Surgeon Celal Candirli

[Deleted member 91663]

How is someone that spent years in residency incapable of doing the surgeries they were trained for, without an amateur implant designer who took a udemy course on AutoCAD?

If he's shit without Giant, then he's shit with him, because he's the one doing all the cutting.

How about don't go to Turkish back alley clinics to get your face rearranged at all?

Technically, as a licensed maxillofacial surgeon, Celal should be able to perform higher level osteotomies and that includes extensive pre-surgical planning.

Of course, few surgeons actually do LF2/3 except on maybe a few cadavers during their residency or in cases of severe facial trauma/deformities.

I imagine the patients that use Celal expressly say they want Giant doing the planning.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Goat for posting these, read every single word.

I knew something was off with that fucker.

I hope things resolve for the better.

I always felt something off with his promises that he always disobeyed, if you remember he made a promise of him making a website with results few years ago, he never did.

 

[Deleted member 25705]

Well, it isn't a easy surgery after all, people really think that even a normal bimax is risk free, when in reality it is also very risky.

I feel bad for people who actually believed him.

People make bimax seem so simple, like getting a vaccine and strolling about the rest of your day.

The casual lefort 2s I see just thrown around here like it's such an easy peasy thing.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

People make bimax seem so simple, like getting a vaccine and strolling about the rest of your day.

The casual lefort 2s I see just thrown around here like it's such an easy peasy thing.

They talk about getting OBOs like going to the local 7-eleven too.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

People make bimax seem so simple, like getting a vaccine and strolling about the rest of your day.

The casual lefort 2s I see just thrown around here like it's such an easy peasy thing.

I wish they would actually joke about it, but after seeing people actually getting it, i am actually starting to see that the memes few years ago are coming to life.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

I wish they would actually joke about it, but after seeing people actually getting it, i am actually starting to see that the memes few years ago are coming to life.

A lot of it will hinge on how Clavicular's result turns out I think.
If Liam can't produce a resounding win - I think it's much harder with already good looking people - then it's not as marketable.

 

[mrriceguyreturn]

Everything you said about Giant and him barely answering your questions adds up. That's what @optimisticzoomer said as well. He was waiting ages, and no response.

Consider it a blessing @optimisticzoomer

Same here, he asked me to send my CT-scan like multiple times to answer my question even tho I sent it 3 times already

 

[Lefor3Laser]

A lot of it will hinge on how Clavicular's result turns out I think.
If Liam can't produce a resounding win - I think it's much harder with already good looking people - then it's not as marketable.

I mean, it's a high chance of it getting underwhelming and a small chance of botch, since i bet that giant cares about Clavicular for marketing.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

I mean, it's a high chance of it getting underwhelming and a small chance of botch, since i bet that giant cares about Clavicular for marketing.

I just don't see how advancing the naso-maxillary area will make him better looking.
Forward growth has been romanticised to an absurd degree on here.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong though. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Mr.Proper]

Clavicular

What's the point of him getting serious osteotomies? Potentially high risk low reward, as he isn't too bad looking objectively already. I thibk he is trolling the audience. If not, then too much psl rot.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

What's the point of him getting serious osteotomies? Potentially high risk low reward, as he isn't too bad looking objectively already. I thibk he is trolling the audience. If not, then too much psl rot.

I'm not sure whether it's make-believe or not.
Seemed quite serious since he posted a pre-surgical simulation video, clearly moving the LF2 area.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

What's the point of him getting serious osteotomies? Potentially high risk low reward, as he isn't too bad looking objectively already. I thibk he is trolling the audience. If not, then too much psl rot.

The planning seemed legit, but it may or may not be true, only time will tell us if he will actually do it.

But if he's serious, this is autism at its work.

 

[Mr.Proper]

pre-surgical simulation

@Lefor3Laser If he really does it, it's the next level autism indeed

 

[Deleted member 91663]

@Lefor3Laser If he really does it, it's the next level autism indeed

I think autism is putting it mildly.
I don't even believe in the concept of body dysmorphia but I think this would have to be a textbook example.

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Good thing finally Giant Implants case as been debunked

He's talented though, but no better than other designers working with Pagnoni, de la Cruz , Zins

 

[sham66]

How is someone that spent years in residency incapable of doing the surgeries they were trained for, without an amateur implant designer who took a udemy course on AutoCAD?

