Spain didn't have colonies in America

[TsarTsar444]

Many people don't know this but Spain actually considered those places kingdoms that are ruled by the King of Spain. This is why they intermaried with the locals and didn't forbide any cultural practises except those that went againts catholicism. Also Spanish Nation didn't even exist until the the 18th century, there were different realms that were consider the personal property by the King like Grenada, Castile, Leon, Aragon, Flanders, Burgundy, Mexico, Columbia etc.

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Yes we did.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

So colonies of spain ?

 

[TsarTsar444]

So colonies of spain ?

Do you consider Aragon to be a colony for example?

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Do you consider Aragon to be a colony for example?

Cant say

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Yea Spanish "colonialization" was very different from French/British colonialization ngl

jfl @ European Iberians who brag about conquistador blood, they were the cucks who stayed behind while high T moggers ruled over Latam

 

[TsarTsar444]

Cant say

Yea Spanish "colonialization" was very different from French/British colonialization ngl

jfl @ European Iberians who brag about conquistador blood, they were the cucks who stayed behind while high T moggers ruled over Latam

Yup, The Spanish actually made the land in America into their own Realms/Kingdoms, where stuff produced and made there, stayed there. Soldiers, Farmers, Culture were all a mix of spaniard-german-native, it was a melting pot. The Original plan of the Spanish Catholics were to transfrom the Americas into catholic kingdoms that speak the same language but still retain their culture. This is why you would see very different architecture, culture, mentality in those places then in Spain. They were self governing

English and French places were actually colonies, they basically wanted to make those places like huge lands of resource exploitation that shiped and answered directly to the British or French elite, and spread their own people while killing of anything unfamiliar

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Yea Spanish "colonialization" was very different from French/British colonialization ngl

jfl @ European Iberians who brag about conquistador blood, they were the cucks who stayed behind while high T moggers ruled over Latam

They conquered and back home tho

 

[curryslayerordeath]

They conquered and back home tho

In North Africa? Didn't they get consistently btfo in conquests near the Mediterranean?

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Yup, The Spanish actually made the land in America into their own Realms/Kingdoms, where stuff produced and made there, stayed there. Soldiers, Farmers, Culture were all a mix of spaniard-german-native, it was a melting pot. The Original plan of the Spanish Catholics were to transfrom the Americas into catholic kingdoms that speak the same language but still retain their culture. This is why you would see very different architecture, culture, mentality in those places then in Spain. They were self governing

English and French places were actually colonies, they basically wanted to make those places like huge lands of resource exploitation that shiped and answered directly to the British or French elite, and spread their own people while killing of anything unfamiliar

In a way, the whole plan was the looting of gold and then mestizaje came along. The plan was to turn all the amerindians into pure blooded Spaniards, so race mixing started and that's where most racial castes come from

 

[AlexAP]

Of course they were colonies, they didn't have the same rights as the provinces in Spain, only people born in Spain could get high-rank positions in the colonies, and the colonies couldn't even trade with each other (only with Spain).

The colonies had to fight for their independence, if they weren't colonies, this wouldn't have been necessary.

 

[TsarTsar444]

In a way, the whole plan was the looting of gold and then mestizaje came along. The plan was to turn all the amerindians into pure blooded Spaniards, so race mixing started and that's where most racial castes come from

But that isn't colonialism actually, thats just the natural thing that all empires did, mixing isn't "evil". The Persian, Arab, Ottoman, Russian empires all encouraged mixing with the local population so that loyalty increases to the King.

Colonies like from the English functioned way differently, they consider the natives like less then even side characters, it was only about enriching the country back home

 

[TsarTsar444]

Of course they were colonies, they didn't have the same rights as the provinces in Spain, only people born in Spain could get high-rank positions in the colonies, and the colonies couldn't even trade with each other (only with Spain).

The colonies had to fight for their independence, if they weren't colonies, this wouldn't have been necessary.

Napoli, and the Spanish Netherlands also didn't have the same rights as the mainland, this was done cause of the need of centraliation. It worked like this in all land empires that were centralized, where the more peripheral lands wpuld have less rights. The only thing thay makes the Spanish Empire look colonial is that they were separated by water

 

[lutte]

Ofc they were colonies just because they weren’t settlement colonies like britisg and french NA doesn’t mean they weren’t colonies, they were colonies like Africa was, the natives were subjugated and enslaved (encomiendas)

 

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[Deleted member 10987]

In North Africa? Didn't they get consistently btfo in conquests near the Mediterranean?

I meant the conquistadors went back to iberia after conquering americas

 

[oatmeal]

jfl @ European Iberians who brag about conquistador blood, they were the cucks who stayed behind while high T moggers ruled over Latam

mirin

 

[TsarTsar444]

Ofc they were colonies just because they weren’t settlement colonies like britisg and french NA doesn’t mean they weren’t colonies, they were colonies like Africa was, the natives were subjugated and enslaved (encomiendas)

No and no, slavery was forbidden in the Spanish realms of america, it was only present in renegade activities in the Caribbean islands because those places where controled by trade companies. Thays why the only black people thay exist in the spanish places is in porto rico

The natives weren't enslaved in the americas

The Spanish Empire was no different then the Ottoman Empire. Can you tell me the difference between the Spanish and Ottomans? You definitely couldn't

 

[lutte]

No and no, slavery was forbidden in the Spanish realms of america, it was only present in renegade activities in the Caribbean islands because those places where controled by trade companies. Thays why the only black people thay exist in the spanish places is in porto rico

The natives weren't enslaved in the americas

The Spanish Empire was no different then the Ottoman Empire. Can you tell me the difference between the Spanish and Ottomans? You definitely couldn't

 

[TsarTsar444]

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What did i say wrong?

 

[lutte]

No and no, slavery was forbidden in the Spanish realms of america, it was only present in renegade activities in the Caribbean islands because those places where controled by trade companies. Thays why the only black people thay exist in the spanish places is in porto rico

The natives weren't enslaved in the americas

The Spanish Empire was no different then the Ottoman Empire. Can you tell me the difference between the Spanish and Ottomans? You definitely couldn't

Slavery definitely wasn't forbidden what? There are plenty of blacks in venezuela, colombia, then a few spread out everywhere
Apparently there are even nigs living deep in the bolivian jungle who were taken there to mine in Potosí

 

[TsarTsar444]

Slavery definitely wasn't forbidden what? There are plenty of blacks in venezuela, colombia, then a few spread out everywhere
Apparently there are even nigs living deep in the bolivian jungle who were taken there to mine in Potosí

They weren't made to work on plantations for trade companies like in the english regions. The blacks in Venezuela and Colombia were almost all house servents, and they intermaried with spaniards and the natives, there wasn't a racist system like in French and England. The Spanish didn't have chatel slavery, they had similar slavery like the Ottoman Empire