? you're making a fucking ratio nigga

It is possible to do, your eye isnt trained for measuring. Just because you cant, doesnt mean others cant.

We already went through this, and I worked with your logic of the average size of an iris. That calculated 71mm IPD iirc, which is far from correct. Meaning your logic is flawed, since I used your logic and applied it to the measurment.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Uh...

"The 65mm will look good but look worse"
Reducing harmony is looking worse

Dude
> 65mm IPD for an average skull
> If the skull is smaller, lower the IPD
> If the skull is bigger, increase the IPD

Do you see what you're doing here? you're making a fucking ratio nigga

We already went through this, and I worked with your logic of the average size of an iris. That calculated 71mm IPD iirc, which is far from correct. Meaning your logic is flawed, since I used your logic and applied it to the measurment.

my bad. I meant harmony between the features. For example you can make an IPD smaller for a small skull. But the IPD and BZW will still be unideal in measurement, and it will be apparent in photos due to the ratios with the eye.

The IPD will still look narrow set and the BZW will still look small, which is unideal, but it could still look better compared to an ideal IPD on the particular skull. This is because the measurements fit together and do not make the other features look worse. Despite it looking good, it will not mog the look of the dimorphic skull. Thats because of what I mentioned above such as the IPD to eyeball ratio, the eyes will still look narrow set. But being narrow set on a small skull could make the skull fit better, it just wont be as good looking as a dimorphic skull.

 

[Rothschild]

1st pic made me think of @Jattdontcare

Same JFL

 

[Rothschild]

Just fix ur gut health and ur skin issues will go away

Or just hop on isotret/tret/taz

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Fuck my brain is genuinely disintegrating

Small IPD will look better on a small skull but small IPD nor small skull is an ideal feature to have.

The small IPD and skull will still be apparent and those are ugly features to have.

That means the skull will fit together better, but the indivisual features will still look bad. This means that it wont mog the dimorphic skull.

 

[Orka]

my bad. I meant harmony between the features.

This is such a humiliating hill to die on.
The harmony between two facial features is a ratio

The IPD will still look narrow set and the BZW will still look small, which is unideal, but it could still look better compared to an ideal IPD on the particular skull. This is because the measurements fit together and do not make the other features look worse. Despite it looking good, it will not mog the look of the dimorphic skull. Thats because of what I mentioned above such as the IPD to eyeball ratio, the eyes will still look narrow set. But being narrow set on a small skull could make the skull fit better, it just wont be as good looking as a dimorphic skull.

Fuck my brain is genuinely disintegrating

Small IPD will look better on a small skull but small IPD nor small skull is an ideal feature to have.

The small IPD and skull will still be apparent and those are ugly features to have.

That means the skull will fit together better, but the indivisual features will still look bad. This means that it wont mog the dimorphic skull.

Yes, but again you're using ratios to calculate what's ideal

Small skulls are ideal, and thankfully we can figure out an ideal ratio of tfwhr to ipd/esr.

You can use ratios and measurments in the same calculation, your point of ratios being irrelevant makes literally no sense

 

[idnap]

In order 2x a day.
1.Cerave cleaner
2.BodyJ4You castor oil
3.The ordinary ascorbyl glycoside 12% vitamin c serum
4.Cerave moisturizer
5.Mineral sunscreen spf 30 tinted mineral.

Solid stack.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

This is such a humiliating hill to die on.
The harmony between two facial features is a ratio

In this case the facial features are measurements and you wont understand how facial measurements harmonize because you're not trained in measurements

This is such a humiliating hill to die on.
The harmony between two facial features is a ratio


Yes, but again you're using ratios to calculate what's ideal

Small skulls are ideal, and thankfully we can figure out an ideal ratio of tfwhr to ipd/esr.

You can use ratios and measurments in the same calculation, your point of ratios being irrelevant makes literally no sense

Small skulls are not ideal, whoever said that should be fucking executed.

Ideal male skull is ultra long with high facial depth, compact, tall, sleek and forward grown. Like OmniMan.

Ratios are not irrelevant, that was a stupid point from me to say.

But you cant have ideal ratios without ideal measurements, this is my main point.

Some ratios and features fit better with different features, but they will never mog the ideal cranium. And that cranium is based in measurements which all models hover around.

 

[Orka]

Ratios are not irrelevant, that was a stupid point from me to say.

Okay, that's half of the argument gone.

The points I disagreed with you were:

1. You can measure something in centimeters/millimeters from an image without having a Legend to compare it to
2. Ratios are irrelevant and measurments are the only important thing

Number 2 is gone

But you cant have ideal ratios without ideal measurements, this is my main point.

Well yeah you can't because there is an ideal skull size range, that's obvious

The only thing that I still disagree with is the idea that you can measure centimeters from an image without a legend

oh and that carnivore thing, but I cannot be fucked to get into a discussion about diet now

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Okay, that's half of the argument gone.

The points I disagreed with you were:

1. You can measure something in centimeters/millimeters from an image without having a Legend to compare it to
2. Ratios are irrelevant and measurments are the only important thing

Number 2 is gone

Well yeah you can't because there is an ideal skull size range, that's obvious

The only thing that I still disagree with is the idea that you can measure centimeters from an image without a legend

oh and that carnivore thing, but I cannot be fucked to get into a discussion about diet now

Ok great were getting someewhere, I wouldnt say its a range though. There is one objective skull measurement thats perfect and different forms for each of the races, and everything that strays away from this ideal skull is unideal.

I will say that I measured the eyeball to IPD ratio, and since I have a trained eye I was able to tell the approximate measurement because the eyeball is consistent amongst people. But you will not believe me.

Also plz dont debate me on carnivore research it yourself. My brain hurts tbh

 

[Orka]

Ok great were getting someewhere, I wouldnt say its a range though. There is one objective skull measurement thats perfect and different forms for each of the races, and everything that strays away from this ideal skull is unideal.

By range I meant a +0.5cm range, so negligible

I will say that I measured the eyeball to IPD ratio, and since I have a trained eye I was able to tell the approximate measurement because the eyeball is consistent amongst people. But you will not believe me.

This still doesn't serve as a replacement for a proper IPD measurment, it's an eyeball estimate that's about as useful as telling someone if its "normal, too wide, too narrow".

 

[badorb]

In order 2x a day.
1.Cerave cleaner
2.BodyJ4You castor oil
3.The ordinary ascorbyl glycoside 12% vitamin c serum
4.Cerave moisturizer
5.Mineral sunscreen spf 30 tinted mineral.

ISO or tret or taz

 

[VampyrMaxx]

By range I meant a +0.5cm range, so negligible

This still doesn't serve as a replacement for a proper IPD measurment, it's an eyeball estimate that's about as useful as telling someone if its "normal, too wide, too narrow".

I gave him a decent estimate. Way better than too narrow or too wide. I gave him a pretty accurate number which was about 68mm, pretty decent estimate.

Anyways let me just put a nail in the coffin.

If my theory is so far fetched to you, why when I morphed @adra IPD by about 3mm to take him from 68mm to 65mm, does his eye spacing look so much better?