Stop giving people fake hopes about hgh

[ihatemySOST]

The only randomized double-blind study with a placebo-controlled group found a difference in final length of 0.57 sds. The study, which is 3.4 cm, involved children aged 10 years old, and the treatment lasted five years. So, if you started at age 10 and used it for five years, we can finally say that you might increase your final height by 1-4 cm. Don't forget that the dose was 0.074 mg/kg. Let's assume your weight is 70 kg; 0.074 x 70 = 5.18, which is approximately 16 IU. Since it was used every other day, the daily dose would be at least 8 IU. Now, remember that the children in the study were pre-pubescent, and you are now in adulthood, producing growth hormone and IGF-1 at a rate 2-3 times higher than pre-pubescent children. It's reasonable to assume that you would need at least 16-24 IU daily to achieve this increase, if you even get it, since you are no longer a child. Unfortunately, even this study tracked near-adult final height. After reaching this height, some people typically gain 1-4 cm. So, if they tracked real final adult height, the increase would likely be much less.

And no, the height gain will only happen if you use it for at least 5 years, because another double-blind, randomized study using a dose of 0.075 mg/kg/day on children aged 4-10 years, with a treatment duration of 2.3 years, tracked their actual adult height (when they were 20 years old). The increase? It wasn't actually an increase; it was a decrease of 0.2 SDS, which is approximately 1.5 cm less than the untreated group (JFL). The dose they used was 0.75 mcg/kg. As I mentioned, that was in pre-pubescent children, so you are now in puberty, so we will double the dose: 0.075 x 70 = 5.25 x 2 = 10.5 mg which is approximately 31 ius Therefore, I regret to inform you that if you use any dose lower than 31 ius , you may lose some of your final height.

Sorry to tell u guys , stop using ur non-RCTs full of bias , and The disastrous methodology and use high quality study and stop giving people fake hope , stop the fucking cope

 

[cendawan]

Hey saif

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Only problem i see is that they didnt seem to combine it with an ai i assume, to not get that detrimental effect in this context of hgh directly stimulsting androgen production whoch becomes a problem at higher doses when the liver has problems keeping up.

But i agree with the overall message and title as if you live in a first world country your very likely to be at your genetic limit anyway so more hgh wont do much

 

[brootaldude]

Only problem i see is that they didnt seem to combine it with an ai i assume, to not get that detrimental effect in this context of hgh directly stimulsting androgen production whoch becomes a problem at higher doses when the liver has problems keeping up.

But i agree with the overall message and title as if you live in a first world country your very likely to be at your genetic limit anyway so more hgh wont do much

why would ai even help. shouldn’t ai be used with test?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

why would ai even help. shouldn’t ai be used with test?

It stops plates from closing

 

[JerichoTorrent]

another dogshit take from Saif, the biggest midwit in the looksmaxxing community by far

 

[ihatemySOST]

another dogshit take from Saif, the biggest midwit in the looksmaxxing community by far

It does not matter , the moment u read my post u lost any future placebo gains from hgh

 

[03/29/2009]

The only randomized double-blind study with a placebo-controlled group found a difference in final length of 0.57 sds. The study, which is 3.4 cm, involved children aged 10 years old, and the treatment lasted five years. So, if you started at age 10 and used it for five years, we can finally say that you might increase your final height by 1-4 cm. Don't forget that the dose was 0.074 mg/kg. Let's assume your weight is 70 kg; 0.074 x 70 = 5.18, which is approximately 16 IU. Since it was used every other day, the daily dose would be at least 8 IU. Now, remember that the children in the study were pre-pubescent, and you are now in adulthood, producing growth hormone and IGF-1 at a rate 2-3 times higher than pre-pubescent children. It's reasonable to assume that you would need at least 16-24 IU daily to achieve this increase, if you even get it, since you are no longer a child. Unfortunately, even this study tracked near-adult final height. After reaching this height, some people typically gain 1-4 cm. So, if they tracked real final adult height, the increase would likely be much less.
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And no, the height gain will only happen if you use it for at least 5 years, because another double-blind, randomized study using a dose of 0.075 mg/kg/day on children aged 4-10 years, with a treatment duration of 2.3 years, tracked their actual adult height (when they were 20 years old). The increase? It wasn't actually an increase; it was a decrease of 0.2 SDS, which is approximately 1.5 cm less than the untreated group (JFL). The dose they used was 0.75 mcg/kg. As I mentioned, that was in pre-pubescent children, so you are now in puberty, so we will double the dose: 0.075 x 70 = 5.25 x 2 = 10.5 mg which is approximately 31 ius Therefore, I regret to inform you that if you use any dose lower than 31 ius , you may lose some of your final height.
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Sorry to tell u guys , stop using ur non-RCTs full of bias , and The disastrous methodology and use high quality study and stop giving people fake hope , stop the fucking cope

im crine


nigga you wasted a good amount out of your day to write this bs cope, please fucking rope

“muh natural pulses are better” sybau, exogenous mogs, if you think otherwise i hope you get your head beat in with a bat, i dont think you could loose anymore braincells atp

 

[True-Prince]

It does not matter , the moment u read my post u lost any future placebo gains from hgh

HGH is often overhyped, but at the right dose it can still raise IGF-1 levels in a meaningful way. With around 3–4 IU of pharmaceutical-grade HGH, IGF-1 values of roughly 480 ng/dL are commonly achievable.


