Steroid side effects are over exaggerated and largely jew propaganda

[crestfallen]

Yeah so why would you want to risk half that shit and especially TRT? What are you trying to do yourself?
The best way to do testosterone is a topical application. Do not inject. You gotta do it daily but its far safer and way less likely to permanently shut you down or decrease natural test production when you cycle off. HCG also for a useful component.
But what you shoudl be really doing is maximizing your test naturally through diet, lifestyle, and enviroment.

Ive experimented myself with using Progesterone, Pregnenalone, DHEA, and Androsterone but i cant say they have had and crazy effects. All of htose are way safer then using testosterone and have way more systemic benefit. Also DHT is insanely good and stronger than test as well. Using Fin while rioding is crazy IMO

I fixed a lot of that lifestyle stuff, and had my testosterone at 250ng/dl. I stopped abusively cycling weight and doing insane cardio, stopped heavy drinking, started sleeping more than 3 hours a day. Was prescribed proviron to nuke my SHBG, which recovered to 350ish, wasn't happy and just decided to blast and cruise.

I don't know why you did DHT. It's not a particularly selective hormone and as anything androgenic is going to fuck your bloodwork just as much. Id rather see a newbie do Oxandralone

 

[Achilles]

Not much in beef, oysters do have a lot but most people can't afford to eat it so often now jfl.


I'm not sure about the "just get the vitamins from food/sun" part. Most foods nowadays are lacking and lost most of their nutritional value compared to just a few decades and centuries back (for example 1 orange less than a century ago is estimated to have had the amount of vit C as 7 oranges today combined)
Most people are probably reaching deficiency in some vitamins and they don't know, just like how the base testosterone acceptable levels keep decreasing because people are getting weaker, people also keep getting less nutrients and vitamins from their diets.


Wouldn't taking them separately still make them compete with each other then though?


You think so? I'm not sure about all the ingredients but most seemed like essential stuff, you're supposed to take that multivitamin twice per day so if there's estrogenic stuff there that'd be really messed up



Pretty sure that's just extremely small doses used to make the pills jfl

Eating beef daily (which you should be doing IMO) will give you a solid amount of zinc, daily amount for sure.
I live near some oyster bars and you can get them cheap on happy hour like $1 per oyster and 6 is mega dose of zinc alone

You should rely on meat, dairy, eggs, for most foods if youre worried about less minerals in fruits veggies. Orange juice still has a lot of nutrients in it. Organic stuff shoudl hopefully have more utriets if its a regenerative farming process (which is getting more mainstream again). Id still say the solution to defficainely is to eat more food. Like eat more beef milk OJ... just up the amount if you are worried about deficiency. Also you would have symptos of defficeiny as well. If you have none, supplementing more might not do anyhting.

Having them separately allows you to take them at different times, like an hour apart for things that compete.

Most herbs and flowers are somewhat estrogenic. They can be potent as well and is not something id do daily

A small dose of glass powder in your stomach isnt good for you. That pill capsule of micro cellulose also isnt a small dose.

The thing about multis like this is also that you dont need all those minerals... you get them from food, you dont need to supplement all them. And if youre vegan or vegetarian then you are jsut handicapping your life and nutrition and have bigger problems than needing supps

A big piece of advice is to try and find liquid supps or even powders. Pill forms are way worse because they can hide rancid shit in them.
liquid supps are optimal

Bioavailabiltiy is a big question for this stuff as well.

 

[Achilles]

I fixed a lot of that lifestyle stuff, and had my testosterone at 250ng/dl. I stopped abusively cycling weight and doing insane cardio, stopped heavy drinking, started sleeping more than 3 hours a day. Was prescribed proviron to nuke my SHBG, which recovered to 350ish, wasn't happy and just decided to blast and cruise.

I don't know why you did DHT. It's not a particularly selective hormone and as anything androgenic is going to fuck your bloodwork just as much. Id rather see a newbie do Oxandralone

Yeah so that lifestyle was absolutely killing your test.
I didnt do DHT, but ive read about it and think its a legit one to use.

Look into those hormones I posted about. Those are the best ones you can supplement. Progest, Pregnen, DHEA,

Also im 100% sure that all bio identical are FAR superior and safer than synthetic compounds

 

[ConfusedBolivian]

jfl stay ltn forever bhai

 

[n9wiff]

No propaganda steroids are bad for you even if you take PCT you can't deny the effect it has on your hormone profile

Just stick to SARMs or a higher dose Test E cycle. The moment you take orals like var or shit like tren you can't deny that they have sides regardless of whatever AI or natural liver "support" you take.

 

[crestfallen]

Yeah so that lifestyle was absolutely killing your test.
I didnt do DHT, but ive read about it and think its a legit one to use.

