Stack for Height and Dimo - GTFIH

[Paul.jnxy]

du Vogel ich han uf schwitzerdütsch kschriebe will @Paul.jnxy au ide schwiiz lebt

Und Paket chasch ganz eifach nach jestette PO paketservice bestellte uf dütschland es chan nd so schwer si lil bro…und ticket isch nur 14 stutz hin und zurück vo züri

Bro hät gseit "du Vogel"

 

[zennn]

Bro hät gseit "du Vogel"

Er isch en Vogel was söt ich no dazue sege

Bro weiss nd mal wie man richtig und sicher sini illegali Sache id schwiiz bechunt

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Er isch en Vogel was söt ich no dazue sege

Bro weiss nd mal wie man richtig und sicher sini illegali Sache id schwiiz bechunt

Säg Globi oder so

 

[zennn]

Säg Globi oder so

Min kolleg seit immer stei

 

[Schrappi17]

du Vogel ich han uf schwitzerdütsch kschriebe will @Paul.jnxy au ide schwiiz lebt

Und Paket chasch ganz eifach nach jestette PO paketservice bestellte uf dütschland es chan nd so schwer si lil bro…und ticket isch nur 14 stutz hin und zurück vo züri

Ich han keis problem in die schweiz. Ich mach sit langem eifach triangle shipping über uk und netherlands abwechselnd.
Es isch eifach wenn ich weg flüg mit familie und sie halt bim zoll hgh usw gsend.

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Ich han keis problem in die schweiz. Ich mach sit langem eifach triangle shipping über uk und netherlands abwechselnd.
Es isch eifach wenn ich weg flüg mit familie und sie halt bim zoll hgh usw gsend.

GGs dene. Vertrau versuech ned öpis zschmugle suscht isch over

 

[Schrappi17]

Er isch en Vogel was söt ich no dazue sege

Bro weiss nd mal wie man richtig und sicher sini illegali Sache id schwiiz bechunt

fette neger. ich han min stuff ide schwiz

 

[zennn]

Ich han keis problem in die schweiz. Ich mach sit langem eifach triangle shipping über uk und netherlands abwechselnd.
Es isch eifach wenn ich weg flüg mit familie und sie halt bim zoll hgh usw gsend.

Ja nimm de Shit garnöd mit

 

[Schrappi17]

GGs dene. Vertrau versuech ned öpis zschmugle suscht isch over

ja, also eifach pause mache wenn ich ferie gah? wie machsch es du?

 

[Paul.jnxy]

ja, also eifach pause mache wenn ich ferie gah? wie machsch es du?

Ich tapere das meischte abe.

 

[Schrappi17]

Ich tapere das meischte abe.

tapere?

 

[Paul.jnxy]

tapere?

Ja langsam vorzeitig abega (usser GH)

 

[Schrappi17]

Er isch en Vogel was söt ich no dazue sege

Bro weiss nd mal wie man richtig und sicher sini illegali Sache id schwiiz bechunt

ich weiss aber nöd wie lang das mit triangle shipping no guet gaht... maybe muss doch nach dütschland shippe

 

[Schrappi17]

Ja langsam vorzeitig abega (usser GH)

alr und hgh eifach in unterhose mitnäh oder was?

 

[zennn]

ich weiss aber nöd wie lang das mit triangle shipping no guet gaht... maybe muss doch nach dütschland shippe

han au erste Paket id schwiiz kschickt aber Zuviel Angst de zweite isch hüt easy acho in dütschland

 

[Schrappi17]

han au erste Paket id schwiiz kschickt aber Zuviel Angst de zweite isch hüt easy acho in dütschland

aber chan mer nöd eifach säge "ich han nüt bestellt, öbert hät mich trolled"... ich wohn halt nöd ganz nöch bi dütschland (nähe pfäfikon)

 

[zennn]

aber chan mer nöd eifach säge "ich han nüt bestellt, öbert hät mich trolled"... ich wohn halt nöd ganz nöch bi dütschland (nähe pfäfikon)

Du müestisch denn halt 400 stutz für zerstörig zahle und dini Adresse wird (Villicht) blacklisted

 

[Schrappi17]

Du müestisch denn halt 400 stutz für zerstörig zahle und dini Adresse wird (Villicht) blacklisted

bestellsch du dirket zu dütschland oder mit triangle zu dütschland und denn abhole? Will ich mach maybe ab jetzt au.

