Stop relying on peptides alone

[jeff1234]

This short thread is going to offend people. Good. The peptide circlejerk on this forum has gotten completely out of control. Every new guy thinks they’re going to fix their bone structure or lean their face just by injecting some random copper peptide or growth hormone mimetic. Half of you can’t even explain what a peptide is, let alone how it works.
Let’s set the record straight. Peptides aren’t trash, they’re useful, but they are nowhere near the most important part of a serious looksmaxxing stack. If they’re the centerpiece of your plan, you don’t have a real plan.

There Is No Documented Case of Someone Transforming Their Facial Structure with Peptides Alone:
Every decent-looking “before/after” you’ve seen floating around this forum is an absolute fraud.they just lost weight, frauded, camera angle maxed and probably even edited some of their pics. Peptides don’t shift bone. They don’t lift your cheekbones. They don’t change eye area recession. At best, they can support a process that’s already happenin, if the other systems are optimized.
So if you want real change with peptides, you are going to need some very high dosages of peptides, with comes with great sides effects.

I’m not saying that peptides are shit, but running them as the foundation is retarded.


The only peptides you need-

-HGH for muscles and skin (maybe height and bone if you dose it higher than 10 iu a day).

-Retatrutide for weight loss.

- GHK-Cu and maybe even BPC-157 for skin, collagen.

That’s it, you don’t need to get your cycle to resolve around peptides. It’s all about hierarchy.

Your best cycle to do (goal-dependent tho) is HGH, anavar and testosterone.

Ancillaires - GHK-Cu, accutane, RU (and dut if you’re done with puberty) and an AI.

Peptides are great, but stop treating them like the foundation.

AMA if you didn’t understand or want to know about peptides more.

@Copercel @kazama

 

[Copercel]

This short thread is going to offend people. Good. The peptide circlejerk on this forum has gotten completely out of control. Every new guy thinks they’re going to fix their bone structure or lean their face just by injecting some random copper peptide or growth hormone mimetic. Half of you can’t even explain what a peptide is, let alone how it works.
Let’s set the record straight. Peptides aren’t trash, they’re useful, but they are nowhere near the most important part of a serious looksmaxxing stack. If they’re the centerpiece of your plan, you don’t have a real plan.

There Is No Documented Case of Someone Transforming Their Facial Structure with Peptides Alone:
Every decent-looking “before/after” you’ve seen floating around this forum is an absolute fraud.they just lost weight, frauded, camera angle maxed and probably even edited some of their pics. Peptides don’t shift bone. They don’t lift your cheekbones. They don’t change eye area recession. At best, they can support a process that’s already happenin, if the other systems are optimized.
So if you want real change with peptides, you are going to need some very high dosages of peptides, with comes with great sides effects.

I’m not saying that peptides are shit, but running them as the foundation is retarded.


The only peptides you need-

-HGH for muscles and skin (maybe height and bone if you dose it higher than 10 iu a day).

-Retatrutide for weight loss.

- GHK-Cu and maybe even BPC-157 for skin, collagen.

That’s it, you don’t need to get your cycle to resolve around peptides. It’s all about hierarchy.

Your best cycle to do (goal-dependent tho) is HGH, anavar and testosterone.

Ancillaires - GHK-Cu, accutane, RU (and dut if you’re done with puberty) and an AI.

Peptides are great, but stop treating them like the foundation.

AMA if you didn’t understand or want to know about peptides more.

@Copercel @kazama

someone needed to say this.

Mirin brah.

 

[underatedgreycel]

This short thread is going to offend people. Good. The peptide circlejerk on this forum has gotten completely out of control. Every new guy thinks they’re going to fix their bone structure or lean their face just by injecting some random copper peptide or growth hormone mimetic. Half of you can’t even explain what a peptide is, let alone how it works.
Let’s set the record straight. Peptides aren’t trash, they’re useful, but they are nowhere near the most important part of a serious looksmaxxing stack. If they’re the centerpiece of your plan, you don’t have a real plan.

There Is No Documented Case of Someone Transforming Their Facial Structure with Peptides Alone:
Every decent-looking “before/after” you’ve seen floating around this forum is an absolute fraud.they just lost weight, frauded, camera angle maxed and probably even edited some of their pics. Peptides don’t shift bone. They don’t lift your cheekbones. They don’t change eye area recession. At best, they can support a process that’s already happenin, if the other systems are optimized.
So if you want real change with peptides, you are going to need some very high dosages of peptides, with comes with great sides effects.