During adolescence, around the age of 15, IGF-1 reference ranges are broad, roughly 160 to 760 ng/dL. In reality, many teenagers sit closer to the 400–600 ng/dL range. Higher values do occur, but they are not consistent, since natural GH release fluctuates heavily depending on sleep, nutrition, stress, and day-to-day conditions.


At much higher HGH doses, around 8–12 IU, IGF-1 levels in the range of about 650–850 ng/dL . This is comparable to peak teenage levels and in some cases even higher. The key difference is consistency: exogenous HGH allows these levels to be maintained for months if administered daily and if cost is not a limiting factor.


This does not mean HGH works miracles, but it does go beyond what most people can achieve naturally on a sustained basis. HGH in High dosages are better than staying natty. If you combine gh with some other things for example BPC-157 you can upregulate the receptor sensitivity up to 7 times and make it even more effective.

 

[Deleted member 303171]

Clinical retards in here really think you are gonna reap significant benefits from pinning gh at 16

 

[sick kunt31]

cope
Yes — children who receive GH replacement therapy can show increased mandibular ramus growth
Yes. The mandible can grow in children especially if they receive growth hormone treatment while they are still growing
Yes. The maxilla can grow, in children especially when GH treatment is given during childhood.

oh but muh were not children welp better luck next time

 

[itssoover0457]

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Only problem i see is that they didnt seem to combine it with an ai i assume, to not get that detrimental effect in this context of hgh directly stimulsting androgen production whoch becomes a problem at higher doses when the liver has problems keeping up.

But i agree with the overall message and title as if you live in a first world country your very likely to be at your genetic limit anyway so more hgh wont do much

but everyone says ai will make u retarded

 

[itssoover0457]

sh

HGH is often overhyped, but at the right dose it can still raise IGF-1 levels in a meaningful way. With around 3–4 IU of pharmaceutical-grade HGH, IGF-1 values of roughly 480 ng/dL are commonly achievable.


During adolescence, around the age of 15, IGF-1 reference ranges are broad, roughly 160 to 760 ng/dL. In reality, many teenagers sit closer to the 400–600 ng/dL range. Higher values do occur, but they are not consistent, since natural GH release fluctuates heavily depending on sleep, nutrition, stress, and day-to-day conditions.


At much higher HGH doses, around 8–12 IU, IGF-1 levels in the range of about 650–850 ng/dL . This is comparable to peak teenage levels and in some cases even higher. The key difference is consistency: exogenous HGH allows these levels to be maintained for months if administered daily and if cost is not a limiting factor.


This does not mean HGH works miracles, but it does go beyond what most people can achieve naturally on a sustained basis. HGH in High dosages are better than staying natty. If you combine gh with some other things for example BPC-157 you can upregulate the receptor sensitivity up to 7 times and make it even more effective.

should i add igf with hgh. lr3 and des

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

b

but everyone says ai will make u retarded

It will only do that if you take too much to the point where your e2 is out of range, so its possible

 

[itssoover0457]

It will only do that if you take too much to the point where your e2 is out of range, so its possible

whats the ideal e2 level u need when getting bloodwork and whats the ideal starting dose of ai

 

[yussimania]

cope
Yes — children who receive GH replacement therapy can show increased mandibular ramus growth
Yes. The mandible can grow in children especially if they receive growth hormone treatment while they are still growing
Yes. The maxilla can grow, in children especially when GH treatment is given during childhood.

oh but muh were not children welp better luck next time

 

[sick kunt31]

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[yussimania]

cant see the images

log out and log back in

 

[sick kunt31]

log out and log back in

forgot my password

 

[yussimania]

forgot my password

bro

just type in messi side profile on Google

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

whats the ideal e2 level u need when getting bloodwork and whats the ideal starting dose of ai

15 is good for most people, youllnalso have to feel it a bit

 

[sick kunt31]

bro

just type in messi side profile on Google

cus he was taking like 2ius of hgh and he was gh deficent so he was producing normie gh instead of mogger igf1 levels

 

[itssoover0457]

15 is good for most people, youllnalso have to feel it a bit

what side effects do i have to feel. how do i know if its too high or too low bc i cant get bloodwork done every week, prob every month or two

 

[yussimania]

cus he was taking like 2ius of hgh and he was gh deficent so he was producing normie gh instead of mogger igf1 levels

JFL bro are you gonna give your kid like 8 IUs of HGH - surely that's gonna be a problem especially the hand pain shit that happens