 

[zennn]

bestellsch du dirket zu dütschland oder mit triangle zu dütschland und denn abhole? Will ich mach maybe ab jetzt au.

dütschland direkt min lieferant macht alles vo selber mit flüg organisiere triangle shippe stealth package und so

 

[3pider]

cabergoline better than p5p

long term caber use leads to heart fibrosis there are better agents to lower prolactin

 

[Seviant_enter]

IGF-1/GH Axis:
rHGH - 16 ius ed

Androgens:
Test Base - 5 mg ed
Primo - 20 mg ed
Oxandrolone - 10 mg (morning/pre)
Fluoxymesterone - 2.5 mg ed (21 days on 7 off)
Tren - 30 mg pw microdose

E2:
Exemestane - 25 mg eod
Letrozole - 1.25 mg eod
Tamoxifen/Nolvadex - 20 mg ed

FGFR Axis:
Balversa - 3 mg ed (14 days on 7 off)

Skin and Hair:
RU58841 - 20-50 mg per day (5% solution)
Minox - 2.5 mg ed
Isotret - 20mg ed (incase of acne outbreak)
Asthaxanthin - 8 mg ed
GHK-cu - 2 mg ed

Ancillaries:
Empagliflozin
T3
T4
Sevelamer Carbonate
High EPA/DHA Fish Oil
Melatonin
Telmi
Cabergoline
P5P
Aspirin
NAC
TUDCA
Taurine
Lutein
Zeaxanthin
Plus Tons of other shit I will not mention

This will be my second blast as my current first cycle is a lot milder. Any advice is appreciated.

shit stack for height

 

[Paul.jnxy]

shit stack for height

Elaborate. While I agree this stack can be improved on. As I look back.

 

[Seviant_enter]

Elaborate. While I agree this stack can be improved on. As I look back.

Hgh looks good ( 0.07mg/kg/day )

Remove AAS, they literally bind to your growthplates and harden it. No matter the dose. ( without mentioning how test will increase e2 locally no matter what )

For E2 arimidex 1mg is enough ( studies backs this up)

I didnt do enough research on fgfr axis so i wont throw around anything here.

Skin and hair is ok but you dont need to take all that

For Ancillaries t3 is useless since hgh helps convert t4 into t3 by allot so I would take take t4 125mcg and thats it. The rest of ancillaries are really smart.
caborgoline is a must have.
Mirin your effort but like said AAS is dog shit for height, the rest smart.

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Hgh looks good ( 0.07mg/kg/day )

Remove AAS, they literally bind to your growthplates and harden it. No matter the dose. ( without mentioning how test will increase e2 locally no matter what )

For E2 arimidex 1mg is enough ( studies backs this up)

I didnt do enough research on fgfr axis so i wont throw around anything here.

Skin and hair is ok but you dont need to take all that

For Ancillaries t3 is useless since hgh helps convert t4 into t3 by allot so I would take take t4 125mcg and thats it. The rest of ancillaries are really smart.
caborgoline is a must have.
Mirin your effort but like said AAS is dog shit for height, the rest smart.

Im using an letro I don’t think I ever mentioned arimidex. 2.5 mgs ed. I have had this debate a thousand times. Explain how androgens fuse my gp. I currently have not a molecule of detectable T and free T in my body nor a single detectable molecule of e2 in my body.

 

[Seviant_enter]

Im using an letro I don’t think I ever mentioned arimidex. 2.5 mgs ed. I have had this debate a thousand times. Explain how androgens fuse my gp. I currently have not a molecule of detectable T and free T in my body nor a single detectable molecule of e2 in my body.

I know that you didnt mention letro, I said that you could use anastrozole instead since it already has backed up studies on height.

Test is always case dependent so if you really have done a bloodwork that shows you are lacking it then go get it prescribed.
Since prescibtion is almost always low dose.


Now for the you have question
high androgen levels accelerate skeletal maturation by activating androgen receptors in growth plate cartilage and bone, promoting chondrocyte differentiation, ossification, and bone remodeling.
To simplify it its literally going to make you more dimo BUT will harden and fully develop your GP into bones.

