Steroids, Peptides for Dismorphism?

[Jesus_ist_König]

So first I want you to read the thread from SlayerJonas (didnt tag since he is busy enough i think) = https://looksmax.org/threads/the-truth-about-steroids-and-peptides-affecting-bones-height.1550764/
Which I think is pretty good and makes sense.
What do we learn from it? Change of bone structure/density is not achievable

But...
Is a more dimorphic face i.e. a more manly face achievable? That is my question.

I guess every1 knows this Tiktok video


But regardless of high his testosterone levels, look at his face

He looks like a baby.
Even my man @Lefty Rankin
looks more masculine

So what I think we all know is that roids = less bf%, maybe more hair growth
but thats it i think?

Please tell me if im wrong and if roids give you more dimorphism
@Genio @austrianpsycho @LTNUser @Zagro @PSLbbc

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Bump

 

[CertifiedGoy]

If you blast androgens for years during puberty it will give you dimorphism regardless of what anyone says. How much it gives you depends on your genetics

 

[ascendtocl122]

ask the voices

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

ask the voices

Nobody said that they are smart...

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

If you blast androgens for years during puberty it will give you dimorphism regardless of what anyone says. How much it gives you depends on your genetics

Whats the science then behind it? I could end up bald and look like a baby

 

[ascendtocl122]

Nobody said that they are smart...

sorry

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

@ihatemySOST

 

[Genio]

So first I want you to read the thread from SlayerJonas (didnt tag since he is busy enough i think) = https://looksmax.org/threads/the-truth-about-steroids-and-peptides-affecting-bones-height.1550764/
Which I think is pretty good and makes sense.
What do we learn from it? Change of bone structure/density is not achievable

But...
Is a more dimorphic face i.e. a more manly face achievable? That is my question.

I guess every1 knows this Tiktok video


But regardless of high his testosterone levels, look at his face
View attachment 4770610
He looks like a baby.
Even my man @Lefty Rankin
looks more masculine
View attachment 4770619

So what I think we all know is that roids = less bf%, maybe more hair growth
but thats it i think?

Please tell me if im wrong and if roids give you more dimorphism
@Genio @austrianpsycho @LTNUser @Zagro @PSLbbc

Me and Zagro discussed this 2 days ago, Craniofacial Remodelling through Androgens isnt achievable, this is what Slayerjonas meant in Section 5 when he said "The Theory is bone growth, but expecting CCW + Maxillary Rotation (or wtv he said) is tales".

However, Periosteal Apposition is achievable in any age, I had a study where Adults experienced Periosteal Apposition at ages of 30. Periosteal Apposition is the the process of Bone Remodelling around the entire body; And can be achieved with Androgens.

Also Bonemass Density is different from Bone Growth (Thank @Zagro for telling me this); Millions of ways to increase BMD but Growth of the Bone is a different topic.

In any case, before I go off track, yes, Dimorphism is achievable with roids as far as I can see, multiple People I know online who took Roids went from looking their age to looking 18 and 19. Planning to hop on soon aswell since people are saying I have a baby face and its pissing me off.

 

[CertifiedGoy]

Whats the science then behind it? I could end up bald and look like a baby

Well anything that binds to the ar strongly will produce dimorphism overtime in puberty. You could go bald sure but that’s dependant on genetics plus it’s easier to get hair transplant than facial implants to fix a cuck skull

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Me and Zagro discussed this 2 days ago, Craniofacial Remodelling through Androgens isnt achievable, this is what Slayerjonas meant in Section 5 when he said "The Theory is bone growth, but expecting CCW + Maxillary Rotation (or wtv he said) is tales".

So we both agree on that she shape/angles and positions of the bone cant be changed, right?

However, Periosteal Apposition is achievable in any age, I had a study where Adults experienced Periosteal Apposition at ages of 30. Periosteal Apposition is the the process of Bone Remodelling around the entire body; And can be achieved with Androgens.

Meaning that bone can growth over the existing bone, increasing facial bonemass right?
Link the study pls

Also Bonemass Density is different from Bone Growth (Thank @Zagro for telling me this); Millions of ways to increase BMD but Growth of the Bone is a different topic.

Well I kinda get it? BMD is that the bone is denser but it doesnt have any effect on the volume right?
@Zagro could you elaborate on that please?

In any case, before I go off track, yes, Dimorphism is achievable with roids as far as I can see

Can you link a study?

multiple People I know online who took Roids went from looking their age to looking 18 and 19. Planning to hop on soon aswell since people are saying I have a baby face and its pissing me off.