If he's shit without Giant, then he's shit with him, because he's the one doing all the cutting.

How about don't go to Turkish back alley clinics to get your face rearranged at all?

offtopic, but dyk any good canadian surgeons for bimax?

 

[pat]

Goat for posting these, read every single word.

I knew something was off with that fucker.

I hope things resolve for the better.

<3

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

As a turkish guy and med student. Dont go with Celal either Turkey. Turkey is a 3rd world fucked up country. Go Italy. I dont know Pagnoni retired but he and Ramieri are good choices mostly

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

You don’t have natural aesthetic at all you have some surgeries that are borderline body modifications like the whole elf ears thing and the tattooed eyes

That part made me crack up ngl. I also want elf aesthetics so bad!

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

How about don't go to Turkish back alley clinics to get your face rearranged at all?

As a turk myself, I don't understand those europeans and americans going to turkey for anything medical lol. When in reality they have great surgeons right next door

There are enough surgeons in the U.S. and Europe. Who are also ready to give you bigger movements if needed.

 

[Deleted member 12128]

Celal has a controversial reputation on here.
As we know, he has ostensibly agreed to perform LF2 on Clavicular.
I want users here to share everything they know about the guy.
Experiences, patient outcomes, results, testimonials etc....

what do you think will happen if he gets a decent/good result. i feel like this type of procedure will get more popular.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

what do you think will happen if he gets a decent/good result. i feel like this type of procedure will get more popular.

I assume so.

 

[Deleted member 12128]

I assume so.

tbh , i see this as a positive development. if it does work, then it opens up new methods. if not then they need to go back to the planning board and see what went wrong

 

[Deleted member 44380]

Celal started his competition against giants actually. During our consultation, I remember he was a bit annoyed of giants. He said he didn't appreciate giants miscommunication and they lost patients because of that. He also doesn't really enjoy getting orders from him. He started to work with a local Turkish implant manufacturer. He was saying he works with a implant guy called "Kuzey". He said "Kuzey" designs look more natural but I don't know how true that statement is.

They said that this guy is work of "Kuzey". He got Jawline, cheekbone, infra and chin implants.

I hope that his plumpiness is due to swelling otherwise he looks slightly ogremaxxed like "search for symetry" guy who went to Eppley

this is actually very solid considering theres swelling

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Celal started his competition against giants actually. During our consultation, I remember he was a bit annoyed of giants. He said he didn't appreciate giants miscommunication and they lost patients because of that. He also doesn't really enjoy getting orders from him. He started to work with a local Turkish implant manufacturer. He was saying he works with a implant guy called "Kuzey". He said "Kuzey" designs look more natural but I don't know how true that statement is.

They said that this guy is work of "Kuzey". He got Jawline, cheekbone, infra and chin implants.

I hope that his plumpiness is due to swelling otherwise he looks slightly ogremaxxed like "search for symetry" guy who went to Eppley

Looking forward to see if it is Celal's mistake or Giant's mistake for many botched cases.

 

[lazza]

The only surgeon I trust out of the supposed "blackpilled" posey is Ramieri and that's it.

He isn't blackpilled though, follows western medicine doctrine, and so doesn't advance the maxilla that much and focuses more on bite function and bullshit like this that are not even part of the reason a blackpilled guy decides to do surgery

 

[lazza]

Looking forward to see if it is Celal's mistake or Giant's mistake for many botched cases.

I belive it's suregon fault, cause he happened to call again a patient to correct some botched cases in which giant implants were not used.
So it's definitely a surgeon thing

 

[Aromasin]

top 5 threads of the year

 

[Deleted member 64342]

Dr. Celal just posted on ig the operation with gui, the brazilian kid but I dont know whether he did a revision or he just shared old results

 

[amaranthnanon]

Rule 1: Never trust a turk

don't EVER go to eastern country (except for westernized like Japan/Korea) for services, ESPECIALLY in muslim country. they are monkeys, there is no such thing in mind like a customer or reputation. there is simply economical and socio-cultural reasons for that

 

[Donhrdz]

i dont even know why i am writing this because you can never win an argument against a narcisist. but i will continue and try answeriing what i can.


