Surely maxillary impaction should shorten midface

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Maxillary impaction is used to treat gummy smile. But surely if the cut is as high as this, then the base of the nose would also move up, reducing nose height and midface length:
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Because you can see that the cut is made above the base of the nose
 
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no it doesnt
 
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there's also the soft tissue factor. moving the maxilla upwards won't necessarily mean that the soft tissue on top of it will move along with it
 
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Bro why are you sharing this info for free?
 
there's also the soft tissue factor. moving the maxilla upwards won't necessarily mean that the soft tissue on top of it will move along with it
Yeah I've always wondered that. How does it change even with something progressive like mse tho?
 
You can't do that shit the excess soft tissues will have to go somewhere
 
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You can't do that shit the excess soft tissues will have to go somewhere
It's a legitimate surgery. What happens to the soft tissue in bimax then?
 
there's also the soft tissue factor. moving the maxilla upwards won't necessarily mean that the soft tissue on top of it will move along with it
Bro do little math, same lenght soft tissue will be perceived shorter in a upward rotatex maxilla
 
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Bro do little math, same lenght soft tissue will be perceived shorter in a upward rotatex maxilla
the image in the OP doesn't show any type of rotation though ?
 
It's a legitimate surgery. What happens to the soft tissue in bimax then?
It's mostly CCW rotation
The septum's base is not shortened but rather pushed forward, impact on soft tissues is minimal
 
It's a legitimate surgery. What happens to the soft tissue in bimax then?
Hence why long midface can be easily fixed UNLESS the nose length is causing it.
 
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It's mostly CCW rotation
The septum's base is not shortened but rather pushed forward, impact on soft tissues is minimal
What? The soft tissue of the face. When the jaws are moved forward, the skin is gonna be stretched and uncomfortable
 
Hence why long midface can be easily fixed UNLESS the nose length is causing it.
No. The one I posted is. Look at where the cut is made
 
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tfw when you literally got to open up your skull and make a cut in it and risk major damage if your surgeon fucks up, just to have a chance at a normal life.
 
tfw when you literally got to open up your skull and make a cut in it and risk major damage if your surgeon fucks up, just to have a chance at a normal life.
It's optional. Only retards think you can't live a normal life without being attractive
 
It's optional. Only retards think you can't live a normal life without being attractive
Depends on your definition of "normal" tbh. In the 1950s, getting a relationship with a woman was considered perfectly "normal" and you would be weird if you didn't ever experience it. Now in 2020, incel is definitely the new "normal" though, so ascending is really not to be normal, but to be above normal. Above average.
 
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Depends on your definition of "normal" tbh. In the 1950s, getting a relationship with a woman was considered perfectly "normal" and you would be weird if you didn't ever experience it. Now in 2020, incel is definitely the new "normal" though, so ascending is really not to be normal, but to be above normal. Above average.
Yeah but I personally don't agree with the pessimistic psl viewpoint. Obviously it's nice to be attractive, hence why I'm trying to find out ways to become more attractive. But it shouldn't define u. There are plenty of unattractive happy people. Just my thoughts
 
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Yeah but I personally don't agree with the pessimistic psl viewpoint. Obviously it's nice to be attractive, hence why I'm trying to find out ways to become more attractive. But it shouldn't define u. There are plenty of unattractive happy people. Just my thoughts
Yeah, I agree. The only reason for being on this forum is to looksmax, and become as good looking as you possibly can so I respect your viewpoint. I personally don't judge people by their looks, if I did I would hate plenty of people in my life. It's society and human biology that judges everyone by looks. You can either go the route of trying to gain happiness from yourself, and other things besides your looks. Or you can try and make up for the bad cards that you were dealt by improving your looks. The only reason to looksmax in my opinion is just if you actually want to have a girlfriend in the future, because drastic times call for drastic measures. However, you should never let your looks (or lack thereof) affect your happiness negatively, though this is quite hard for most people.
 
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Tbh that's not very accurate. Look how the browridge "grows" (because the line is further back in the after, making the jaws seem like they moved more)
The browridge did grow, because the changed masticatory forces encouraged it to adapt.
 