Look into those hormones I posted about. Those are the best ones you can supplement. Progest, Pregnen, DHEA,

Also im 100% sure that all bio identical are FAR superior and safer than synthetic compounds

I stopped the lifestyle and it didn't rebound. That was my point. I gave it 6 months and it didn't change. I took prescription medication, got it to the range of a 70 year old and the doctor was happy. I'll look into the ones you posted a bit

Bio identical compounds are not necessarily safer, it's just your body knows what to do with testosterone and it has predictable satellite interactions. I would sooner up my Anavar dose than my test dose

No propaganda steroids are bad for you even if you take PCT you can't deny the effect it has on your hormone profile

Just stick to SARMs or a higher dose Test E cycle. The moment you take orals like var or shit like tren you can't deny that they have sides regardless of whatever AI or natural liver "support" you take.

Sarms are androgens. I call them AAS because when they're taken in the doses that everyone does they act the exact same way. People call fucking tren a sarm in a low dose.

They are poorly researched. They have the same effects on your body as steroids, for mostly less effects. My bloodwork is cleaner on Anavar than it ever was on ostarine with FAR more gains

 

[n9wiff]

I stopped the lifestyle and it didn't rebound. That was my point. I gave it 6 months and it didn't change. I took prescription medication, got it to the range of a 70 year old and the doctor was happy. I'll look into the ones you posted a bit

Bio identical compounds are not necessarily safer, it's just your body knows what to do with testosterone and it has predictable satellite interactions. I would sooner up my Anavar dose than my test dose



Sarms are androgens. I call them AAS because when they're taken in the doses that everyone does they act the exact same way. People call fucking tren a sarm in a low dose.

They are poorly researched. They have the same effects on your body as steroids, for mostly less effects. My bloodwork is cleaner on Anavar than it ever was on ostarine with FAR more gains

Your not supposed to go on a high dose of SARMs. If you wanna go on a higher does of SARMs you might as well do roids as you can skip the oral route and unknown side effects

That being said a simple 10mg ostarine cycle can bring you some gains, considerable healing benefits and improved recovery from previous injuries without supressing you as much as steroids do and you can get away with no PCT. You should always do bloods of course but many people I know and online anecdotes have gotten away from a 20mg ostarine cycle with no PCT and kept their gains.

Sarms don't have the same effect as roids, they won't blow you up as much but they definitely are milder in terms of supression and from a medical standpoint they work in a different way than steroids do int he first place

 

[crestfallen]

Your not supposed to go on a high dose of SARMs. If you wanna go on a higher does of SARMs you might as well do roids as you can skip the oral route and unknown side effects

That being said a simple 10mg ostarine cycle can bring you some gains, considerable healing benefits and improved recovery from previous injuries without supressing you as much as steroids do and you can get away with no PCT. You should always do bloods of course but many people I know and online anecdotes have gotten away from a 20mg ostarine cycle with no PCT and kept their gains.

Sarms don't have the same effect as roids, they won't blow you up as much but they definitely are milder in terms of supression and from a medical standpoint they work in a different way than steroids do int he first place

SARMs selectively bind to androgen receptors. That is their job, and this is why they push muscle growth. They are meant to not bind to androgen receptors that cause undesirable side effects, like hair loss, body hair growth, deepening of voice, etc., while binding to ones in muscles that cause growth or prevent catabolism.

Anabolic steroids also bind to androgen receptors and have been designed as derivatives of either nandralone, testosterone or DHT to do the exact same thing. However we have a great deal more research on anabolic steroids. Not all of them are as effective as SARMs (proviron), but some of them are way more effective.

Because of this I personally just treat SARMs like shitty oral steroids because that's how they're used. They have other sometimes positive effects too, but so do steroids.

I have taken 10, 20 and 30mg of ostarine. At 10mg is where you see recovery benefits and that's really it. At 20 I needed a PCT and got about 3lb of lean muscle in an 8 week cycle, and at 30 you're just getting androgenic side effects and may as well be taking anavar.

Id never use RAD because it gives tren like side effects with less muscle growth than Anavar, and if I wanted to be a bloatlord I'd use deca rather than LGD

 

[n9wiff]

SARMs selectively bind to androgen receptors. That is their job, and this is why they push muscle growth. They are meant to not bind to androgen receptors that cause undesirable side effects, like hair loss, body hair growth, deepening of voice, etc., while binding to ones in muscles that cause growth or prevent catabolism.

Anabolic steroids also bind to androgen receptors and have been designed as derivatives of either nandralone, testosterone or DHT to do the exact same thing. However we have a great deal more research on anabolic steroids. Not all of them are as effective as SARMs (proviron), but some of them are way more effective.

Because of this I personally just treat SARMs like shitty oral steroids because that's how they're used. They have other sometimes positive effects too, but so do steroids.

I have taken 10, 20 and 30mg of ostarine. At 10mg is where you see recovery benefits and that's really it. At 20 I needed a PCT and got about 3lb of lean muscle in an 8 week cycle, and at 30 you're just getting androgenic side effects and may as well be taking anavar.

Id never use RAD because it gives tren like side effects with less muscle growth than Anavar, and if I wanted to be a bloatlord I'd use deca rather than LGD

Very good outlook on the RAD part. Alot of people think RAD is the "best" sarm because they look at the anabolic androgenic ratio and think its just as strong but safer than roids.

I personally would never take anything above 20mg of Ostarine and will never touch RAD And the other sussy compounds S4 and ACP just because it is the most researched.