What roids should one take to achieve that? and what about the side effects like balding or gyno etc.?

 

[TrueGuerilla]

Roids, peptides are ONLY for your body and skin, plus overall well-being

 

[ihatemySOST]

If you blast androgens for years during puberty it will give you dimorphism regardless of what anyone says. How much it gives you depends on your may

may i ask whats prove for that?

 

[Genio]

So we both agree on that she shape/angles and positions of the bone cant be changed, right?

Meaning that bone can growth over the existing bone, increasing facial bonemass right?
Link the study pls

Well I kinda get it? BMD is that the bone is denser but it doesnt have any effect on the volume right?
@Zagro could you elaborate on that please?

Can you link a study?

What roids should one take to achieve that? and what about the side effects like balding or gyno etc.?

I'm really busy with my schoolwork rn and I dont have the studies saved, But in regards to the last question, If youre under 18 I'd recommend RU55481 for Local DHT Inhibition, Dermal-stamping and Oral Minoxidol, Gyno can be countered with an AI normally. I wouldnt recommend doing anything before getting Tests or seeing Signs to actually hop on any of these, Some people are really Sensitive and others don't see any side effects.

Tests are mandatory for any Roid cycle.

 

[ihatemySOST]

Me and Zagro discussed this 2 days ago, Craniofacial Remodelling through Androgens isnt achievable, this is what Slayerjonas meant in Section 5 when he said "The Theory is bone growth, but expecting CCW + Maxillary Rotation (or wtv he said) is tales".

However, Periosteal Apposition is achievable in any age, I had a study where Adults experienced Periosteal Apposition at ages of 30. Periosteal Apposition is the the process of Bone Remodelling around the entire body; And can be achieved with Androgens.

Also Bonemass Density is different from Bone Growth (Thank @Zagro for telling me this); Millions of ways to increase BMD but Growth of the Bone is a different topic.

In any case, before I go off track, yes, Dimorphism is achievable with roids as far as I can see, multiple People I know online who took Roids went from looking their age to looking 18 and 19. Planning to hop on soon aswell since people are saying I have a baby face and its pissing me off.e

wow this gotta be the most bull shit thing i have ever read in this website

 

[CertifiedGoy]

may i ask whats prove for that?

Bro what do you think gives dimorphism during puberty? Testosterone. So common sense is if you have supraphysiological amounts of test or any strong androgen for an extended time during puberty you will get dimorphism

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

I'm really busy with my schoolwork rn and I dont have the studies saved, But in regards to the last question, If youre under 18 I'd recommend RU55481 for Local DHT Inhibition, Dermal-stamping and Oral Minoxidol, Gyno can be countered with an AI normally. I wouldnt recommend doing anything before getting Tests or seeing Signs to actually hop on any of these, Some people are really Sensitive and others don't see any side effects.

Tests are mandatory for any Roid cycle.

I have good hair genetic i think
Isnt DHT important for dimorphism but yeah if its to much then u gotta block it haha

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

wow this gotta be the most bull shit thing i have ever read in this website

Elaborate

 

[Genio]

wow this gotta be the most bull shit thing i have ever read in this website

kk

 

[Genio]

I have good hair genetic i think
Isnt DHT important for dimorphism but yeah if its to much then u gotta block it haha

Well thats the thing, You arent taking a Systemic DHT Inhibitor like Fina/Dutasteride, RU55481 locally inhibits DHT Enzymes on the Scalp so u dont balt, and Oral Minoxidol is a secondary for Balding.

Not sure if im mixing up Zagro with some1 else but I think he recommended the same things before, ill try and find it and lyk

 

[Genio]

@Jesus_ist_König

https://looksmax.org/threads/dht-age-on-hairloss-deep-dive-into-your-bald-head-worth-ur-time-gftih.1802680/post-25394811

 

[Lefty Rankin]

So first I want you to read the thread from SlayerJonas (didnt tag since he is busy enough i think) = https://looksmax.org/threads/the-truth-about-steroids-and-peptides-affecting-bones-height.1550764/
Which I think is pretty good and makes sense.
What do we learn from it? Change of bone structure/density is not achievable

But...
Is a more dimorphic face i.e. a more manly face achievable? That is my question.

I guess every1 knows this Tiktok video


But regardless of high his testosterone levels, look at his face
View attachment 4770610
He looks like a baby.
Even my man @Lefty Rankin
looks more masculine
View attachment 4770619

So what I think we all know is that roids = less bf%, maybe more hair growth
but thats it i think?

