South Italy is a shithole

[Deleted member 773]

What has caused this particular region to become to poor and subhuman in an otherwise great country? Negroid genes from middle easterners? Economic stupidity? Was browsing google earth and had no idea there was a part of Italy that looked like a south american country.

 

[Deleted member 26]

Northern italy has always been "italy"

The two sicilies arent what italy is all about

 

[Deleted member 773]

Northern italy has always been "italy"

The two sicilies arent what italy is all about

Why yes indeed

But what caused south italy to be so shit? I'm under the strict belief now that an area's success is mostly denoted by the genetic makeup of the people, with the gradiant being caucasoid/north monogloid at the top to negroid at the bottom. (with a few exceptions of incompetent ruling such as North Korea and certain middle eastern areas.) Is it because South Italy has more middle easterners in it? But even countries like Iran don't look as bad as south italy does.

 

[Ritalincel]

O mamma mia

 

[Deleted member 2756]

 

[Blackout.xl]

Again, here he goes with his racist cope.

- Northern italy has been the centre of finance and business in Italy for a quite a while now, as a result, it receives much more investment from the Italian government and overseas investors

- southern Italy has been hit hard by the economic troubles in the country, ontop of this, it hasn’t been given the needed investment and financial resources to recover and improve.

it has nothing to do with race. It’s purely economic. Southern Italy has been neglected by the Italian government for decades and the financial crash in 2008 was just the killing
Blow.

France, spain and Portugal have all also had economic troubles in recent times, would you also put that down to race?

 

[Deleted member 26]

Why yes indeed

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But what caused south italy to be so shit? I'm under the strict belief now that an area's success is mostly denoted by the genetic makeup of the people, with the gradiant being caucasoid/north monogloid at the top to negroid at the bottom. (with a few exceptions of incompetent ruling such as North Korea and certain middle eastern areas.) Is it because South Italy has more middle easterners in it? But even countries like Iran don't look as bad as south italy does.

it has nothing to do with genetics, white-europe was always a second/third world country until the early modern period. muslims were super advanced and rich compared to dark-age europe until the mongols came, and when the mongols actually did come they just whooped poland and hungarys butts- they could have taken europe if they wanted but they knew that the muslims had all the technology, art, artisans, wealth compared to europe which was more or less a shithole until the renaissance.

 

[Deleted member 773]

it has nothing to do with genetics, white-europe was always a second/third world country until the early modern period. muslims were super advanced and rich compared to dark-age europe until the mongols came, and when the mongols actually did come they just whooped poland and hungarys butts- they could have taken europe if they wanted but they knew that the muslims had all the technology, art, artisans, wealth compared to europe which was more or less a shithole until the renaissance.

This is wildly inaccurate. How can you measure middle-age countries with the modern second and third world standard? EVERY country was a "third world" country, then. What kind of technology did the middle east have exactly that wasn't accessable to Europeans?

Are you forgetting the Roman Empire? And evidence suggests that the middle eastern region was more closely white in the middle ages than it is now. Iran is the perfect evidence of this as those people look unmistakebly European.

 

[Deleted member 26]

This is wildly inaccurate. How can you measure middle-age countries with the modern second and third world standard? EVERY country was a "third world" country, then. What kind of technology did the middle east have exactly that wasn't accessable to Europeans?

Are you forgetting the Roman Empire? And evidence suggests that the middle eastern region was more closely white in the middle ages than it is now. Iran is the perfect evidence of this as those people look unmistakebly European.

whatever floats your boat bro, heil hitler 1488

 

[Deleted member 773]

whatever floats your boat bro, heil hitler 1488

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I take your shitty meme image, depicting what is clearly a tan mediterannean man and give you actual scientific evidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/05/30/dna-from-ancient-egyptian-mummies-reveals-their-ancestry/

 

[KEy21]

The Negroid DNA

 

[reddollars]

ciao italia

 

[Deleted member 773]

Again, here he goes with his racist cope.

- Northern italy has been the centre of finance and business in Italy for a quite a while now, as a result, it receives much more investment from the Italian government and overseas investors

- southern Italy has been hit hard by the economic troubles in the country, ontop of this, it hasn’t been given the needed investment and financial resources to recover and improve.

it has nothing to do with race. It’s purely economic. Southern Italy has been neglected by the Italian government for decades and the financial crash in 2008 was just the killing
Blow.

France, spain and Portugal have all also had economic troubles in recent times, would you also put that down to race?