this is the longest answer you have given me in the last two years combined. congratulations i truly wish you were like this the last two years.
so let me get this straight. i consulted with you 2 years ago with my previous jaw implant, asked for custom implants all over, you ACCEPTED the case with No qualms, poorly designed my implants citing that they look great and will look much better, even measuring out my previous jaw implant ( which you had option to leave in there as i said i love that side happy to leave it in as per zoom call), and then proceed to blame ME for your fuckup saying that what i wanted AFTER the surgery is too risky. dude i already had what i wanted in that area and you got it wrong and blamed your software for getting the measurements wrong. gee i wish i could blame my computer for real human problems in life. all this drama going on was me giving you a second chance to fix what you took from me and now youre saying what i want back in is too risky when this could have been avoided in the first place. you are in damage control because you cant put back what you took out and now blaming me for being too extreme or troublesome. wow

i gave you all the time in the world but you stalled it over and over. people already know this. i was respectful and gave you all the time in the world. your very own business partners ie the surgeon and surgical assistant have all expresed their anger towards you and your constant delays citing and i quote " we are very very angry with him, i cant believe he is doing this". to the point they even offered their very own implant designer because of your incompetance. maybe next time youre at dinner eating fortune cookies the cookie may tell you to "wake up and smell the coffee" or "get to work" . stop blaming me (the patient) for things that are your job. i had a previous implant in. you told me " dont worry your new implant will be much better contour and exactly the same size dont worry" and they wernt. heck i was happy to leave them in and work around them. my cheeks were disprotionate and gigantic and you admitted they did not look good in real life. you had no issue putting gigantic unsafe poorly designed cheeks in and then have the audacity to tell me what i want in revision which is a smaller design too risky?? its only risky because you guys botched me two years ago surgically and now to open it all up again its proving risky. why am i being blamed for decisions that a provider has to make. im a patient asking for a service and if something cant be done the patient will then accept it. dont make out that i am some difficult client wanting the extrodinary. on the contrary in saying that you even cite on you "surgery cfm" page and i quote " from ordinary to rare as rare can be". *insert unicorn emoji*

that picture of the renders shows EXACTLY what i am talking about. the jaw implant looks odd and strange. because you have constantly showed me that angle and that angle only. i asked you a million times of the dimensions and other angles and a super-imposed picture of the implants old and new so i can compare and we can deliberate what will be best on me. i was not convinced the new jaw looks good because it looked bizaar and when i asked to see other angles and exact dimensions you would leave me on read, change the subject and not continue on with the conversation. do i need to share the screenshots of the countless times i have asked this of you?! you knew exactly what you were doing and knew by deflecting it would warrant you more time to avoid what needed to be done. my point is proven again once and for all.

i put my trust in you after all you are the "expert" ( or are you?). its not up to me to decide what a design should look like. i gave you a brief and you in return you give renders and then we go back and fourth and come up with a plan. the planning phase is all i asked for for a whole year and confirmation of everything so they can be sent off to the lab when the TIME is right and safe to do so i can schedule flights surgery finances. ( cant be done in one day). Stringing me along making excuses, changing the narrative to make you look better everyday, months is not going to work.

when the emergancy room looked at me i was absolute mess, your implants were so bad i was forced to wear a mask months after the surgery and the whole time they were in. my face was destroyed from them having to remove these awful implants. my left eye was scarred and pulled down from the hideous infection that was out of ny control ( thats a whole new thread), my mid face sagged like a old man and i suffered and i never felt so ugly in my life. i couldnt just fly back 25 hours and pay more money can i. all while dr kept telling me to keep taking anti infamatorys everything is ok. yeah right!...

i even consulted with a occuloplastic surgeon soon after in turkey via zoom and they were basically like " what the hell did they do to you?" .

after the surgery in turkey i was left in bed post op for 3 days blind with no vision and not a single nurse dr or you thought to disinfect my mouth and you wonder why i had a infection which came back as ecoli YUCK. not to mention the same side being misplaced even though you bragged my implants were perfectly placed when you took a selfie in the OR with my head cut open. you apologised for that months later and said " next surgery i will wash your mouth out myself" . all you had to do was commit to your end of the deal and give me some HOPE after feeling so ugly and forgotten about. i lost trust in you after this but because i invested so much money into this i had to stick with you to fix it. after my explant you turned cold on me and didnt care at all. i dont even use these kind of forums but i had to be honest about my experiance. at the end of the day patients dont want to be spending thousands and being left high and dry.