Please tell me if im wrong and if roids give you more dimorphism
@Genio @austrianpsycho @LTNUser @Zagro @PSLbbc

You don't know what masculine looks like. Still shots are one thing but the way a person interacts with people and carries himself is what shows masculinity.

Go ahead and mistakenly think I look like nothing to worry about by the photos I post on this site. Face to face though you would instantly recognize that I'm extremely dominant, and it's nothing I've ever gone out of my way to prove.

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

@Jesus_ist_König

https://looksmax.org/threads/dht-age-on-hairloss-deep-dive-into-your-bald-head-worth-ur-time-gftih.1802680/post-25394811

Thanks

 

[ihatemySOST]

Elaborate

This person is completely mentally challenged. No adult in history has ever exhibited even 0.1mm periosteal deposition (except in pathological conditions like hypergrowth). What you're saying here is incorrect and not based on any scientific study. After puberty, the stem cells in the periosteum disappear almost entirely, to the point that they sometimes become undetectable. Any study you've read will be discussing literally microscopic growth; it won't be noticeable to the naked eye. It can only be detected and measured with an X-ray. A normal person wouldn't even feel their bones expand in any way after puberty. In a normal person, it's almost impossible for bones to expand naturally after puberty because the bones have reached their full length, and the muscles have almost completely reached their full size. Therefore, there's no additional bending force on the bones, and no need for further expansion. I challenge you to show me any study published in the entire history of periosteal expansion after puberty. It's impossible to find one. You're basing all your arguments on imaginary science to cope with yourself, if that's even possible. We also ignored your confusion between bone remodeling and modeling. There's no such thing as periosteal remodeling; it's called modeling, you idiot. And stop talking about sexual dimorphism as if males have facial bones kilometers wider than females. The differences between us are extremely small, literally 1-3%. Most facial dimorphism is primarily due to soft tissue, not bone

 

[pfl]

Roids also make ur fat pads more mature

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

You don't know what masculine looks like. Still shots are one thing but the way a person interacts with people and carries himself is what shows masculinity.

Go ahead and mistakenly think I look like nothing to worry about by the photos I post on this site. Face to face though you would instantly recognize that I'm extremely dominant, and it's nothing I've ever gone out of my way to prove.

but the photos u post arent even u right?

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Roids also make ur fat pads more mature

wdym with "mature" ???

 

[pfl]

wdym with "mature" ???

Basically of a fully grown man
Youll hold less fat in certain areas even if u were lean beforehand

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

This person is completely mentally challenged. No adult in history has ever exhibited even 0.1mm periosteal deposition (except in pathological conditions like hypergrowth). What you're saying here is incorrect and not based on any scientific study. After puberty, the stem cells in the periosteum disappear almost entirely, to the point that they sometimes become undetectable. Any study you've read will be discussing literally microscopic growth; it won't be noticeable to the naked eye. It can only be detected and measured with an X-ray. A normal person wouldn't even feel their bones expand in any way after puberty. In a normal person, it's almost impossible for bones to expand naturally after puberty because the bones have reached their full length, and the muscles have almost completely reached their full size. Therefore, there's no additional bending force on the bones, and no need for further expansion. I challenge you to show me any study published in the entire history of periosteal expansion after puberty. It's impossible to find one. You're basing all your arguments on imaginary science to cope with yourself, if that's even possible. We also ignored your confusion between bone remodeling and modeling. There's no such thing as periosteal remodeling; it's called modeling, you idiot.

Dude first of all ur talking to the wrong person. Im Switzerland here, okay?? I never claimed anything, im the one asking.
Yes I also think that changing the lenght of the bone is impossible through roids. I will try to find a study that shows the effect of it, but as you said probably i wont find any.

And stop talking about sexual dimorphism as if males have facial bones kilometers wider than females.

Significantly wider I think u cant tell me that males dont have more bones in their face/ wider bones??

The differences between us are extremely small, literally 1-3%.

I doubt that

Most facial dimorphism is primarily due to soft tissue, not bone

Male models have like 0% face fat, what soft tissue is going to give any bone looking like effect?

 

[Lefty Rankin]

but the photos u post arent even u right?

They're all me.

 

[ihatemySOST]

Dude first of all ur talking to the wrong person. Im Switzerland here, okay?? I never claimed anything, im the one asking.
Yes I also think that changing the lenght of the bone is impossible through roids. I will try to find a study that shows the effect of it, but as you said probably i wont find any.

Significantly wider I think u cant tell me that males dont have more bones in their face/ wider bones??