Economic troubles aren't caused by race and economic troubles also don't cause slums, which is the situation southern italy is in. Spain doesn't have slums like italy does here. Neither does France or Portugal.

Yes, the entire world experienced a recession in 2008 but that means nothing in the case I have brought up. Southern Italy has been shit forever and that's not because of some modern day economic fumbles.

 

[Blackout.xl]

Economic troubles aren't caused by race and economic troubles also don't cause slums, which is the situation southern italy is in. Spain doesn't have slums like italy does here. Neither does France or Portugal.

Yes, the entire world experienced a recession in 2008 but that means nothing in the case I have brought up. Southern Italy has been shit forever and that's not because of some modern day economic fumbles.

You didn’t read what I said properly.

Economic troubles can cause slums if they are allowed to go on long enough with little outside support.

The world hitting a recession in 2008 doesn’t disprove the point that the 2008 recession killed off southern Italy. Southern Italy already had economic problems, a global recession only put those economic issues into overdrive.

Economic troubles aren't caused by race and economic troubles also don't cause slums, which is the situation southern italy is in. Spain doesn't have slums like italy does here. Neither does France or Portugal.

Yes, the entire world experienced a recession in 2008 but that means nothing in the case I have brought up. Southern Italy has been shit forever and that's not because of some modern day economic fumbles.

No shit southern Italy is going to have more slums than france, Portugal and Spain you retard. Southern italy has one of the worst economies in the EU. What a stupid comparison.

even with that, France, spain and Portugal still have many neighborhoods that are slums or that can be considered slums such as


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spain

edit: Southern italy also was handicapped by the bad economic policy of the early Italian kingdom and the mass emigration as a result as well. Everything in southern Italy’s failure is down to economics. It has nothing to do with race

 

[Deleted member 773]

You didn’t read what I said properly.

Economic troubles can cause slums if they are allowed to go on long enough with little outside support.

The world hitting a recession in 2008 doesn’t disprove the point that the 2008 recession killed off southern Italy. Southern Italy already had economic problems, a global recession only put those economic issues into overdrive.

No shit southern Italy is going to have more slums than france, Portugal and Spain you retard. Southern italy has one of the worst economies in the EU. What a stupid comparison.

even with that, France, spain and Portugal still have many neighborhoods that are slums or that can be considered slums such as

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edit: Southern italy also was handicapped by the bad economic policy of the early Italian kingdom and the mass emigration as a result as well. Everything in southern Italy’s failure is down to economics. It has nothing to do with race

Fun fact, those slums in madrid, while very small, have something unique about the people that live there.

They aren't spanish.

They're immigrants, gypsies from south India. https://www.thepolisblog.org/2019/11/slums-in-spain.html

Again, it is NOT that radical of an idea that the intelligence of the populace has a direct effect on the quality and prosperity of the environments and institutions BUILT by them. PEOPLE build environments, PEOPLE build society. The effects of this can be seen everywhere, it's why China and Europe, along with any countries with descendents from them, are successful, while you have entire CONTINENTS that have abysmal quality of life and high populations due to being unable to urbanize properly to first world conditions, such as Africa, South America, and especially the Indian subcontinent.

The, "It's because of bad economy!" reasoning fails when you consider that economic success is dependent on the intelligence of the populace. South Italy has billions pumped into it from the EU and central government...

 

[Blackout.xl]

Fun fact, those slums in madrid, while very small, have something unique about the people that live there.

They aren't spanish.

They're immigrants, gypsies from south India. https://www.thepolisblog.org/2019/11/slums-in-spain.html

Again, it is NOT that radical of an idea that the intelligence of the populace has a direct effect on the quality and prosperity of the environments and institutions BUILT by them. PEOPLE build environments, PEOPLE build society. The effects of this can be seen everywhere, it's why China and Europe, along with any countries with descendents from them, are successful, while you have entire CONTINENTS that have abysmal quality of life and high populations due to being unable to urbanize properly to first world conditions, such as Africa, South America, and especially the Indian subcontinent.

The, "It's because of bad economy!" reasoning fails when you consider that economic success is dependent on the intelligence of the populace. South Italy has billions pumped into it from the EU and central government...

Intelligence is needed to build communities but intelligence scales with education provided, which scales with the economy. This is why China is worlds different compared to where it was in the 50’s. People arent inherently intelligent.

India is rapidly industrializing and living standards are increasing.

Again, southern Italy was incredibly hurt by the bad economic policy of the Italian kingdom. People emigrated from the region in the millions due to the bad economy during the early 1900’s.