in regards to communication. the whole time felt like i was walking on eggshells. dare i say something to upset you because you would easily cancel me. and the times i did you were punish me and threaten me. so at times i was forced against my will to be nice when deep down i was so angry at how you handle things. not to mention how i had to resend the same msg a million times so i could be bumped up" to get your attention..

you messeged me two weeks ago and coincedently i was in istanbul for 48 hours. you offered to meet me on zoom ( didnt happen) and then i suggested you uber 5 minutes to come see me at the lobby of my hotel and cancelled on me. and then we changed it to the next morning you said yes. and then surprise surprise you woke up sick. dont try and tell ppl i am difficult when you confirm all these things. even after that i said " i am free all day how about we zoom?" again you left me on read and stopped replying FFS.

showing a picture of rodrigo alvez is rather insulting because we are not alike.. infact now that we are on that lets talk about prior to my surgery i had one very major request and that was request was me showing you a picture of another human ken doll justin jedlica and i quote. " PLEASE DONT MAKE MY CHEEKS LOOK LIKE THIS" you replied " dont worry we actually get taught on what NOT to do and this is one of them". and voila i looked exactly like that. and then you proceed to blame me and say " well you wanted them BOLD". Bold does not mean ugly. you feminised my face, gave me apple cheek and pushed my infraorbitals so far up my eye that i looked chinese, gained 50 pounds and constantly looked like i had alergic reaction. thats like going to a hairstylist, telling them what you want and the stylist making the client mix up the colour.
no -the patient/client pays for a service and its up to you to bring it to life.

you were being told by others to finish my case and that i am ready and to stop dragging this along and you never listened. you totally let your god complex take over. you always do. the notion that i had to wait 12-18 months may be true but you are only saying that now because you dragged this clusterfuck on for 12- 18 months and now youre trying to make yourself look better because you still havnt produced anything from my case and this narrative is proving very convenient for you..


people dont take lawsuits lightly. i was driven to do this because i had no option and i have to fight for what is right. blaming my lawsuit is a poor effort at deflecting considering all your promises and deadlines were BEFORE it. i filed this lawsuit after you stood me up in istanbul,strung me along for over 12 months with no detail or commitment to my case ( everyone knows how bad you are at communicating) while you were partying away in thailand towards the end of the year while i was on a airplane,( not to mention those holidays to japan and egypt while you were supposed to work on my case). and because of surgical errors that ofcourse some are out of your control because youre not a dr right? this whole thing was never going to happen and you were never interested. dont try and make out that you were ever going to pay for this revision and get it done. just dont. that ship has sailed. and i am glad because it would be dangerous for me to trust you, the dr and hospital again. again this is my opinion.
i gave you a chance to do these implants so i could potentially go elsewhere to a reputable dr who will look after me. that ship has clearly also sailed.

you.not taking accountability is exactly what the silent minority are going through. and i have people inboxing me who are scared to talk. i have nothing to lose anymore so i will advocate for whoever wants to listen. people certainly have a choice and the choice is ultimately theirs. i can only speak of my experiance.

yes i did ask you to create a skull implant for me to compensate for the fuck up of my original surgery and you accepted and had no issues with it. (and i appreciate that. ) you even showed me other cases you have done similar to mine.. " all will be fine, thats no problem at alll"

your views and the surgeon ( an actual surgeon) are constantly opposing and that is your problem not mine. you are not even a surgeon. ffs i had to hear it from someone else that you are still studying wtf. i am being too nice, giving something the benefit of the doubt a million times over when it was never going to happen. like i said. the writing was on the walls. i should have taken this as a red flag from the very beginning. i was dealing with a child on a computer who is only probably 27 and still studying who will never accept or hold any accountability.
when one pays so much money to a provider they are forced to stay with them because of the thousands spent.

ive even consulted with other drs and they have all confirmed that " he just takes it too far" and they will not do that on me. turning your faults onto patients is a red flag. not to mention that time you threatened to sue ME because we were wayy past the deadline you gave me all because i was repeatedly asking for my design. never in my life i have dealt with a person with such a short unhinged fuse.

are we going to talk about the fact that two weeks ago you posted on your stories of a image with someones facial implants and saying " this case was cancelled because the patient was sending sassy emails. dont do that". wow i feel sorry for that patient. let this be stern warning of how unhinged this so called provider is. imagine getting so far and getting cancelled on because how dare you question the greatest implant designer of all time. ive seen this all before, this sounds alot like " youre fired"....





good luck everyone. you will need it..

im out

DNR