Sufism is beautiful, sufi zikr makes your soul feel at ease

[Deleted member 16384]

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What is it?
Like I know it’s more of a spiritual sect of Islam but that’s all I know Bhai jaani

 

[Danish_Retard]

CCP is beautiful, Xi Jinping makes your soul feel at ease

@Collagen or rope

 

[Deleted member 16384]

What is it?
Like I know it’s more of a spiritual sect of Islam but that’s all I know Bhai jaani

It's a spiritual gathering where you gather your energy to remember God

This people in this gathering belong to Qadiri silsila (order ) . Although it doesn't happen in this video, sometimes people lose their consciousness in such gathering and enter a trance state and experience spiritual ecstasy

It's called haal

 

[Looksmax Refugee]

bid'ah

 

[Deleted member 16384]

bid'ah

No, I can bring a hadith

As for dancing, Imam Ahmad relates from Anas (Allah be well pleased with him), with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim, that the Ethiopians danced in front of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace); dancing and saying [in their language], “Muhammad (pbuh) is a righteous servant.” The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “What are they saying?” And they said, “‘Muhammad (pbuh) is a righteous servant’” (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad. 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 3.152)."

 

[Deleted member 15674]

you're a sufi? cringe

 

[Deleted member 16384]

you're a sufi? cringe

I am a sinner (fasiq) , far from a sufi but l love every single sufi saint and l do read their books and follow them to the extent it's possible.

Sufism, ihsan is the heart of Islam

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

It's a spiritual gathering where you gather your energy to remember God

This people in this gathering belong to Qadiri silsila (order ) . Although it doesn't happen in this video, sometimes people lose their consciousness in such gathering and enter a trance state and experience spiritual ecstasy

It's called haal

Intresting, it seems like a siance are you sure they are praying to god as usually when people lose consciousness when praying it’s due to demons entering them. But if you mean they sing for so long in happiness that they become tired and lose consciousness then I get you just never heard of anything regarding this in a abrahamic religion

Are Sufi like monks? Are they more religious than other Muslims

 

[Deleted member 15674]

I am a sinner (fasiq) , far from a sufi but l love every single sufi saint and l do read their books and follow them to the extent it's possible.

Sufism, ihsan is the heart of Islam

sufis literally smoke weed because they think it will bring them closer to god jfl

 

[Deleted member 16384]

sufis literally smoke weed because they think it will bring them closer to god jfl

No smoking weed is haram as it's a hallucinogen

Sufis follow Shariah strictly

If you violate shariah , you are not even following the basic rules, forget sufism

In this path, you die before death. You kill your nafs, lower desires and become closer to God as a result

 

[CupOfCoffee]

bid'ah

Oh yes let's bring the Sufi-Salafi debate to the Looksmax community

 

[AllesScheiße]

Oh yes let's bring the Sufi-Salafi debate to the Looksmax community

Salafis are on the right in this one

 

[Deleted member 16384]

Oh yes let's bring the Sufi-Salafi debate to the Looksmax community

Salafis are too dry for me

Sufis are always 100 steps ahead

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Salafis are on the right in this one

Islam isnt true anyways @Baldingman1998

 

[Deleted member 16384]

Salafis are on the right in this one

No, salafism came into existence in 1800s, it's a literalist low IQ take on deep concepts of Islam. They ignore tradition and scholarship the most ironically

 

[Albeacho]

No, salafism came into existence in 1800s, it's a literalist low IQ take on deep concepts of Islam. They ignore tradition and scholarship the most ironically

Agreed and a lot of times they promote terrorism

 

[Deleted member 16384]

Islam isnt true anyways @Baldingman1998

Another murtad , that's why migration to west isn't recommended. Now I see the wisdom. It's not for weaklings

 

[Albeacho]

@DIONYSIAN JBSLAYER what is your opinon on shias?

 

[Deleted member 16384]

@DIONYSIAN JBSLAYER what is your opinon on shias?

As long as they don't curse companions, I don't mind them. Salafi hatred is actually fueled by anti Persian racism. It's dividing the ummah more and more.

 

[Deleted member 16384]

Isn’t sufism bid’ah akhi?

I have quoted a hadith to back this practice, it can't be biddat. Anyways, every sufi order traces its practice back to the Prophet (pbuh).

 

[Looksmax Refugee]

Isn’t sufism bid’ah akhi?

It is. I'm dissappinted op doesn't realized that.

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Another murtad , that's why migration to west isn't recommended. Now I see the wisdom. It's not for weaklings

It's literally a made-up desert religion just like Judaism and Christianity, there are so many indicators that the revelations are not scientifically correct and many times Muhammad would conveniently say verses to get what he wants in a certain situation. Plus, you would hate Islamic rule if it was implemented where you live.