I’m not saying that peptides are shit, but running them as the foundation is retarded.


The only peptides you need-

-HGH for muscles and skin (maybe height and bone if you dose it higher than 10 iu a day).

-Retatrutide for weight loss.

- GHK-Cu and maybe even BPC-157 for skin, collagen.

That’s it, you don’t need to get your cycle to resolve around peptides. It’s all about hierarchy.

Your best cycle to do (goal-dependent tho) is HGH, anavar and testosterone.

Ancillaires - GHK-Cu, accutane, RU (and dut if you’re done with puberty) and an AI.

Peptides are great, but stop treating them like the foundation.

AMA if you didn’t understand or want to know about peptides more.

@Copercel @kazama

10 ius a day is retarded bro

 

[nik.077]

someone needed to say this.

Mirin brah.

why did you change your name?

 

[slaters]

10 ius a day is retarded bro

What do you know?

 

[underatedgreycel]

What do you know?

Ig ur right. Im pinning soon tho

 

[Copercel]

why did you change your name?

I only changed the “123” that was in my name.

 

[jeff1234]

10 ius a day is retarded bro

How?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

This short thread is going to offend people. Good. The peptide circlejerk on this forum has gotten completely out of control. Every new guy thinks they’re going to fix their bone structure or lean their face just by injecting some random copper peptide or growth hormone mimetic. Half of you can’t even explain what a peptide is, let alone how it works.
Let’s set the record straight. Peptides aren’t trash, they’re useful, but they are nowhere near the most important part of a serious looksmaxxing stack. If they’re the centerpiece of your plan, you don’t have a real plan.

There Is No Documented Case of Someone Transforming Their Facial Structure with Peptides Alone:
Every decent-looking “before/after” you’ve seen floating around this forum is an absolute fraud.they just lost weight, frauded, camera angle maxed and probably even edited some of their pics. Peptides don’t shift bone. They don’t lift your cheekbones. They don’t change eye area recession. At best, they can support a process that’s already happenin, if the other systems are optimized.
So if you want real change with peptides, you are going to need some very high dosages of peptides, with comes with great sides effects.

I’m not saying that peptides are shit, but running them as the foundation is retarded.


The only peptides you need-

-HGH for muscles and skin (maybe height and bone if you dose it higher than 10 iu a day).

Hgh alone for bone is genuine dogshit. Only gonna end up uglier with a big ass nose and dumbo ears.

Your best cycle to do (goal-dependent tho) is HGH, anavar and testosterone.

I believe nandrolone to be far superior to anavar and test in terms of bone relative to hair, skin and other androgenic effects
Would like to hear your opinion on this though

 

[kazama]

I agree, ppl here dont even do the basics and theyre already trying to take things like that lol
Like "yeah bro, just take GH peptides" nigga dont even sleep lol

10 ius a day is retarded bro

Hes talking abt peptides. This shit aint pure gh

 

[kazama]

Bump

 

[bttb]

Hes talking abt peptides. This shit aint pure gh

He's def talking about hgh

 

[mogging2eternity]

good thread

 

[jeff1234]

Hgh alone for bone is genuine dogshit. Only gonna end up uglier with a big ass nose and dumbo ears.

It’s indeed retard. But made it clear for people here that you can’t get bonemass from HGH unless you’re blasting it.

I believe nandrolone to be far superior to anavar and test in terms of bone relative to hair, skin and other androgenic effects
Would like to hear your opinion on this though

If depends on what you’re trying to get out of it tbh.
Nandrolone is way stronger but “stronger” doesn’t always mean better. You get better results out of nandrolone but with greater side effects.
Anavar is almost side effects free, and the sides you DO get from it are reversible.
Anavar mogs imo.

If you’re talking about them for bones, then it’s something else, i didn’t talk about how anavar is good for bones, I meant that it’s good for muscle mass.
But if you ARE talking about bone growth from then both are shit for it, it already won’t grow you any noticeable bonemass-

Nandrolone converts to DHN, which is a weak ass androgen in comparison to DHT. That’s bad for facial bone growth

Also you’re not getting “just bone effects” and skipping hair/skin. Nandrolone’s low androgenic rating is due to weak DHN at the skin, hair, CNS, but that includes bonemass in face aswell.
So you’re not getting a “bonus”. you’re getting a blunted androgen effect everywhere, not selective targeting of bone.

 

[nik.077]

I only changed the “123” that was in my name.

yes but why? or can you change your name for free

 

[jeff1234]

Hes talking abt peptides. This shit aint pure gh

I talk about HGH.