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Rotation contributes more to that than anything. Frontal profile changes in midfacial portions are affected by how much space the lips take up (from recession to not recessed). Now imagine you also rotated the maxilla and mandible upwards AND the maxilla is taking up more forward space. It won't be as apparent from side profile, but midface will tighten from an illusory perspective and it's noticeable.
 
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No idea, but seems like the most likely explanation.

i guess the brow ridge projection, ramus change (usually bsso cuts are in front of it), and slight skull/postural change could be from having 'fixed' mastication (impaction would mean that the patient initially had lip incompetency and an unstable bite)?
 
The browridge did grow, because the changed masticatory forces encouraged it to adapt.
No, they moved the line back lmao. Look how the nose is further forward in the before pic. The nose doesn't shrink after jaw surgery, just the jaws come forward and make it appear smaller. Also the chewing and browridge link makes no sense
 
Rotation contributes more to that than anything. Frontal profile changes in midfacial portions are affected by how much space the lips take up (from recession to not recessed). Now imagine you also rotated the maxilla and mandible upwards AND the maxilla is taking up more forward space. It won't be as apparent from side profile, but midface will tighten from an illusory perspective and it's noticeable.
Ik, but what rotates the maxilla?
 
The surgeon lol
Most jaw surgery is just forward movement. so if ur downward grown, you will still be downward grown. For ccw rotation with jaw surgery, you would need to do what is in the OP pic, as well as moving maxilla forward
 
Most jaw surgery is just forward movement. so if ur downward grown, you will still be downward grown. For ccw rotation with jaw surgery, you would need to do what is in the OP pic, as well as moving maxilla forward
Nvm, u would have to cut it so that a taller amount is cut at the front and it progressively shortens to a tiny amount cut at the back. Allowing the maxilla below the cut to swing forward. Plus also move the maxilla forward (only the cut part with jaw surgery) @MedMaxxing
 
No, they moved the line back lmao. Look how the nose is further forward in the before pic. The nose doesn't shrink after jaw surgery, just the jaws come forward and make it appear smaller. Also the chewing and browridge link makes no sense
Implying the nose would stay put while the mid-face is surgically moved. The relationship between the nose and the browridge changes between the pictures in any case.
 
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Most jaw surgery is just forward movement. so if ur downward grown, you will still be downward grown. For ccw rotation with jaw surgery, you would need to do what is in the OP pic, as well as moving maxilla forward

I was specifically talking about rotation. Impaction is not always needed (but it is in larger movements). That's likely what I am getting tbh.
 
Implying the nose would stay put while the mid-face is surgically moved. The relationship between the nose and the browridge changes between the pictures in any case.

So theoretically if I got a high LF1 (to offset the midface imbalance), would that even do anything to my browridge? I already am well versed in nasal base changes.
 
So theoretically if I got a high LF1 (to offset the midface imbalance), would that even do anything to my browridge? I already am well versed in nasal base changes.
Not inherently, but changing the position of occlusion could eventually lead to structural adaptations higher up in the face, given that sufficient mechanical stimulation is provided.
 
Not inherently, but changing the position of occlusion could eventually lead to structural adaptions higher up in the face, given that sufficien mechanical stimulation is provided.

I plan on potentially getting ZSO with it too (if the discount applies with the surgeon for multiple procedures in one) so this might work.
 
I plan on potentially getting ZSO with it too (if the discount applies with the surgeon for multiple procedures in one) so this might work.
It won't. Ur browridge won't change lol. That's determined solely by genetics and hormones
 
It won't. Ur browridge won't change lol. That's determined solely by genetics and hormones

I've definitely read that too. RIP for me. My browridge is actually decent but it could be better. I probably had the worst diet for hormonal profile growing up tbh. It's a meme to think about.
 
I've definitely read that too. RIP for me. My browridge is actually decent but it could be better. I probably had the worst diet for hormonal profile growing up tbh. It's a meme to think about.
Oh well, cant change that now. Tbh browridge doesnt matter that much
 
Oh well, cant change that now. Tbh browridge doesnt matter that much

I do think it is overstated. Also, lateral projection of zygos is far more important than overall zygoma IMO. Massively forward grown cheekbones are obviously good but are not needed to be "Chad" or just GL.
 
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there's also the soft tissue factor. moving the maxilla upwards won't necessarily mean that the soft tissue on top of it will move along with it

Thats why you move it forward too.
 
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