 

[Deleted member 16384]

It is. I'm dissappinted op doesn't realized that.

Anyways Salafis are in the minority. Sufis have always been the majority. If l discussed the philosophy of Ibn Arabi, you may excommunicate me .

Salafism was spread by Petro dollars

Check this video

Salafi fallacy

 

[Deleted member 16384]

I read the hadith, The prophet himself never engaged in such practices. I also don’t think that he approved of it. What do the major ullema say of this?

If the Prophet (pbuh) doesn't stop an act happening in front of him, it's allowed. This is a principle of Fiqh, jurisprudence. Cause the Prophet (pbuh) will always stops a wrong deed and correct people.

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Proof of your claims?

There are whole websites dedicated to my claims, I don't need to cite everything Everytime I bring up the subject

 

[sytyl]

if you're going to be muslim, do it right, none of this cope quranist, sufi, shia etc. stuff

seriously wtf is this



it's the equivalent of christians picking and choosing their religion, morals and practises and coping with muh jesus loves you

 

[Albeacho]

@Looksmax Refugee Are you boneless wierdo that I once use to know?

 

[Deleted member 16384]

if you're going to be muslim, do it right, none of this cope quranist, sufi, shia etc. stuff

seriously wtf is this



it's the equivalent of christians picking and choosing their religion and coping with muh jesus loves you

This is not wrong, they are remembering God. Read the hadith l quoted

Anyways the ummah will have 73 sects as prophesied, its unavoidable. We accept the fact we will disagree. No perfectionist pretention

 

[Looksmax Refugee]

@Looksmax Refugee Are you boneless wierdo that I once use to know?

Yes

 

[Albeacho]

Yes

Welcome back

 

[Albeacho]

shia

Shiasm is just Following the prophet, quran and the ahlubait

 

[Deleted member 16984]

They're summoning demons

 

[Deleted member 16384]

I’m not very knowledgeable, but my teachers in the mosque used to say that the sufis are diverted from the straight path in some ways.

Ofc lol, I can see you are from a salafi background but every side has arguments and evidence. We should accept our differences and not make a big deal out of it.

 

[sytyl]

Anyways the ummah will have 73 sects as prophesied, its unavoidable. We accept the fact we will disagree. No perfectionist pretention

yes, and you are one who is part of a sect

sunni prescribing to hanafi or the 3 other schools of jurisprudence or you're coping hard about islam

Shiasm is just Following the prophet, quran and the ahlubait

iran was sunni before being forced into shiism by ismail, if we get down to the nitty gritty of it on a scholarly level, a shia who is closest to islam is a shia who is basically a sunni (even nader shah was crypto sunni and heavily sunni sympathizing for example lol)

not saying they aren't muslim btw, just saying that from my perspective, if you're going to be religious, you might as well do it right, and doing it "right" based on every source out there and historical narratives, is basically being a sunni who follows the middle path as they say

 

[Deleted member 16384]

Shiasm is just Following the prophet, quran and the ahlubait

Jfl at this thread

Non Muslim vs Muslim

Sufi vs salafi

Sunni vs Shia

Just enjoy the Zikr lmao, no point arguing, u wont convince anyone here, pointless ego stroking

 

[Looksmax Refugee]

Niggas are on this forum to slay but at the same time are scholars of islam

 

[Albeacho]

iran was sunni before being forced into shiism by ismail, if we get down to the nitty gritty of it on a scholarly level, a shia who is closest to islam is a shia who is basically a sunni (even nader shah was crypto sunni and heavily sunni sympathizing for example lol)

not saying they aren't muslim btw, just saying that from my perspective, if you're going to be religious, you might as well do it right

I agree to some extent but respecting and following the ahlubait is heavily advised by the prophet and islam, overall There is no major difference between shiasm and sunnism.

 

[Deleted member 16384]

yes, and you are one who is part of a sect

sunni prescribing to hanafi or the 3 other schools of jurisprudence or you're coping hard about islam

Calm down, u can be a hanafi and sufi at the same time. One is a school of jurisprudence, the other group is a spiritual school.

Niggas are on this forum to slay but at the same time are scholars of islam

Cagefuel, Its like having an Islamic debate in a bar

 

[Albeacho]

People around me are very anti shia, Including my own father, grandfather. However my best friend is a shia from azerbajian he is more level headed and comes from a nice familiy, he doesn’t hate sunni’s, so I like shia’s tbh. I never understood the hate.

The hate is fueled by salafis as Op said, Most anti shia people don't have much knowledge about actual shia beliefs. They accuse us of insulting the prophets companions and wife which is absolutely bullshit. Especially the prophets wife, I would never dare to do such a thing.