 

[Copercel]

yes but why? or can you change your name for free

I don’t know, I didn’t like it.

 

[Copercel]

What do you know?

Not much probably.

 

[kazama]

I talk about HGH.

mb, interpreting things in english is difficult

 

[jeff1234]

mb, interpreting things in english is difficult

That’s fine.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

It’s indeed retard. But made it clear for people here that you can’t get bonemass from HGH unless you’re blasting it.

I disagree tbh. My caveat for hgh lies with solely with the fact that replying too heavily on the igf-1 pathway will simply make you ugly/acromegalic

Higher doses of hgh=/=higher igf

If depends on what you’re trying to get out of it tbh.
Nandrolone is way stronger but “stronger” doesn’t always mean better. You get better results out of nandrolone but with greater side effects.
Anavar is almost side effects free, and the sides you DO get from it are reversible.
Anavar mogs imo.

If you’re talking about them for bones, then it’s something else, i didn’t talk about how anavar is good for bones, I meant that it’s good for muscle mass.
But if you ARE talking about bone growth from then both are shit for it, it already won’t grow you any noticeable bonemass-

Yes. You would need fo target different pathways simultaneously

Nandrolone converts to DHN, which is a weak ass androgen in comparison to DHT. That’s bad for facial bone growth

Also you’re not getting “just bone effects” and skipping hair/skin. Nandrolone’s low androgenic rating is due to weak DHN at the skin, hair, CNS, but that includes bonemass in face aswell.

5ar expression is a lot higher in scalp tissue and near nonexistent in cortical bone. This means that the only dhn that will bind in bone is near negligible

Infact we do have rodent data to support nandrolone being more potent mg for mg than Testosterone and its downstream metabolites in cortical bone

DHN is also dogshit for building muscle so if the systemic effect of dhn was significant it would make nandrolone an ineffective steroid

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

It’s indeed retard. But made it clear for people here that you can’t get bonemass from HGH unless you’re blasting it.

I disagree tbh. My caveat for hgh through solely the igf-1 pathway will simply make you ugly.

Higher doses of hgh=/=higher igf

If depends on what you’re trying to get out of it tbh.
Nandrolone is way stronger but “stronger” doesn’t always mean better. You get better results out of nandrolone but with greater side effects.
Anavar is almost side effects free, and the sides you DO get from it are reversible.
Anavar mogs imo.

If you’re talking about them for bones, then it’s something else, i didn’t talk about how anavar is good for bones, I meant that it’s good for muscle mass.
But if you ARE talking about bone growth from then both are shit for it, it already won’t grow you any noticeable bonemass-

Yes. You would need fo target different pathways simultaneously

Nandrolone converts to DHN, which is a weak ass androgen in comparison to DHT. That’s bad for facial bone growth

Also you’re not getting “just bone effects” and skipping hair/skin. Nandrolone’s low androgenic rating is due to weak DHN at the skin, hair, CNS, but that includes bonemass in face aswell.

5ar expression is a lot higher in scalp tissue and near nonexistent in cortical bone. This means that the only dhn that will bind in bone is near negligible.

So you’re not getting a “bonus”. you’re getting a blunted androgen effect everywhere, not selective targeting of bone.

DHN is only really relevant in the scalp as thats a 5ar dense area. So we essentially are. This is why I preach nandrolone so much.
Its the only steroid which retains most its androgenic benefits while also mitigating essentially all its risks for hairloss

Infact we do have rodent data to support nandrolone being more potent mg for mg than Testosterone and its downstream metabolites in cortical bone

DHN is also dogshit for building muscle so if the systemic effect of dhn was significant it would make nandrolone an in

 

[jeff1234]

I disagree tbh. My caveat for hgh through solely the igf-1 pathway will simply make you ugly.

Higher doses of hgh=/=higher igf

Yeah, I never said GH through IGF-1 is some perfect path. It’s bloated tissue unless you combine it with other stuff. My point was you gotta mega-dose to even get anything structural, and even then, most of what people think they’re getting is just water face and soft tissue spread.
True. GH sensitivity caps out quick. That’s why people blasting 12 IU still look like melted candle wax instead of grown men. IGF-1 peaks and sides just keep compounding. That’s the problem, it’s not scalable.

