supplements for near non-natty performance (opinion pls)

[garoupilled_]

My current supplement stack I've been working on for near non-natty status:

8mg of boron (raises free test by 30%)
turkesterone
5g creatine
5g glutamine
5g arginine for vascularity
k2
gamma oryzanol
cyanotis vaga
ashwagandha
long jack
ksm66
ginkgo biloba
tongkat ali
fadogia agrestis

What are your guy's thoughts? Would you add anything? My objective is to testmaxx and clean bulk for maximum gains

 

[2d v2]

My current supplement stack I've been working on for near non-natty status:

8mg of boron (raises free test by 30%)
turkesterone
5g creatine
5g glutamine
5g arginine for vascularity
k2
gamma oryzanol
cyanotis vaga
ashwagandha
long jack
ksm66
ginkgo biloba
tongkat ali
fadogia agrestis

What are your guy's thoughts? Would you add anything? My objective is to testmaxx and clean bulk for maximum gains

I remember taking a whole shitload of supplements like that a couple years ago. They did raise my test up a lot and my voice sounded remarkably deep, but a few times I took the supps, went to work, then puked them all up into the trash can in the bathroom.

Id say just go with the creatine, maybe ashwaghanda a few days, not every day, k2, l-carnnitine, shilajiit and boron.

Also what study does it say boron raised test up by 30 percent??

 

[garoupilled_]

I remember taking a whole shitload of supplements like that a couple years ago. They did raise my test up a lot and my voice sounded remarkably deep, but a few times I took the supps, went to work, then puked them all up into the trash can in the bathroom.

Id say just go with the creatine, maybe ashwaghanda a few days, not every day, k2, l-carnnitine, shilajiit and boron.

Also what study does it say boron raised test up by 30 percent??

Look it up you'll find some articles, but I think I was only free test

 

[Artbreeder Is Law]

Im natty, i train to be aesthetic so lean and nice to look at but natty lifting is a joke in 2023 but your supplements seem to be strong enough as it is.

 

[garoupilled_]

Im natty, i train to be aesthetic so lean and nice to look at but natty lifting is a joke in 2023 but your supplements seem to be strong enough as it is.

I agree that staying natty in 2023 is a waste of time but I'm getting back at the gym rn after a 1y hiatus so blasting roids right away just doesn't seem right. My test level is currently at 900 ng and I think I may be able to get it up to 1200-1400ish with these supplements if you give me 6 months of time, Id consider roids or sarms afterwards. Do you have any recommendations for those? What would you do in my place

 

[Artbreeder Is Law]

I agree that staying natty in 2023 is a waste of time but I'm getting back at the gym rn after a 1y hiatus so blasting roids right away just doesn't seem right. My test level is currently at 900 ng and I think I may be able to get it up to 1200-1400ish with these supplements if you give me 6 months of time, Id consider roids or sarms afterwards. Do you have any recommendations for those? What would you do in my place

If you want to go higher and use roids you should do some blood tests first because there is not much else that could make you progress further.