 

[sick kunt31]

JFL bro are you gonna give your kid like 8 IUs of HGH - surely that's gonna be a problem especially the hand pain shit that happens

nah me I'm a late bloomer and going to take hgh mostly form the ramus length rather die trying than be 5'9

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

what side effects do i have to feel. how do i know if its too high or too low bc i cant get bloodwork done every week, prob every month or two

Depression,limp dick,brainfog angry dor no reason etc

 

[itssoover0457]

Depression,limp dick,brainfog angry dor no reason etc

fuck im already like that and my e2 is normal

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

fuck im already like that and my e2 is normal

Probs something else

 

[yussimania]

nah me I'm a late bloomer and going to take hgh mostly form the ramus length rather die trying than be 5'9

let's say you do achieve acromegalylite results - you do realise you can't even out the growth? your mandible will grow way faster than your maxilla and will result in class 3 underbite and it's hard af to correct due to the thicker bone density

just save up and get implants or something

 

[chot]

This is retarded lmao. So many conflicting factors in a study like this. Even gh secretagogues like hexarelin and ghrp have been proven to substantially improve height velocity. This is why aromasin with gh is so important. It’s pretty useless if you are just raising your igf, your body will just age faster.

 

[yussimania]

@Orka JFL since when were greys scientists when it comes to Human COPE Hormone?

 

[Orka]

The only randomized double-blind study with a placebo-controlled group found a difference in final length of 0.57 sds. The study, which is 3.4 cm, involved children aged 10 years old, and the treatment lasted five years. So, if you started at age 10 and used it for five years, we can finally say that you might increase your final height by 1-4 cm. Don't forget that the dose was 0.074 mg/kg. Let's assume your weight is 70 kg; 0.074 x 70 = 5.18, which is approximately 16 IU. Since it was used every other day, the daily dose would be at least 8 IU. Now, remember that the children in the study were pre-pubescent, and you are now in adulthood, producing growth hormone and IGF-1 at a rate 2-3 times higher than pre-pubescent children. It's reasonable to assume that you would need at least 16-24 IU daily to achieve this increase, if you even get it, since you are no longer a child. Unfortunately, even this study tracked near-adult final height. After reaching this height, some people typically gain 1-4 cm. So, if they tracked real final adult height, the increase would likely be much less.
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And no, the height gain will only happen if you use it for at least 5 years, because another double-blind, randomized study using a dose of 0.075 mg/kg/day on children aged 4-10 years, with a treatment duration of 2.3 years, tracked their actual adult height (when they were 20 years old). The increase? It wasn't actually an increase; it was a decrease of 0.2 SDS, which is approximately 1.5 cm less than the untreated group (JFL). The dose they used was 0.75 mcg/kg. As I mentioned, that was in pre-pubescent children, so you are now in puberty, so we will double the dose: 0.075 x 70 = 5.25 x 2 = 10.5 mg which is approximately 31 ius Therefore, I regret to inform you that if you use any dose lower than 31 ius , you may lose some of your final height.
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Sorry to tell u guys , stop using ur non-RCTs full of bias , and The disastrous methodology and use high quality study and stop giving people fake hope , stop the fucking cope

Good thread, hgh is a meme

@Orka JFL since when were greys scientists when it comes to Human COPE Hormone?

This user has posted some quality threads in the past, along with some questionable ones, I wouldn't say he's just a grey

 

[yussimania]

Good thread, hgh is a meme

This user has posted some quality threads in the past, along with some questionable ones, I wouldn't say he's just a grey

oh no OP is goated im talking about the greys in the thread agruing against him lol. Tiktok effect

 

[True-Prince]

whats the ideal e2 level u need when getting bloodwork and whats the ideal starting dose of ai

LR3 is a highly complex compound, and the same applies to IGF-1 DES. Based on my current understanding, I would not recommend using IGF-1 LR3. One major concern is the potential downregulation of IGF-1 receptors in circulation, which could reduce responsiveness over time rather than enhance it.


Although LR3 is often described as having an extended half-life, practical data suggest its effective half-life is only approximately 30–60 minutes. In addition, studies indicate that LR3 does not bind effectively to IGF-binding proteins (IGFBPs) and was no longer detectable after roughly four hours, raising questions about its real-world duration of action.


For these reasons, LR3 appears to offer poor cost–benefit value and may even be counterproductive in the context of optimizing HGH effects. From my perspective, if the goal is to enhance HGH efficacy, a more rational approach would be to avoid LR3 entirely and instead focus on improving growth hormone receptor sensitivity, for example through BPC-157. About IGF-1 Des Half life is relly short too but its stonger than LR3 and i dont know if it stays long enough to downregulate igf-1. If you wanna get some IGF-1 in the HGH cycle take IGF-Des and not LR3 Lr3 is worse and costs wayy more.

sh

should i add igf with hgh. lr3 and des