Yes. You would need fo target different pathways simultaneously

Exactly. Which is why pinning a single peptide thinking it’s gonna rebuild your orbital rim is peak delusion. If someone actually wants change, they need to “attack” it from multiple angles - GH, androgens, mechanical load, probably surgery too. Not one fucking peptide.

5ar expression is a lot higher in scalp tissue and near nonexistent in cortical bone. This means that the only dhn that will bind in bone is near negligible.

Fair. I undersold nandrolone in bone. DHN ain’t forming where there’s no 5AR, which means nand stays active in bone and could be more anabolic there than I gave credit.

DHN is only really relevant in the scalp as thats a 5ar dense area. So we essentially are. This is why I preach nandrolone so much.
Its the only steroid which retains most its androgenic benefits while also mitigating essentially all its risks for hairloss

Infact we do have rodent data to support nandrolone being more potent mg for mg than Testosterone and its downstream metabolites in cortical bone

DHN is also dogshit for building muscle so if the systemic effect of dhn was significant it would make nandrolone an in

But rodent femur mass ain’t human cheekbones. Doesn’t translate aesthetic-wise. Bone density ≠ visible change. Nand may have use if someone’s old and osteopenic, but it’s not building noticeable bonemass.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Yeah, I never said GH through IGF-1 is some perfect path. It’s bloated tissue unless you combine it with other stuff. My point was you gotta mega-dose to even get anything structural, and even then, most of what people think they’re getting is just water face and soft tissue spread.
True. GH sensitivity caps out quick. That’s why people blasting 12 IU still look like melted candle wax instead of grown men. IGF-1 peaks and sides just keep compounding. That’s the problem — it’s not scalable.

100% agree with everything

Exactly. Which is why pinning a single peptide thinking it’s gonna rebuild your orbital rim is peak delusion. If someone actually wants change, they need to “attack” it from multiple angles - GH, androgens, mechanical load, probably surgery too. Not one fucking peptide.

Tbh, not even GH + androgens seems to do the trick.
Most BBs are ugly as fuck

Fair. I undersold nandrolone in bone. DHN ain’t forming where there’s no 5AR, which means nand stays active in bone and could be more anabolic there than I gave credit.

But rodent femur mass ain’t human cheekbones. Doesn’t translate aesthetic-wise. Bone density ≠ visible change. Nand may have use if someone’s old and osteopenic, but it’s not building noticeable bonemass.

Yep. Nanny alone aint doing shit for a grown ass man.
Only one small part of the puzzle

 

[Inquisitor]

It’s indeed retard. But made it clear for people here that you can’t get bonemass from HGH unless you’re blasting it.

If depends on what you’re trying to get out of it tbh.
Nandrolone is way stronger but “stronger” doesn’t always mean better. You get better results out of nandrolone but with greater side effects.
Anavar is almost side effects free, and the sides you DO get from it are reversible.
Anavar mogs imo.

If you’re talking about them for bones, then it’s something else, i didn’t talk about how anavar is good for bones, I meant that it’s good for muscle mass.
But if you ARE talking about bone growth from then both are shit for it, it already won’t grow you any noticeable bonemass-

Nandrolone converts to DHN, which is a weak ass androgen in comparison to DHT. That’s bad for facial bone growth

Also you’re not getting “just bone effects” and skipping hair/skin. Nandrolone’s low androgenic rating is due to weak DHN at the skin, hair, CNS, but that includes bonemass in face aswell.
So you’re not getting a “bonus”. you’re getting a blunted androgen effect everywhere, not selective targeting of bone.

+ It has been shown that Anavar induces greater secretion of igf-1 locally in growth plates, and has been used for cdgp (constitutional delay in growth and puberty) affected children to help them grow taller and develop, and even after discontinuing its usage the bone mineralization % remained increased compared to the control group, as well as a big rebound effect in test (Anavar still suppresses test nonetheless, so watch out or couple with something like enclomiphene)

 

[jeff1234]

(Anavar still suppresses test nonetheless, so watch out or couple with something like enclomiphene)

It was firm until you said this.


Your LH suppression that is caused by the anavar is going to reactivate after 1-3 months (dose dependent) after stopping the anavar. You don’t need enclo.

 

[Inquisitor]

It was firm until you said this.


Your LH suppression that is caused by the anavar is going to reactivate after 1-3 months (dose dependent) after stopping the anavar. You don’t need enclo.

I use to take 10mg Oxandrolone + 12.5mg enclo ED and my test levels remained 17ng above my usual baseline, plus recovering from the HOTA axis suppression of Anavar doesnt take 3 months, at most it take 1 month.