I doubt that

Male models have like 0% face fat, what soft tissue is going to give any bone looking like effect?

Bro im replying for him not u my bad

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

They're all me.

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Out of all forums why are you then on this forum and why do you even post your child?

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Bro im replying for him not u my bad

Okay, answer to my responses though

 

[ihatemySOST]

Significantly wider I think u cant tell me that males dont have more bones in their face/ wider bones??

They do but slightly

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

They do but slightly

what then causes dimorphism in ur opinion if its not the bones?

 

[Lefty Rankin]

Out of all forums why are you then on this forum and why do you even post your child?

I like this forum.

Why not post my child?

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

I like this forum.

KK

Why not post my child?

Cuz its stupid to post ur child. but yeah i dont wanna argue, you do you

 

[ihatemySOST]

what then causes dimorphism in ur opinion if its not the bones?

the bones do cause dimo but its not the only factors, and the direct effects of androgens in thats is absolutely 0

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

the bones do cause dimo but its not the only factors, and the direct effects of androgens in thats is absolutely 0

aka only genetics?


but bones make up for like 90% of the dimorphism

 

[Lefty Rankin]

KK

Cuz its stupid to post ur child. but yeah i dont wanna argue, you do you

It's not stupid. I think you're just parroting what others people in the West say. Stupid Western sensitivities. There's no good reason not to post my child. I bet you can't think of one.

 

[ihatemySOST]

aka only genetics?


but bones make up for like 90% of the dimorphism

Sexual differences in the skeleton manifest in two ways: 1. Longer bones, resulting from females having higher estrogen levels and ceasing growth years earlier than males. 2. Differences in bone diameter, resulting from differences in mechanical loading

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Sexual differences in the skeleton manifest in two ways: 1. Longer bones, resulting from females having higher estrogen levels and ceasing growth years earlier than males. 2. Differences in bone diameter, resulting from differences in mechanical loading

SO BONES DO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE?

Most facial dimorphism is primarily due to soft tissue, not bone

 

[ihatemySOST]

SO BONES DO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE?

In height? Yes ofc? In face ? Not all soft tissues ( muscles,hair,skin) play also big role

 

[Zagro]

@ihatemySOST

Perfect guy to tag for this argument

 

[reborn.archie]

So first I want you to read the thread from SlayerJonas (didnt tag since he is busy enough i think) = https://looksmax.org/threads/the-truth-about-steroids-and-peptides-affecting-bones-height.1550764/
Which I think is pretty good and makes sense.
What do we learn from it? Change of bone structure/density is not achievable

But...
Is a more dimorphic face i.e. a more manly face achievable? That is my question.

I guess every1 knows this Tiktok video


But regardless of high his testosterone levels, look at his face
View attachment 4770610
He looks like a baby.
Even my man @Lefty Rankin
looks more masculine
View attachment 4770619

So what I think we all know is that roids = less bf%, maybe more hair growth
but thats it i think?

Please tell me if im wrong and if roids give you more dimorphism
@Genio @austrianpsycho @LTNUser @Zagro @PSLbbc

just do high test sports if you dont want to use test or peptides but you dont really need much dimorphism if you wnat to pull girls

 

[pslfinalboss]

This person is completely mentally challenged. No adult in history has ever exhibited even 0.1mm periosteal deposition (except in pathological conditions like hypergrowth). What you're saying here is incorrect and not based on any scientific study. After puberty, the stem cells in the periosteum disappear almost entirely, to the point that they sometimes become undetectable. Any study you've read will be discussing literally microscopic growth; it won't be noticeable to the naked eye. It can only be detected and measured with an X-ray. A normal person wouldn't even feel their bones expand in any way after puberty. In a normal person, it's almost impossible for bones to expand naturally after puberty because the bones have reached their full length, and the muscles have almost completely reached their full size. Therefore, there's no additional bending force on the bones, and no need for further expansion. I challenge you to show me any study published in the entire history of periosteal expansion after puberty. It's impossible to find one. You're basing all your arguments on imaginary science to cope with yourself, if that's even possible. We also ignored your confusion between bone remodeling and modeling. There's no such thing as periosteal remodeling; it's called modeling, you idiot. And stop talking about sexual dimorphism as if males have facial bones kilometers wider than females. The differences between us are extremely small, literally 1-3%. Most facial dimorphism is primarily due to soft tissue, not bone

So do you no longer believe in bonesmashing?

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

So do you no longer believe in bonesmashing?

boneshmashing is only swelling