Im not saying you wont grow on that stack, infact aas on the dose you showed me will still accelerate growth but its always case dependent and almost never efficient

If I were you, then I would do a height stack for 6 to 12 months then do 6 months or more of dimo stack. You cant combine those things.

Btw there are studies where they used exog amounts of test to force stunt them for growing to tall.

 

[petko]

IGF-1/GH Axis:
rHGH - 16 ius ed

Androgens:
Test Base - 5 mg ed
Primo - 20 mg ed
Oxandrolone - 10 mg (morning/pre)
Fluoxymesterone - 2.5 mg ed (21 days on 7 off)
Tren - 30 mg pw microdose

E2:
Exemestane - 25 mg eod
Letrozole - 1.25 mg eod
Tamoxifen/Nolvadex - 20 mg ed

FGFR Axis:
Balversa - 3 mg ed (14 days on 7 off)

Skin and Hair:
RU58841 - 20-50 mg per day (5% solution)
Minox - 2.5 mg ed
Isotret - 20mg ed (incase of acne outbreak)
Asthaxanthin - 8 mg ed
GHK-cu - 2 mg ed

Ancillaries:
Empagliflozin
T3
T4
Sevelamer Carbonate
High EPA/DHA Fish Oil
Melatonin
Telmi
Cabergoline
P5P
Aspirin
NAC
TUDCA
Taurine
Lutein
Zeaxanthin
Plus Tons of other shit I will not mention

This will be my second blast as my current first cycle is a lot milder. Any advice is appreciated.

35 mg test

 

[Paul.jnxy]

I know that you didnt mention letro, I said that you could use anastrozole instead since it already has backed up studies on height.

I mentioned it

Test is always case dependent so if you really have done a bloodwork that shows you are lacking it then go get it prescribed.
Since prescibtion is almost always low dose.

You did not understand. Test is bad for my goals, my test levels are how they are supposed to be.

Now for the you have question
high androgen levels accelerate skeletal maturation by activating androgen receptors in growth plate cartilage and bone, promoting chondrocyte differentiation, ossification, and bone remodeling.
To simplify it its literally going to make you more dimo BUT will harden and fully develop your GP into bones.

Any source other then GPT? Plus upregulation of the RunX2 gene leads to local aromatase meaning regardless androgens will nly benefit me if I have no test and no e2.

35 mg test

You are right, Im not on any test.

 

[James holder]

IGF-1/GH Axis:
rHGH - 16 ius ed

Androgens:
Test Base - 5 mg ed
Primo - 20 mg ed
Oxandrolone - 10 mg (morning/pre)
Fluoxymesterone - 2.5 mg ed (21 days on 7 off)
Tren - 30 mg pw microdose

E2:
Exemestane - 25 mg eod
Letrozole - 1.25 mg eod
Tamoxifen/Nolvadex - 20 mg ed

FGFR Axis:
Balversa - 3 mg ed (14 days on 7 off)

Skin and Hair:
RU58841 - 20-50 mg per day (5% solution)
Minox - 2.5 mg ed
Isotret - 20mg ed (incase of acne outbreak)
Asthaxanthin - 8 mg ed
GHK-cu - 2 mg ed

Ancillaries:
Empagliflozin
T3
T4
Sevelamer Carbonate
High EPA/DHA Fish Oil
Melatonin
Telmi
Cabergoline
P5P
Aspirin
NAC
TUDCA
Taurine
Lutein
Zeaxanthin
Plus Tons of other shit I will not mention

This will be my second blast as my current first cycle is a lot milder. Any advice is appreciated.

Up the tren. Affects are dose dependant

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Up the tren. Affects are dose dependant

30 mgs is enough IGF-1R sensitivity

 

[Seviant_enter]

I mentioned it

You did not understand. Test is bad for my goals, my test levels are how they are supposed to be.

Any source other then GPT? Plus upregulation of the RunX2 gene leads to local aromatase meaning regardless androgens will nly benefit me if I have no test and no e2.

You are right, Im not on any test.

Fuck I got too much fog, might need to lower my ai dose

Look you mentioned letro and you never mentioned arimidex. Mb for the mixup

This gene will not appear just bcs of test.
Every AAS in that Stack bind to the ar, activating ar pathways that can influence runx2 gene signaling and other involved sekeletal maturation.
Aka speeding up the maturation of the gp.

