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18 vs 19 years old.
Most changes were caused by maxilla rotation. Masseter training + hgh also helped with my gonial angle and chin recession.

I'm still a horsefaced chinlet with shit facial convexity. Double jaw surgery + orbital implants is the next step.
 
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which one is current
 
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theres no difference you fucking idiot i wouldve thought the second picture but its literally a descension
oh no I thought you were genuinely asking so calm it down buster :feelskek:
 
theres no difference you fucking idiot i wouldve thought the second picture but its literally a descension
Mind explaining instead of just rage baiting?
 
Mind explaining instead of just rage baiting?
explain what exactly? the only thing that changed was your skin quality and negatively not positively
 
bro u descended ur hairs a lot more frizzy and black doesnt suit u as well as brown and plus ur skin is a lot worse with black hair (wait is the brown hair the ascension?)
 
ur facing slightly down in the first pic and your hair is covering your ramus it's pretty fucking hard to see your gonial angle
I was looking the same direction my face was literally just downswung. Not like it matters since looking up or down won't change your facial convexity or gonial angle. You're right about the hair but trust me I had a midget ramus
 
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18 vs 19 years old.
Most changes were caused by maxilla rotation. Masseter training + hgh also helped with my gonial angle and chin recession.

I'm still a horsefaced chinlet with shit facial convexity. Double jaw surgery + orbital implants is the next step.
Not bad for masseter training did you chew on your premolars?
 
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18 vs 19 years old.
Most changes were caused by maxilla rotation. Masseter training + hgh also helped with my gonial angle and chin recession.

I'm still a horsefaced chinlet with shit facial convexity. Double jaw surgery + orbital implants is the next step.
Got any frontal pic changes? Curious how this affected ur bigonial width and jaw frontal angle?
 
I was looking the same direction my face was literally just downswung. Not like it matters since looking up or down won't change your facial convexity or gonial angle. You're right about the hair but trust me I had a midget ramus
okay i had to look a bit harder, i apologize. your hair covered most of your face so it was kinda hard to tell. you were looking SLIGHTLY downward but not enough to make a significant difference, your results are good and i wish you luck on your ascension.
 
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Got any frontal pic changes? Curious how this affected ur bigonial width and jaw frontal angle?
I'm not going to post frontal pictures because I'm highkey insecure. But to answer your question, my jaw width and chin did become wider.
 
I'm not going to post frontal pictures because I'm highkey insecure. But to answer your question, my jaw width and chin did become wider.
I'm not one to judge though I can certainly understand others here would. If ur more comfortable DMs could work too if that's better. In any case solid ascension.
 
Normal expanders still cause some forwards movement and rotation. Just not as much
doesnt a 3 way mostly cause dental tipping in the frontal teeth? My ortho told me the most expansion is in the back palate which pushes the zygomas forward. Found a facebook convo between an ortho and a dentist, seems to be talking about this too:
 
doesnt a 3 way mostly cause dental tipping in the frontal teeth? My ortho told me the most expansion is in the back palate which pushes the zygomas forward. Found a facebook convo between an ortho and a dentist, seems to be talking about this too:

A 3 way exerts pressure on the pre-maxilla pushing the anterior segment forwards. But if your skull is already fully developed, you'll only see changes towards the teeth.
 
if you were 17 your skull mustve been fully developed tho right
 
It was mostly covered by insurance since I needed it. I'm not sure of the exact cost because my parents paid for it anyways.
bruuuh why didn't i find out about this earlier, now i have a hyrax:feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswah:
 
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theres no difference you fucking idiot i wouldve thought the second picture but its literally a descension
There is definitely some significant change in gonial angle , i dont say its more aesthetic tho
 

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