Millions of people leaving an area with a depressed economy only makes that economy worse due to less consumers, less businesses and less people paying tax. The Italian government remained fairly negligent towards the south for the rest of the 1900’s. Then the 2008 recession hit and the entire Italian economy hit a wall, it really recover either. Especially the south, who already was facing an economic crisis.

The reason why the south is bad is due to economics and negligence. Not “intelligence”. The south has jack shit for FDI (foreign direct investment) and doesn’t get much from the EU. Idk where you got that billions figure from. Even major political parties in Italy like the five star movement acknowledge that there’s a lack of investment in southern Italy

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I also severely doubt that the Italian government is pumping any meaningful amounts of money into the south considering that they have an excessive debt and can’t spend more due to EU rules.

Italy follows a European agenda

With a new government in place, Italy plans to become a stronger member of the European Union.

www.southeusummit.com

 

[Deleted member 773]

Intelligence is needed to build communities but intelligence scales with education provided, which scales with the economy. This is why China is worlds different compared to where it was in the 50’s. People arent inherently intelligent.

India is rapidly industrializing and living standards are increasing.

Again, southern Italy was incredibly hurt by the bad economic policy of the Italian kingdom. People emigrated from the region in the millions due to the bad economy during the early 1900’s.

Millions of people leaving an area with a depressed economy only makes that economy worse due to less consumers, less businesses and less people paying tax. The Italian government remained fairly negligent towards the south for the rest of the 1900’s. Then the 2008 recession hit and the entire Italian economy hit a wall, it really recover either. Especially the south, who already was facing an economic crisis.

The reason why the south is bad is due to economics and negligence. Not “intelligence”. The south has jack shit for FDI (foreign direct investment) and doesn’t get much from the EU. Idk where you got that billions figure from. Even major political parties in Italy like the five star movement acknowledge that there’s a lack of investment in southern Italy

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I also severely doubt that the Italian government is pumping any meaningful amounts of money into the south considering that they have an excessive debt and can’t spend more due to EU rules.

Italy follows a European agenda

With a new government in place, Italy plans to become a stronger member of the European Union.

www.southeusummit.com

People are inherently intelligent by genetics. You need intelligence to develop a system of education to begin with!

India is largely developing due to foreign investment. And as the intelligence raises in certain areas so does the standard of living, showing that intelligence does have an impact on quality of culture and development. But trends in the flynn effect show that it indeed has a cap and the chances that they will get the amount of super geniuses as jews, europeans, and asians is slim.

And south of Italy has been invaded by middle easterners and Islamists for centuries. The cities look exactly like the cities of middle east (not including white exclaves such as Iran) and they are also equally unsuccessful. I wasn't educated much on south of Italy's history before making this post, I was just surprised by what I saw and that is cities deprived of any culture, monuments, and dead city centers. Thank you for educating me. Now I know that brain drain sucks and can really devastate areas. Their agricultural society couldn't translate into the modern world to have much of an economic role.

But I will still have my stance on intelligence. If education was really what created intelligence, then African Americans would be overwhelmingly successful, but they aren't. You can't casually statistically confirm whether what influences IQ, but you can look at trends. One interesting statistic to note is that European, African, and Asian Americans with the same IQs have nearly identical incomes. Which not only strengthens the reliability of IQ tests as a prognosticator for success, but also gives light into why certain groups of people are overwhelmingly and routinely unsuccessful. Nigerians are indeed the smartest Africans and it shows in their country, having the most development and lowest relative amount of slum like living in Africa but still bad compared to the of the western world. And a huge far cry from white South Africa when it was in it's prime. And Nigerian immigrants do well in UK schools but that only reconfirms how ethnicity has a role in intelligence, as first generation Nigerian immigrants can be more successful than the East and Congolese Africans that have lived in America with access to education and welfare for generations.

It isn't something you are going to change my viewpoint on. And specific examples like a bad neighborhood in France or a slum of foreigners in Spain mean nothing when put up against the trends of the entire world. It's amazing how on a forum about how attractiveness is largely genetic you can't agree on the same when it comes to intelligence. The flynn effect is about as good of a cope as mewing because, even when strained to it's fullest potential, you won't be able to compare to the genetic elite.

 

[Blackout.xl]

People are inherently intelligent by genetics. You need intelligence to develop a system of education to begin with!

India is largely developing due to foreign investment. And as the intelligence raises in certain areas so does the standard of living, showing that intelligence does have an impact on quality of culture and development. But trends in the flynn effect show that it indeed has a cap and the chances that they will get the amount of super geniuses as jews, europeans, and asians is slim.