Basiclly a contradiction mentioning this gene

Edit: heres the source

Runx2 involved in bone formation
Link1
Gp cells responding directly to androgens.
Link 2

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Fuck I got too much fog, might need to lower my ai dose

Look you mentioned letro and you never mentioned arimidex. Mb for the mixup

This gene will not appear just bcs of test.
Every AAS in that Stack bind to the ar, activating ar pathways that can influence runx2 gene signaling and other involved sekeletal maturation.
Aka speeding up the maturation of the gp.

Basiclly a contradiction mentioning this gene

Edit: heres the source

Runx2 involved in bone formation
Link1
Gp cells responding directly to androgens.
Link 2

Yes but you did not understand my main point. The upregulation of the RunX2 gene itself does not lead to fusion. Runx2 upregulation → increased aromatase (CYP19A1) expression → increased local estrogen (E2) production. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2863706

So if you run androgens in an optimal enviroment (nuked e2) there is no mechanism fusing your GP.

 

[Seviant_enter]

Yes but you did not understand my main point. The upregulation of the RunX2 gene itself does not lead to fusion. Runx2 upregulation → increased aromatase (CYP19A1) expression → increased local estrogen (E2) production. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2863706

So if you run androgens in an optimal enviroment (nuked e2) there is no mechanism fusing your G

You are the one using gpt

I agree that Runx2 can regulate aromatase and local E2 production.
But that doesn't mean androgens only work if T and E2 are nuked. It just shows one possible pathway of local estrogen signaling.
Androgens also have direct ar effects in bone and growth plate cells, so the biology is not reduced to serum E2 alone.

 

[lmnopq]

IGF-1/GH Axis:
rHGH - 16 ius ed

Androgens:
Test Base - 5 mg ed
Primo - 20 mg ed
Oxandrolone - 10 mg (morning/pre)
Fluoxymesterone - 2.5 mg ed (21 days on 7 off)
Tren - 30 mg pw microdose

E2:
Exemestane - 25 mg eod
Letrozole - 1.25 mg eod
Tamoxifen/Nolvadex - 20 mg ed

FGFR Axis:
Balversa - 3 mg ed (14 days on 7 off)

Skin and Hair:
RU58841 - 20-50 mg per day (5% solution)
Minox - 2.5 mg ed
Isotret - 20mg ed (incase of acne outbreak)
Asthaxanthin - 8 mg ed
GHK-cu - 2 mg ed

Ancillaries:
Empagliflozin
T3
T4
Sevelamer Carbonate
High EPA/DHA Fish Oil
Melatonin
Telmi
Cabergoline
P5P
Aspirin
NAC
TUDCA
Taurine
Lutein
Zeaxanthin
Plus Tons of other shit I will not mention

This will be my second blast as my current first cycle is a lot milder. Any advice is appreciated.

Really good stack

 

[Paul.jnxy]

You are the one using gpt

I did to make it easier to find the study I will use for reference. Why wouldn't i?

I agree that Runx2 can regulate aromatase and local E2 production.
But that doesn't mean androgens only work if T and E2 are nuked. It just shows one possible pathway of local estrogen signaling.

Yes they increase velocity either way. The question is about FAH not velocity.

Androgens also have direct ar effects in bone and growth plate cells

They really don't, you did not back up any of your claims yet.

so the biology is not reduced to serum E2 alone.

Im sorry I don't understand what you mean by this. Its H2O thats its not serum e2 leading to fusion.

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Really good stack

Not really, its pretty shitty looking back.

 

[Seviant_enter]

I did to make it easier to find the study I will use for reference. Why wouldn't i?

I have nothing against ai but you were the one to say I used AI first even tho I never did

Yes they increase velocity either way. The question is about FAH not velocity.

Yea they do increase in velocity, but the question is, is it efficient enough for FAH?? Hgh matures gp too but its efficient enough for growth, aas isnt. Maybe maybe on a rare case you could use oxand 5mg but allat aas is a bad idea.

They really don't, you did not back up any of your claims yet.

Sex-specific effects of 17β-estradiol and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) on growth plate chondrocytes are dependent on both ERα and ERβ and require palmitoylation to translocate the receptors to the plasma membrane - PubMed

Rat costochondral cartilage growth plate chondrocytes exhibit cell sex-specific responses to 17β-estradiol (E₂), testosterone, and dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Mechanistically, E₂ and DHT stimulate proliferation and extracellular matrix synthesis in chondrocytes from female...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here is one and I already mentioned the important studues in my reply.