Going to start a 10mg AC 262 cycle soon. Promising novel sarm

 

[crestfallen]

Very good outlook on the RAD part. Alot of people think RAD is the "best" sarm because they look at the anabolic androgenic ratio and think its just as strong but safer than roids.

I personally would never take anything above 20mg of Ostarine and will never touch RAD And the other sussy compounds S4 and ACP just because it is the most researched.

Going to start a 10mg AC 262 cycle soon. Promising novel sarm

If you like ostarine, look into Anavar. You'll get a lot more out of it, similar health outcomes, better for bloodwork. It's slightly more androgenic so you need to run it with test, but it feels very similar.

 

[n9wiff]

If you like ostarine, look into Anavar. You'll get a lot more out of it, similar health outcomes, better for bloodwork. It's slightly more androgenic so you need to run it with test, but it feels very similar.

My first ever roid cycle would probably be a titration up to 500mg Test E. Then I would consider the test base + anavar

Thanks for the input >

 

[crestfallen]

My first ever roid cycle would probably be a titration up to 500mg Test E. Then I would consider the test base + anavar

Thanks for the input >

One thing to consider if you are. 500mg of test is a shit tonne. It's probably 4x what's in your body naturally. I know everyone recommends starting at 500, but honestly my body couldn't take it without an AI. You then want to consider whether you want to run an AI as well consider the long term health impacts of doing so.

I blast on 400 because I don't want to have to take other shit. Id generally recommend starting at 200 and gradually increasing because most men can take that without blowing up and getting gyno

 

[n9wiff]

One thing to consider if you are. 500mg of test is a shit tonne. It's probably 4x what's in your body naturally. I know everyone recommends starting at 500, but honestly my body couldn't take it without an AI. You then want to consider whether you want to run an AI as well consider the long term health impacts of doing so.

I blast on 400 because I don't want to have to take other shit. Id generally recommend starting at 200 and gradually increasing because most men can take that without blowing up and getting gyno

Yeah I meant taper instead of titrate lol

I always slowly taper up dosages of anything I take just so that I can stop at where I feel comfortable and assess how my body reacts to it.
In terms of AI I think anyone doing a cycle should have an AI and PCT on hand.

 

[Lefty Rankin]

Listen, as someone who has been on a perpetual blast of 500 mg test for 1.5 years with occasional tren, superdrol, winstrol, etc mixed in, i firmly believe that steroid side effects are grossly over exaggerated and only happen to those who are too low iq to take precautions. Keep in mind i started roiding at 16. My growth plates didnt close(5'10 to 6'2), never got ogre face, never got acne, no hair loss, literally no health issues (multiple blood tests confirm this). All because I managed the sides before they happened. Arimidex, minoxidil/rosemary/dermastamp, cialis for blood pressure, no dosages above 500 mg test, no permabulking so no bloat.

if you are too scared to hop on youve been misled by jewish propaganda to keep you a small sub5 JFL

Yeah, try that shit with trenbolone. A perpetual blast.

 

[6PSLcel]

Listen, as someone who has been on a perpetual blast of 500 mg test for 1.5 years with occasional tren, superdrol, winstrol, etc mixed in, i firmly believe that steroid side effects are grossly over exaggerated and only happen to those who are too low iq to take precautions. Keep in mind i started roiding at 16. My growth plates didnt close(5'10 to 6'2), never got ogre face, never got acne, no hair loss, literally no health issues (multiple blood tests confirm this). All because I managed the sides before they happened. Arimidex, minoxidil/rosemary/dermastamp, cialis for blood pressure, no dosages above 500 mg test, no permabulking so no bloat.

if you are too scared to hop on youve been misled by jewish propaganda to keep you a small sub5 JFL

Do ur balls still function if u hop off without hcg or any of that ?

 

[DR. NICKGA]

These multivitamins are mixed... I dont recall off the top of my head but some of these forms of vitamins are pretty useless + mixing them all togehter like this is also suspect as some compete with others and negate one or the other
Some of the herbs and anti oxidants in there are estrogenic for sure.

Thats why i never gonna use a vitamime B complex supplement , 1. They compete eachother 2. Most of them are low quality and CHEAP

Also in most multivitamines supplements contains low doses of the vitamines and minerals.... not good enough to fix a deficient

 

[6PSLcel]

My first ever roid cycle would probably be a titration up to 500mg Test E. Then I would consider the test base + anavar

Thanks for the input >

im kinda a roid noob but test E is just testosterone enanthate right ?

 

[97baHater]

same bro, i have like 50 supplements on my desk rn with more obscure skincare products and ive ordered lemon bottle to inject into my cheeks. why use this site if you arent willing to do what it takes to ascend and live an enjoyable life

Based high iq

 

[n9wiff]

im kinda a roid noob but test E is just testosterone enanthate right ?

Yeah you are right, Test E is reffered to for enanthate like how test p is refered to for test propionate and test c for test cypionate

 

[Mike141]

Shut the fuck up retard

don’t u take roids too? jfl

 

[ConfusedBolivian]

don’t u take roids too? jfl

full time natty

 

[asdvek]

Using Fin while rioding is crazy IMO

why?