And south of Italy has been invaded by middle easterners and Islamists for centuries. The cities look exactly like the cities of middle east (not including white exclaves such as Iran) and they are also equally unsuccessful. I wasn't educated much on south of Italy's history before making this post, I was just surprised by what I saw and that is cities deprived of any culture, monuments, and dead city centers. Thank you for educating me. Now I know that brain drain sucks and can really devastate areas. Their agricultural society couldn't translate into the modern world to have much of an economic role.

But I will still have my stance on intelligence. If education was really what created intelligence, then African Americans would be overwhelmingly successful, but they aren't. You can't casually statistically confirm whether what influences IQ, but you can look at trends. One interesting statistic to note is that European, African, and Asian Americans with the same IQs have nearly identical incomes. Which not only strengthens the reliability of IQ tests as a prognosticator for success, but also gives light into why certain groups of people are overwhelmingly and routinely unsuccessful. Nigerians are indeed the smartest Africans and it shows in their country, having the most development and lowest relative amount of slum like living in Africa but still bad compared to the of the western world. And a huge far cry from white South Africa when it was in it's prime. And Nigerian immigrants do well in UK schools but that only reconfirms how ethnicity has a role in intelligence, as first generation Nigerian immigrants can be more successful than the East and Congolese Africans that have lived in America with access to education and welfare for generations.

It isn't something you are going to change my viewpoint on. And specific examples like a bad neighborhood in France or a slum of foreigners in Spain mean nothing when put up against the trends of the entire world. It's amazing how on a forum about how attractiveness is largely genetic you can't agree on the same when it comes to intelligence. The flynn effect is about as good of a cope as mewing because, even when strained to it's fullest potential, you won't be able to compare to the genetic elite.

People need an education in order to build their intelligence. Which needs investment. IQ differences between countries are better explained by differences in investment for education, encouragement of education and quality of government rather than race.

I’m not denying that intelligence has an impact on culture or quality of life. It obviously does

? overseas Indians are consistently the most educated people with the highest income, across all ethnic groups that emigrate as well. Not just a few. India has produced tons of highly intelligent people. Indians literally dominate tech and IT due to this. If there’s a “cap” on intelligence, Indians have no different of a cap than east Asians and whites.

nigeria isn’t underdeveloped due to intelligence. It’a underdeveloped due to corruption, ethnic division and foreign influence that supports the corruption within the country. This trend can be extrapolated to nearly every African country. The typical African country has 3-4 different tribes(that usually fought each other pre colonization) living in one country. Add in the fact that African nations gained independence as early as the 1950’s (Ghana) and as late as the mid 70’s (Angola and Mozambique), it’s no wonder that African countries are underdeveloped. Yet you mention IQ as the underlying factor, smh.

The countries you lap up as successful are multi-hundred year projects with none of the handicaps that African nations face.

white South Africa in its prime is a highly disingenuous example to bring up. Are you forgetting that there was apartheid? A system which transferred most of the capital and resources out of the black majority and into the white minority? Obviously white South Africa was going to be good when the vast mineral and financial resources of the country were used to only better THEIR communities.

bad example to use. African Americans typically live in school districts with limited funding for students. There’s many areas of the US where classrooms don’t even have books for most students. Then there’s the fact of fatherless homes and crime stunting development of black youth. Black Americans who have access to a proper education and a proper household end up having the same intelligence as their peers in the same predicament. Which proves that education is a major factor behind IQ.

Black Americans were shackled for hundreds of years, segregated for a hundred more and all throughout that were denied an education and financial opportunities. Meccas of black wealth back then (like black Wall Street) were torched. With all of this, you expect them to have the same average IQ as whites who were treated like royalty compared to blacks?

loooooooool bro.

 

[Deleted member 773]

People need an education in order to build their intelligence. Which needs investment. IQ differences between countries are better explained by differences in investment for education, encouragement of education and quality of government rather than race.

I’m not denying that intelligence has an impact on culture or quality of life. It obviously does

? overseas Indians are consistently the most educated people with the highest income, across all ethnic groups that emigrate as well. Not just a few. India has produced tons of highly intelligent people. Indians literally dominate tech and IT due to this. If there’s a “cap” on intelligence, Indians have no different of a cap than east Asians and whites.

nigeria isn’t underdeveloped due to intelligence. It’a underdeveloped due to corruption, ethnic division and foreign influence that supports the corruption within the country. This trend can be extrapolated to nearly every African country. The typical African country has 3-4 different tribes(that usually fought each other pre colonization) living in one country. Add in the fact that African nations gained independence as early as the 1950’s (Ghana) and as late as the mid 70’s (Angola and Mozambique), it’s no wonder that African countries are underdeveloped. Yet you mention IQ as the underlying factor, smh.