Im sorry I don't understand what you mean by this. Its H2O thats its not serum e2 leading to fusion.

Yes, E2 at the growth plate is what matters. My point is that serum E2 is not the same thing as local growth plate E2..

 

[Paul.jnxy]

I have nothing against ai but you were the one to say I used AI first even tho I never did

I asked for a source and you did not provide one and your point was framed very shallow making it sound like GPT

Yea they do increase in velocity, but the question is, is it efficient enough for FAH?? Hgh matures gp too but its efficient enough for growth, aas isnt. Maybe maybe on a rare case you could use oxand 5mg but allat aas is a bad idea.

Its plausible that they would when nuking e2 isn't it.

Sex-specific effects of 17β-estradiol and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) on growth plate chondrocytes are dependent on both ERα and ERβ and require palmitoylation to translocate the receptors to the plasma membrane - PubMed

Rat costochondral cartilage growth plate chondrocytes exhibit cell sex-specific responses to 17β-estradiol (E₂), testosterone, and dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Mechanistically, E₂ and DHT stimulate proliferation and extracellular matrix synthesis in chondrocytes from female...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here is one and I already mentioned the important studues in my reply.

And how does this correlate and supposed to disproove my point?

Yes, E2 at the growth plate is what matters. My point is that serum E2 is not the same thing as local growth plate E2..

Yes exactly. And you can't lower local e2 without having a complete hormonal e2 shutdown.

 

[Seviant_enter]

I asked for a source and you did not provide one and your point was framed very shallow making it sound like GPT

I did show 3 sources. No please dont tell me I sound like gpt

Yes exactly. And you can't lower local e2 without having a complete hormonal e2 shutdown.

Mind showing me a source that supports this claim?

And how does this correlate and supposed to disproove my point?

The correlation is that AAS are AR agonists. If androgens directly affect growth plate chondrocytes through AR, then AAS are expected to affect the growth plate through the same pathway.
That contradicts your claim that androgen effects are only explained by local E2/aromatase

Heres another study for you to read
Link

 

[darklooktriad]

no mtren, anavar, MK677, or halo so cope

 

[Paul.jnxy]

I did show 3 sources. No please dont tell me I sound like gpt

Iont see em boyo, you did sound like GPT at the start.

Mind showing me a source that supports this claim?

Shifting the burden of proof

The correlation is that AAS are AR agonists. If androgens directly affect growth plate chondrocytes through AR, then AAS are expected to affect the growth plate through the same pathway.

You yet again failed to provide an actual mechanism and any evidence that Andorgen Receptor agonism leads to fusion while not using the variable e2.

Heres another study for you to read
Link

Yet again how does this contradict me?

 

[Sakl]

so youre not getting any facial bone dimorphism from it id say the only dimorphic trait is the wider clavicles, aside from the muscles ofcourse

 

[Paul.jnxy]

so youre not getting any facial bone dimorphism from it id say the only dimorphic trait is the wider clavicles, aside from the muscles ofcourse

I don't mind.

 

[Sakl]

I don't mind.

How old are you? Pretty good stack

 

[Paul.jnxy]

How old are you? Pretty good stack

Looking back at it it sucks tbh. Im 14 soon to be 15.

 

[Sakl]

Looking back at it it sucks tbh. Im 14 soon to be 15.

Soooo good for 14. Mirin

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Soooo good for 14. Mirin

Thanks brah.

 

[Shirobon]

damn reading through this thread has been hella informative on AAS in general, still definitely considering my options as idrc about my plates getting raped(only looking for appositional growth)

 

[Paul.jnxy]

damn reading through this thread has been hella informative on AAS in general, still definitely considering my options as idrc about my plates getting raped(only looking for appositional growth)

Thanks G. I mean if you dgaf and you tall enough nandrolone is the golden standard. Def go for it.

 

[Shirobon]

Thanks G. I mean if you dgaf and you tall enough nandrolone is the golden standard. Def go for it.

thx I'll look into it any other tips?

 

[Paul.jnxy]

thx I'll look into it any other tips?

Not really. Im pretty clueless tbh . Please document how your topical rosiglitazone is going. Im really intrested in that gang.