 

[Albeacho]

This people in this gathering belong to Qadiri silsila (order ) . Although it doesn't happen in this video, sometimes people lose their consciousness in such gathering and enter a trance state and experience spiritual ecstasy

Can I do this too if Im a sinner?

 

[Deleted member 16384]

Intresting, it seems like a siance are you sure they are praying to god as usually when people lose consciousness when praying it’s due to demons entering them. But if you mean they sing for so long in happiness that they become tired and lose consciousness then I get you just never heard of anything regarding this in a abrahamic religion

Are Sufi like monks? Are they more religious than other Muslims

It isn't demon cause the state of haal is actually really enjoyable. Haal happens when the theophany of God descends on the heart and its mentioned in the bible and Quran, how Moses (pbuh) and his followers collapsed on a Mountain when God send a theophany on the mountain Toor . It's found in Abrahamic religion

 

[Huge غرور]

These retards think dancing is dhikr hahahhh thats why sufis have the highest rate of faggots its because they like seeing other men shake their ass

 

[Deleted member 14160]

People look at the Sufism at its surface, see dancing (which isn't even that important of a practice vs zikr) and think it's heresy.

Read about the Saints such as Rabia, Rumi, Jilani, Bulleh Shah, Kubra, and you'll realize they're the true Muslims and the rest of us are insects in comparison to their devotion and knowledge.

 

[Deleted member 16384]

These retards think dancing is dhikr hahahhh thats why sufis have the highest rate of faggots its because they like seeing other men shake their ass

Remembering God in a circle and dancing is bad according to you

is this good lmao ???






DANCING WITH DONALD TRUMP

@Albeacho @ForeverRecession

 

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Remembering God in a circle and dancing is bad according to you

is this good lmao ???



@Albeacho @ForeverRecession

Youre coping hard retard. Dancing for entertainment is not the same as dancin as a form of prayer. This is what sufism does to your brain retard

 

[Deleted member 16384]

Youre coping hard retard. Dancing for entertainment is not the same as dancin as a form of prayer. This is what sufism does to your brain retard

Dancing with non muslims , eg Donald Trump= allowed, lol at your hypocrisy and double standards

And they are not praying salah, they are doing zikr which doesn't fix conditions on bodily movements

It's allowed and read the hadith l quoted in the beginning and repent

 

[Huge غرور]

Dancing with non muslims = allowed

And they are not praying salah, they are doing zikr which doesn't fix conditions on bodily movements

It's allowed and read the hadith l quoted in the beginning and repent

Youre literally braindead, where does it say dancing for dhikr is allowed you fucking retard? Show me a single hadith where it is said the prophet sws sahaba or tabieen danced for dhikr?

It feels like im debating a woman youre fucking braindead

 

[Deleted member 16384]

Youre literally braindead, where does it say dancing for dhikr is allowed you fucking retard? Show me a single hadith where it is said the prophet sws sahaba or tabieen danced for dhikr?

It feels like im debating a woman youre fucking braindead

As for dancing, Imam Ahmad relates from Anas (Allah be well pleased with him), with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim, that the Ethiopians danced in front of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace); dancing and saying [in their language], “Muhammad (pbuh) is a righteous servant.” The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “What are they saying?” And they said, “‘Muhammad (pbuh) is a righteous servant’” (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad. 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 3.152)."

 

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As for dancing, Imam Ahmad relates from Anas (Allah be well pleased with him), with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim, that the Ethiopians danced in front of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace); dancing and saying [in their language], “Muhammad (pbuh) is a righteous servant.” The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “What are they saying?” And they said, “‘Muhammad (pbuh) is a righteous servant’” (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad. 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 3.152)."

And how is this dikhr you fucking retard?

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The scholars interpreted it as referring to their leaping with their weapons and playing with their spears in a manner similar to dancing, because in most of the reports it says that they were playing with their spears. So this wording (dancing) is to be interpreted in a manner that is in accordance with the other reports.

End quote from Sharh Muslim by an-Nawawi (6/186)

There is nothing whatsoever in the actions of the leading scholars and narrators of hadeeth or in the manner in which they classified the hadeeth to support the idea of dancing when remembering Allah (performing dhikr); rather they all included this hadeeth under headings such as “playing on Eid” or “relaxation in Islam” and so on.

Al-Bukhaari included the hadeeth of ‘Aaishah in a chapter entitled “Chapter on those who played with spears in the mosque”

He included the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah in a chapter entitled “Chapter on playing with spears and the like”.

Abu Dawood included the hadeeth of Anas in a chapter entitled “Chapter on the prohibition on singing”

An-Nasaa’i included the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah in a chapter entitled “Playing in the mosque on the day of Eid, and women watching that”

An-Nawawi included it in a chapter in Sharh Muslim entitled “Chapter on the concession allowing play in which there is no sin on the days of Eid