The countries you lap up as successful are multi-hundred year projects with none of the handicaps that African nations face.

white South Africa in its prime is a highly disingenuous example to bring up. Are you forgetting that there was apartheid? A system which transferred most of the capital and resources out of the black majority and into the white minority? Obviously white South Africa was going to be good when the vast mineral and financial resources of the country were used to only better THEIR communities.

bad example to use. African Americans typically live in school districts with limited funding for students. There’s many areas of the US where classrooms don’t even have books for most students. Then there’s the fact of fatherless homes and crime stunting development of black youth. Black Americans who have access to a proper education and a proper household end up having the same intelligence as their peers in the same predicament. Which proves that education is a major factor behind IQ.

Black Americans were shackled for hundreds of years, segregated for a hundred more and all throughout that were denied an education and financial opportunities. Meccas of black wealth back then (like black Wall Street) were torched. With all of this, you expect them to have the same average IQ as whites who were treated like royalty compared to blacks?

loooooooool bro.

Nearly every example you brought up could be explained by intelligence.

"Whites were successful in this position, and in this position, and their countries have been successful for hundreds of years even!"

"Most black families are single mothers, and they rarely create their own educational institutions and have to rely on white people to build them!"

This is a prime example of a self-refuting idea. It's looped around and proven itself wrong.

 

[Blackout.xl]

Nearly every example you brought up could be explained by intelligence.

"Whites were successful in this position, and in this position, and their countries have been successful for hundreds of years even!"

"Most black families are single mothers, and they rarely create their own educational institutions and have to rely on white people to build them!"

This is a prime example of a self-refuting idea. It's looped around and proven itself wrong.

But here’s the thing, I’m not refuting intelligence as a concept. I’m not refuting the importance of intelligence. I’m not refuting the influence that IQ has on someone’s life. What I’m refuting is the idea that IQ and intelligence are racially based/genetically based when in reality, What separates people in terms of IQ is education background.

 

[strong_silent_type]

it has nothing to do with genetics, white-europe was always a second/third world country until the early modern period. muslims were super advanced and rich compared to dark-age europe until the mongols came, and when the mongols actually did come they just whooped poland and hungarys butts- they could have taken europe if they wanted but they knew that the muslims had all the technology, art, artisans, wealth compared to europe which was more or less a shithole until the renaissance.

mongolian gooks cucked arabs very hard. they killed the man and boys in most brutal ways and raped arab women and babies. they made arabs their bitches.

it was very brutal indeed.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Southern Italy was under control by Spain during the 15th century and Spain didn't invest that much into it while the northern Italian states started to become more liberal during the 15-18 century and gradually developed an industry while southern Italy which was under Spain only had agriculture

 

[Selfahate]

What has caused this particular region to become to poor and subhuman in an otherwise great country? Negroid genes from middle easterners? Economic stupidity? Was browsing google earth and had no idea there was a part of Italy that looked like a south american country.
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[Deleted member 209]

Europe is a shithole in general

 

[Deleted member 1973]

What I’m refuting is the idea that IQ and intelligence are racially based/genetically based when in reality, What separates people in terms of IQ is education background.

D you agree?

 

[Tony]

Southern Italy was under control by Spain during the 15th century and Spain didn't invest that much into it while the northern Italian states started to become more liberal during the 15-18 century and gradually developed an industry while southern Italy which was under Spain only had agriculture

fuken mirin the knowledge

 

[Hector]

It all started in the Garibaldi union of Italy around 1870, that joined the City States of the north with the united south.

At the start of the sXX Calabria was one of the richest regions of Europe with the most fertile lands too while Südtirol was the poorest (wasn't Italy st that time). But the new state of Italy let that southern region more ignored, so mafias started to pop out and do what the state wasn't doing, by the time things degenerated. Also Important the north could devolop industrialy thanks to Poo valley.

So after hundreds of mafia, no state, pizzo, corrpution culture the south is shittier contrary to the north where the state was stronger. Imagine starting a bussiness in thr South you pay taxes, pizzo, corruption for contracts... In the north just taxes. Easier, bussiness equals to wealth.

So now Südtirol is the richest region of Italy while Calabria/Sicilia the poorest.

 

[Ritalincel]

D you agree?

thx bbc