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TL;DR: For Ethnics or Whites with Niche Phenos (gingers, arguably white looking Arabs could fall in this category as well) High Strikingness is actually more important than High Averageness in terms of actually successful broad appeal, but High Averageness can help you if you are LTN-MTN only trying to nichemaxx for women who generally have a bias towards your race/pheno (but these are a minority of women).
This is a theory I've recently developed after years of reading the same studies people spam on these forums and youtube videos, and hearing the same arguments over and over where people would say how High Averageness is a hallmark of objective facial aesthetics (true) and that without it you look uncanny/low appeal (cope).
It clicked for me when I was watching a WheatWaffles stream with some East Asian guy, and the East Asian guy talked about how studies show people have much greater difficulty distinguishing between faces of other races, and that this is true for all races. This is water, we all have seen these studies before (though I think not being able to tell faces apart is also a cue for low IQ lol). But the thing is, people never bring this up in arguments about averageness vs strikingness, when they absolutely should because High Averageness directly contributes to higher Racial Face Blindness.
Now on one hand what this means is that yes, this on it's surface is a benefit to most men with a race/pheno that some women from another race/pheno find attractive because a 5-6/10 woman has a harder time recognizing the precise attractiveness level of a 4/10 guy, but what she definitely knows is that he is her type. So imagine the cliche oxford study, lanky LTN-MTN white guy in STEM with no game who gets a MTB-HTB asian american woman, or some LTN mestizo latino guy who gets a white MTB because he has "exotic" appeal. But this runs into a few issues, 1) this only applies to the select few women who have a very strong specific bias towards that race/pheno, meanwhile the supermajority of women will just have either a strong race/pheno loyalty for their own race/pheno, or be JBW.
And 2) this phenomenon of the combination of Racial Face Blindness + race/pheno preference, actually would be a disadvantage to the attractive men (HTN-Chadlite, arguably even HTN-Chad) of that race/pheno who women from another race/pheno find attractive. Because those women simply naturally find it more difficul to discern those men's relative attractiveness rarity, compared to her ability to discern the same for men of her own race/pheno. So Tyronelite/Mestizo Chadriguez-lite don't get the Chadlite equivalent treatment, and their LTN-MTN black/latino peers actually get higher treatment than they "deserve".
High Strikingness therefore would be a more valuable trait for men to have for interracial attractiveness, but particularly for Ethnic/Niche Pheno men (because in the majority of cases where women are not race loyal, they are JBW or have high preference towards them). This would help both with issue 1) to stand out to women who don't normally go for your race/pheno, and issue 2) if you are HTN-Chadlite Strikingness is the only way to save you from being treated similarly to your lower attractiveness same race peers just because she has a bias towards your race/pheno.
This means that these High Strikingness traits are more valuable in Ethnic/Niche Pheno men compared to white guys: striking height (6'3"+), striking frame (large shoulder breadth/joints), striking leanness (10-14% bodyfat), striking eye color (lighter color for respective race/pheno), striking physique (looking juiced).
This should all be water, what do you see black guys for example do the most for increasing their SMV? Getting jacked as much as possible and lowering their bodyfat percentage, I would argue this is literally one of the biggest reasons why black men are the only group in the USA who are less obese than the women of their own race. Just think about it for 2 seconds, if you had to ask: is physique more important for Ethnics or Whites, what would you answer? Meanwhile many of the white blackpillers spent years laughing about "muh gymcel". I would also argue that black guys understand more than other races the importance of height in slaying, while whites or asians are more likely to just say "face is king" or "only face matters", even though I agree face is most important but it's definitely not 75%+ if you are at least MTN.
This is a theory I've recently developed after years of reading the same studies people spam on these forums and youtube videos, and hearing the same arguments over and over where people would say how High Averageness is a hallmark of objective facial aesthetics (true) and that without it you look uncanny/low appeal (cope).
It clicked for me when I was watching a WheatWaffles stream with some East Asian guy, and the East Asian guy talked about how studies show people have much greater difficulty distinguishing between faces of other races, and that this is true for all races. This is water, we all have seen these studies before (though I think not being able to tell faces apart is also a cue for low IQ lol). But the thing is, people never bring this up in arguments about averageness vs strikingness, when they absolutely should because High Averageness directly contributes to higher Racial Face Blindness.
Now on one hand what this means is that yes, this on it's surface is a benefit to most men with a race/pheno that some women from another race/pheno find attractive because a 5-6/10 woman has a harder time recognizing the precise attractiveness level of a 4/10 guy, but what she definitely knows is that he is her type. So imagine the cliche oxford study, lanky LTN-MTN white guy in STEM with no game who gets a MTB-HTB asian american woman, or some LTN mestizo latino guy who gets a white MTB because he has "exotic" appeal. But this runs into a few issues, 1) this only applies to the select few women who have a very strong specific bias towards that race/pheno, meanwhile the supermajority of women will just have either a strong race/pheno loyalty for their own race/pheno, or be JBW.
And 2) this phenomenon of the combination of Racial Face Blindness + race/pheno preference, actually would be a disadvantage to the attractive men (HTN-Chadlite, arguably even HTN-Chad) of that race/pheno who women from another race/pheno find attractive. Because those women simply naturally find it more difficul to discern those men's relative attractiveness rarity, compared to her ability to discern the same for men of her own race/pheno. So Tyronelite/Mestizo Chadriguez-lite don't get the Chadlite equivalent treatment, and their LTN-MTN black/latino peers actually get higher treatment than they "deserve".
High Strikingness therefore would be a more valuable trait for men to have for interracial attractiveness, but particularly for Ethnic/Niche Pheno men (because in the majority of cases where women are not race loyal, they are JBW or have high preference towards them). This would help both with issue 1) to stand out to women who don't normally go for your race/pheno, and issue 2) if you are HTN-Chadlite Strikingness is the only way to save you from being treated similarly to your lower attractiveness same race peers just because she has a bias towards your race/pheno.
This means that these High Strikingness traits are more valuable in Ethnic/Niche Pheno men compared to white guys: striking height (6'3"+), striking frame (large shoulder breadth/joints), striking leanness (10-14% bodyfat), striking eye color (lighter color for respective race/pheno), striking physique (looking juiced).
This should all be water, what do you see black guys for example do the most for increasing their SMV? Getting jacked as much as possible and lowering their bodyfat percentage, I would argue this is literally one of the biggest reasons why black men are the only group in the USA who are less obese than the women of their own race. Just think about it for 2 seconds, if you had to ask: is physique more important for Ethnics or Whites, what would you answer? Meanwhile many of the white blackpillers spent years laughing about "muh gymcel". I would also argue that black guys understand more than other races the importance of height in slaying, while whites or asians are more likely to just say "face is king" or "only face matters", even though I agree face is most important but it's definitely not 75%+ if you are at least MTN.
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